I was searching out some new stuff to try and had seen this one in the past. Up popped a link to a Glock owner blowing up one pistol and then following with a second :o
Looks like it was all firearm related so is it worth a look? It makes a reference to a Double Tap 135gr back in the day that must have really of been a zinger (which they aren't now). Anyone know about that ammo back then?
http://www.glockpost.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1873
Data I have for the DT using the 135 JHP was 1600 fps. I know there were many guys that pushed to the the older published data for 800X, however that data has been changed since then.
In the Hodgdon 2012 Annual, they don't even show a load using 800x or Longshot with the 135 in 10mm. But get this in the 40S&W the show 11.5 grains of LongShot giving 1434 fps with 31,900 psi...
He pulled the bullets and measured the charges. He said they ranged from 10.2 to 10.9 grains of Hogdon. That hardly seems like a weapon related KB.
More sloppy loading from a boutique manufacturer pushing the limit.
Yes that looked like some really good highly QC'ed ammo. I do not hardly think that was a gun faliure but thats just me. I guess you could shoot a 20 gr bullet at 3000 fps if you wanted but I think I would pass. But there again thats just me. If you want a rifle buy a rifle. If you want a pistol load it past the know limits and you might have 2 of them. I sure would like to have some of those outstanding bullets that were being used. Looked like they were made from empty beer cans mixed with a few pennies.LMFAO !!! :o :o :o
Yeah, I went to the RBCD website. For some reason they don't put bthe PRESSURE generated by their rounds in their specs. And did you see the pictures of the pulled bullets in the forum you listed? Looks like NO, ZERO, NADA quality Control there. I wouldn't use them.
2420 fps muzzle velocity on their 77 grain 10mm? That's INSANE! How can you do that and keep them in SAMMI specs?
Decent support it probably would have been fine at those charges.
Never heard of the company before, after seeing the product, would never buy them.
Those charges are just the ones he pulled. I can only imagine what the charges in the ones that blew up were. :o
Quote from: Intercooler on April 07 2013 03:35:47 PM MDT
Decent support it probably would have been fine at those charges.
Yeah, but all the Glock "KABOOM!) stories out there all seem to have something to do with shooting lead reloads, not any factory made ammo. But like I said, this ammo must have some SERIOUS pressure.
Quote from: RRMan03 on April 07 2013 11:39:03 AM MDTI sure would like to have some of those outstanding bullets that were being used. Looked like they were made from empty beer cans mixed with a few pennies.LMFAO !!! :o :o :o
You took the words right out of my mouth. Friggin hilarious!
Quote from: 4949shooter on April 07 2013 06:07:22 PM MDT
Those charges are just the ones he pulled. I can only imagine what the charges in the ones that blew up were. :o
That's what I was thinking. You never know how far the charge weight ranges without pulling all of them, and on top of that you still never know because of the fired ones that blew out that couldn't be checked again ever. I'ld like to know how much of that ammo was ever sold.
I just did a Google search on them and the company still offers this load in their product lineup.
Someone pushing the limits with dangerous stuff.I read the comments,all mentioned bullets and their appearance.
Sure enough, they offer all different sorts of loads in different cartridges - http://www.rbcd.net/home.cfm (http://www.rbcd.net/home.cfm)
I like how they claim; RBCD Performance Plus - Handgun /Rifle Ammunition has the highest velocity of any commercially available ammunition, at Standard Pressure Levels (never Plus P or higher pressure levels). RBCD Performance Plus bullets are designed foremost for safety with exacting performance levels required for:
Personal Defense
Home Security
Law Enforcement
High Level VIP Protection
Hunting - Small & Large Game
That being the case, I wonder how there was ever an issue. LOL
For anyone that want's to take the gamble, they say; Ammunition may also be ordered and shipped Direct From the Factory by calling 1-877-688-5985 (no minimum purchase required).
I think I'll pass. ;D
Sissy :P
He may be a sissy, but he's an I still have all my fingers attached sissy! ;)
I haven't used their 10mm stuff but have tried their 223 and 300win mag stuff on hogs, shoot flop over pigs :P
In their testimonial section someone commented on their experience with the 10mm load from a G29 on a whitetail. The feller said it worked more efficiently than his 44 Magnum ever did.
Quote from: REDLINE on April 08 2013 11:55:54 PM MDT
In their testimonial section someone commented on their experience with the 10mm load from a G29 on a whitetail. The feller said it worked more efficiently than his 44 Magnum ever did.
Not sure if I would really trust much a testimonial that came from a manufacturer's own site. Now if somebody somewhere ELSE said they worked that good, then I would listen a bit more carefully.
If Raggedyman is okay with testing them let's do it.
The thing with these light projectiles are that they loose energy faster over distance...taking velocity readings say at 50 yards may show significant loss of velocity thus energy loss. Besides they don't appear to be very stable or aerodynamic, test would also be needed to see if the tumble or keyhole at distance. ???
I would be afraid to put my Chrony 50 yards in front of a projectile this light. Tumble could be enough at that distance to put (another) hole in my chrony.
That's why we put protection on them.
That stuff looks like absolute garbage.
But I guess the internet commandos and mall ninjas like it, so they must be making money since they're still around.
Yea this is one it looks like that won't make the rounds of testing.
I would be interested in testing it if there was some way to know whether these rounds are within acceptable pressure limits. I'm sure they won't penetrate very deeply at all but there's one way to know for sure. If the company's velocity figures are to be believed, it might actually be able to penetrate soft body armor. I have a hard time believing it, though. A 77 gr .223 out of a 10.5" barrel is about 2,500 fps and that's with twice the amount of powder (yes, a different kind) and twice the barrel length.
Problem is the terrible sectional density of such a light bullet that is so big in diameter. A hubcap moving 150 fps has the same energy, but it won't defeat body armor.
To defeat body armor in 10mm you are going to need a sabot round, IMHO. And that will have all kinds of it's own problems. Better off going to 9X25 and loading hot.
Quote from: Raggedyman on April 14 2013 11:09:59 AM MDTI would be interested in testing it if there was some way to know whether these rounds are within acceptable pressure limits.
On the website it says;
RBCD Performance Plus - Handgun /Rifle Ammunition has the highest velocity of any commercially available ammunition, at Standard Pressure Levels (never Plus P or higher pressure levels). RBCD Performance Plus bullets are designed foremost for safety with exacting performance levels required for:
Personal Defense
Home Security
Law Enforcement
High Level VIP Protection
Hunting - Small & Large Game
And the Extreme Shock guys told us that air marshals use their boolits.
I'm just worried because the thread started with Glocks blowing up. If there were a larger body of knowledge about these I'd feel better. I'll probably eventually talk myself into it, though.
I believe there's intelligence behind your caution. Do you have an aftermarket barrel with better case support for your Glock? If so I wouldn't think it so big of a deal.
I shoot a polymer frame Witness so I'm more worried about slide cracking than chamber support.
My bad. Was thinking you used a G20.
No, my bad for not having a G20SF yet. :-[
That 77 gr bullet kinda looks like a Hawk Bullet OR he swags his own bullets ,very possible.
Sean