I haven't been to the doctors in forever, and plan to make a couple appointments soon.
Do you guys get asked by your providers about gun ownership? This was a hot topic years ago and I'd like to know if this is still a thing.
Florida had a law that prevented this, but it was overturned by some liberal, federal bullshit court.
The moment I see that question on a form, or being asked in person, I'll get up an leave. And I will file complaints on every level possible!
None of their business what you have one way or the other...
Some Dr. offices that don't have a "No Gun" sign, I am conceal carrying. Those that do have the signs I don't!
The only time I have heard the question asked was in an appointment for my son, an adult, about his depression. He asked that I be there to be honest and direct with his doctor about what I observed. During the visit the Doc asked if he had thoughts of self-harm or suicide and he honestly answered he did. The Doc then asked about access to guns at home. In that context I thought the question was very appropriate.
Great Doc too. I smiled, my son smiled, the Doc asked what the joke was and my son said "I am pretty sure I have access to a gun in your office - my dad almost always carries." We then had a very productive conversation about how to manage his thoughts and feelings while respecting his autonomy as an adult. And my son and I had several follow-up conversations about the topic. He had already taken steps to make it difficult to access his handguns, and had committed to himself not to take that path.
Medication changes have resolved his issues, and he is aware of the warning signs so his depression won't get as bad in the future.
The biggest downside to carrying to my own Dr. appointments is having to explain the extra 5-6 lbs of gun, holster, backup mag, and sturdy belt. It does add up.
Quote from: sqlbullet on August 19 2025 08:29:44 AM MDTThe only time I have heard the question asked was in an appointment for my son, an adult, about his depression. He asked that I be there to be honest and direct with his doctor about what I observed. During the visit the Doc asked if he had thoughts of self-harm or suicide and he honestly answered he did. The Doc then asked about access to guns at home. In that context I thought the question was very appropriate.
Great Doc too. I smiled, my son smiled, the Doc asked what the joke was and my son said "I am pretty sure I have access to a gun in your office - my dad almost always carries." We then had a very productive conversation about how to manage his thoughts and feelings while respecting his autonomy as an adult. And my son and I had several follow-up conversations about the topic. He had already taken steps to make it difficult to access his handguns, and had committed to himself not to take that path.
Medication changes have resolved his issues, and he is aware of the warning signs so his depression won't get as bad in the future.
The biggest downside to carrying to my own Dr. appointments is having to explain the extra 5-6 lbs of gun, holster, backup mag, and sturdy belt. It does add up.
While that instance was indeed decent and made sense, I don't trust the machinery behind it. Replying to that question with a "yes" will remain on your medical recorder forever.
It only takes one new law and this can be used to strip you of your rights for good. In some states, that's already in place for temporary actions.
While mental health is a big issue, people need to focus on the root causes, and not the tools used once somebody is just done with the pain.
My best buddy is a PhD. He has been in this field for 40 years, from running his own clinic to writing books, teaching at colleges and coaching professionals. We talk about the field of psychology all the time, its a passion of mine.
About 23% of all people in the US deal with ongoing mental health issues. This is literally an ongoing pandemic at this point!
The things society needs to talk about, and change, are big tech and social media. Too many are living in an unproductive online bubble, addicted to worthless systems and platforms put into place to steal and sell your data, while turning you into a product that gets spammed with commercials, and then fed with hate in order to divide for political gain.
The average attention span of those is often down to below 1 minute. Pair that with the need for instant gratification and it is no surprise that so many end up being depressed, and finally deal with anxiety too.
And the medical complex has no issues going along, because feeding somebody drugs for the rest of their lives makes MUCH more profit than fixing the root causes.
So yeah, a nice talk with a primary will not really help. He just keeps feeding you with drugs that will eventually have a lower impact, while introducing side effects that can be worse than the original symptoms. Just look at the fallout from Prozac alone - how many took their lives due to that drug, while it was supposed to help with depressive disorders.
My trust into the medical field in the US is very low. Most is aimed at "management" of chronic issues, and making a profit on it.
Just one reason why I avoid going to the doctors. And when I go, I tell the doctor what I need. I don't go there to answer any unrelated questions. The moment I can't establish or maintain trust, I'm gone.
Quote from: crockett on August 19 2025 11:50:22 AM MDTWhile that instance was indeed decent and made sense, I don't trust the machinery behind it. Replying to that question with a "yes" will remain on your medical recorder forever.
The reason I liked how my son's doc did it is the question wasn't "do you own" it was "do you have access". Better diagnostic, and less actual information. But I do see and agree with your point.
Quote from: crockett on August 19 2025 11:50:22 AM MDTIt only takes one new law and this can be used to strip you of your rights for good. In some states, that's already in place for temporary actions.
Our current CIC as illustrated repeatedly that you don't even need a new law. Just ignore the courts. I know I am the odd man our in the gun community, but his actions are the examples of why we say we need a second amendment - a government that ignores the rule of law. We may think the laws that are being ignored are dumb, but they are still the law. And granting the executive de-facto ability to ignore due process and established law is a very, very dangerous precedent.
And for those ruminating on a response that non-citizens aren't entitle to due process, riddle me this: without any due process how do we know they were non-citizens? Due process is about validating the claims of the authority.
Quote from: crockett on August 19 2025 11:50:22 AM MDTJust one reason why I avoid going to the doctors. And when I go, I tell the doctor what I need.
I don't disagree. The lack of trust is justified, I am sad to say.
And without that trust both you and society are compromised.
I haven't seen a primary care doctor in 22 years and just started seeing going to a new clinic on recommendation of my healthcare insurance plan for older people. I started last December. They have not specifically asked me about guns. But, they have had me answer questionnaires about depression and suicide thoughts which I never have as well as cognitive and memory testing. No issues at this clinic and the doctors seem pretty good. They never ask about guns and I don't volunteer irrelevant information either.
The reason that I stopped seeing a doctor was because I was on statins for high cholesterol and they drew blood every 3 months. I always had issues with needles and especially blood draws since I was a teenager. They would try to draw blood and none would come out and they would twist the needle which hurt and then after about 10 seconds my vein felt like a vacuum cleaner was trying to suck the vein out of my arm and hurt like *@$!! and I'd have to tell them to get that needle out of my arm. Then they'd want to put it back in the same arm and I'd say, no, you're going to the other arm. This would happen every time and after a year I stopped going. But at this clinic the nurse actually knows how to drawn blood and it was almost painless. Insertion of the needle was painless, but, it took about 2 minutes to draw 5 vials of blood and it got a little painful after the first minute and I could feel the needle in the vein. But, even that wasn't anywhere near as painful as the other clinic twisting the needle in the arm trying to find the vein and leaving it in till the suction started to get very painful.
Quote from: The_Shadow on August 19 2025 07:08:03 AM MDTNone of their business what you have one way or the other...
Some Dr. offices that don't have a "No Gun" sign, I am conceal carrying. Those that do have the signs I don't!
In Texas the law prohibits carry of firearms into hospitals, clinics, courts, jails, and other specified places, regardless of whether or not the location has a sign prohibiting guns. Now there are other locations (bars, malls, etc) where they do require a sign that is specified as to the wording and size of the sign to prohibit carry of firearms on those premises and equates to a trespassing warning if you are caught. Unlike the hospital and clinics locations that are specified as crimes, not simply trespassing, for entering with a gun.
Quote from: sqlbullet on August 20 2025 07:26:28 AM MDTQuote from: crockett on August 19 2025 11:50:22 AM MDTWhile that instance was indeed decent and made sense, I don't trust the machinery behind it. Replying to that question with a "yes" will remain on your medical recorder forever.
The reason I liked how my son's doc did it is the question wasn't "do you own" it was "do you have access". Better diagnostic, and less actual information. But I do see and agree with your point.
Quote from: crockett on August 19 2025 11:50:22 AM MDTIt only takes one new law and this can be used to strip you of your rights for good. In some states, that's already in place for temporary actions.
Our current CIC as illustrated repeatedly that you don't even need a new law. Just ignore the courts. I know I am the odd man our in the gun community, but his actions are the examples of why we say we need a second amendment - a government that ignores the rule of law. We may think the laws that are being ignored are dumb, but they are still the law. And granting the executive de-facto ability to ignore due process and established law is a very, very dangerous precedent.
And for those ruminating on a response that non-citizens aren't entitle to due process, riddle me this: without any due process how do we know they were non-citizens? Due process is about validating the claims of the authority.
Quote from: crockett on August 19 2025 11:50:22 AM MDTJust one reason why I avoid going to the doctors. And when I go, I tell the doctor what I need.
I don't disagree. The lack of trust is justified, I am sad to say.
And without that trust both you and society are compromised.
Illegal aliens do get due process and always have. Many of these federal District Court Judges are activist judges that are themselves violating the Constitution and have been slapped down by the Supreme Court many times. The last one being these idiot, corrupt District Court Judges issuing decisions that to affect the entire country. Such as that idiot judge in Hawaii who issued injunctions for the entire USA outside of his jurisdiction which is only applicable to the geographical area under 9th US Circuit of Appeals. Now the Supreme Court has ruled that these District Court rulings don't apply outside of their geographical areas of their District.
I started my career with I&NS and retired in 2014 and illegal aliens always got due process under the law. But, under the law not all aliens are created equal. For instance, citizens of Mexico (because it is a contiguous country) can request Voluntary Departure back to Mexico or they can request a hearing before an Immigration Judge (Removal Hearing). It is their right under the I&NA. However, an alien from a country that has Visa Waiver agreement with the US who violates his conditions of entry does not have the right to a Removal Hearing because he agreed to conditions (abdicates his rights in the US including the right to a Removal Hearing if they violate the conditions of entry) in order to receive Visa Waiver status to entry the US without the requirement of a Visa. Deportation for such a status violator is immediate deportation and no other process as he has previously waived his rights to get the Visa Waiver status. That said, we also have treaties with certain other countries where we have to notify the country's embassy or consulate in the US, whenever we arrest any citizens of that country as do they for our citizens. I've made plenty of those notifications myself. I've also had to explain to some local police departments that they have to do the same if they arrest and charge a citizen of a country that is part of the treaty.
I've heard that dumb refrain that our immigration system is broken. Well, I have to say that part of it is broken and needs to be fixed. That is the refugee/asylum system which makes it easy for many illegal aliens to commit fraud like the vast majority of the illegal aliens that entered the US during the Biden Open Door policy. Somebody that understood this was Vice President Dick Cheney in the Bush administration when he made a comment about illegal aliens from Haiti that were flooding our shores and falsely making asylum claims. His comment was simply, if they are in fear for their lives and have to leave Haiti to survive, then, instead of getting onto rikety home made rafts and dangerously sailing across shark infested waters, why don't they just walk across the border into the Dominican Republic?