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General => Gunsmithing => Topic started by: Intercooler on June 25 2012 02:03:37 PM MDT

Title: For Pacapcop about my Elite Match and the guide rod versus Henning
Post by: Intercooler on June 25 2012 02:03:37 PM MDT
    I took a picture today of my guide rod channel after all the Nukes it has seen with the stock guide rod:

(http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/553227_412598492111522_886255961_n.jpg)

Can you take a picture of yours since it is brand new?

Here is the picture Henning has on his site showing the damaged area. How does it look for comparison?

(http://www.tanfoglioparts.com/images/henning/2009H081/760w/H081-42_WHY_001_crop.jpg)

I did find this loose front sight today:

(http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/545098_412597332111638_1427551919_n.jpg)
Title: Re: For Pacapcop about my Elite Match and the guide rod versus Henning
Post by: Intercooler on June 25 2012 02:08:11 PM MDT
   You may remember I lost the rear elevation screw at one point and a spring. After getting it sighted I put red loctite all over the sight in hopes of preventing again (so far so good). I did the grip screw too but not the front sight. Before the next visit the front sight will get installed with red loctite as well and it should be good to go. My last time out the Razorback had a loose rear sight preventing me from shooting it, so that will get zero'd again at the range and red loctite added to both. Only issues I have really had are loosening of components.
Title: Re: For Pacapcop about my Elite Match and the guide rod versus Henning
Post by: Intercooler on June 25 2012 02:14:14 PM MDT
    In looking at it the Match frame looks totally different than the Henning pictured unit down to having a square versus round anchor. Thoughts?
Title: Re: For Pacapcop about my Elite Match and the guide rod versus Henning
Post by: Intercooler on June 25 2012 08:53:43 PM MDT
   The Match is a large frame (they all are now) and I think what he had was a small frame. Nothing looks similar and the Hunter, etc... look even different. Please post up pictures of your Match guide-rod channels.
Title: Re: For Pacapcop about my Elite Match and the guide rod versus Henning
Post by: pacapcop on June 26 2012 06:33:01 AM MDT
emailed them out to you.
Title: Re: For Pacapcop about my Elite Match and the guide rod versus Henning
Post by: Intercooler on June 26 2012 07:05:37 AM MDT
Is it just me or does yours look totally different than mine?

(http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/552463_412975992073772_475327432_n.jpg)
(http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/563911_412975835407121_221168193_n.jpg)
Title: Re: For Pacapcop about my Elite Match and the guide rod versus Henning
Post by: pacapcop on June 26 2012 07:07:25 AM MDT
This metal damage was over the course of years.I can only imagine how much he shoots.Were shooting heavy 10's,but imagine shooting that on a level of a competitive shooter.Just some thought.
Title: Re: For Pacapcop about my Elite Match and the guide rod versus Henning
Post by: pacapcop on June 26 2012 07:11:13 AM MDT
Pics didn't turn out so good.Im sure since you been shooting yours there is goining to be some wear.Maybe you should call Henning to get his perspectve.
Title: Re: For Pacapcop about my Elite Match and the guide rod versus Henning
Post by: Intercooler on June 26 2012 02:31:54 PM MDT
   I couldn't reach Henning... however I took my Hunter apart:

(http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/311515_4251069281996_727601993_n.jpg)
(http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/548760_4251073602104_1420118135_n.jpg)
(http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/563484_4251064281871_347018748_n.jpg)
Title: Re: For Pacapcop about my Elite Match and the guide rod versus Henning
Post by: Intercooler on June 26 2012 03:11:09 PM MDT
So as you can see the hunter rod gives about 270 degrees of support and a tight fit into the channel where it is square. IMO the Henning cone rod will duplicate this (stock rod moves around easy) making it about equal with the hunter rod.  Much more surface area to distribute the load. You would have to tear the entire channel out with the Henning piece.

BTW I used a magnifying glass on my Match and I have the slightest of metal turning up in the channel. Great mod with a better spring and the block.

Title: Re: For Pacapcop about my Elite Match and the guide rod versus Henning
Post by: pacapcop on June 26 2012 10:08:19 PM MDT
The Hunter rod looks well put together.
Title: Re: For Pacapcop about my Elite Match and the guide rod versus Henning
Post by: Intercooler on June 26 2012 10:35:16 PM MDT
   Yea after looking at it versus the factory Match rod it puts it in perspective. The Henning rod for the Match will be very similar to the Hunter piece in what they do. I got Henning tonight on FB and will be ordering tomorrow.

      This mod should give my Match some additional mileage now.
Title: Re: For Pacapcop about my Elite Match and the guide rod versus Henning
Post by: Intercooler on June 27 2012 12:00:49 PM MDT
   Talked to Henning today and got ordered. These are the shock buffers he is suggesting to use which the ears need clipped to fit:

http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/pid=16387/Product/1911-AUTO-SHOK-BUFFS-reg-
Title: Re: For Pacapcop about my Elite Match and the guide rod versus Henning
Post by: Intercooler on June 28 2012 07:57:38 PM MDT
(http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/523631_414382498599788_1209788561_n.jpg)

Brand new Match channel
Title: Re: For Pacapcop about my Elite Match and the guide rod versus Henning
Post by: Intercooler on June 28 2012 08:03:08 PM MDT
Looks real similar and my little peening is magnifying glass material. With the Henning rod I think we will be Golden. Henning said one weekend he shot (don't shoot me if I give the wrong answer) I think 25k rounds. Is that even possible  :o
Title: Re: For Pacapcop about my Elite Match and the guide rod versus Henning
Post by: Intercooler on July 02 2012 04:40:35 PM MDT
Received the Henning guide rod today and buffer  8)

(http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/555518_416405441730827_204206880_n.jpg)

Stock Match guide rod left versus Henning Cone on the right
(http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/548645_416406935064011_449775479_n.jpg)

My Match channel showing anchor point in frame
(http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/532546_416413781729993_1462331284_n.jpg)

Stock Match rod in place. Pretty easy to move around and not much surface area contact
(http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/534956_416414031729968_254524212_n.jpg)

Henning Cone guide rod with a pretty snug fit utilizing the entire frame channel
(http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/552743_416414341729937_1836631395_n.jpg)

I tried with and without the buffer. I can see how it would help for sure but as Henning stated as it wears could cause hang-ups. Not for carry! Now looking at it I wonder if much of it can't be just remedied with the correct spring for the load?
Title: Re: For Pacapcop about my Elite Match and the guide rod versus Henning
Post by: Intercooler on July 02 2012 07:37:50 PM MDT
Took the buffer out already. Just working the action and the slide didn't want to go in lock-back.
Title: Re: For Pacapcop about my Elite Match and the guide rod versus Henning
Post by: Intercooler on July 02 2012 08:11:00 PM MDT
It's funtioning perfect with the 22lb. spring but the buffer in place creates an issue on lock-back. I'm just going to leave it out because I really don't think I need it. With the spring, rod and block I think it's golden!
Title: Re: For Pacapcop about my Elite Match and the guide rod versus Henning
Post by: pacapcop on July 02 2012 08:16:04 PM MDT
Well i just removed my previous comment.Your up and running.Ill try the buffer with the 18lb spring and Henning Rod just for shits and giggles.Ill be at range wed,I hope.long term ill think it help with this set up.henning shoots i think alot more than you and i combined lol.
Title: Re: For Pacapcop about my Elite Match and the guide rod versus Henning
Post by: Intercooler on July 03 2012 12:13:32 PM MDT
For sure he does. I like all the mods I have done so far to help it live. 
Title: Re: For Pacapcop about my Elite Match and the guide rod versus Henning
Post by: pacapcop on July 03 2012 03:53:13 PM MDT
Just ordered the fiber optic sight from Dawson Precision for the Match.
Title: Re: For Pacapcop about my Elite Match and the guide rod versus Henning
Post by: Intercooler on July 03 2012 03:59:09 PM MDT
Very cool! Please post some pictures and your thoughts on it when you get it on. I have the Henning on my Hunter but wondered about the Dawson and factory EAA fiber sights.
Title: Re: For Pacapcop about my Elite Match and the guide rod versus Henning
Post by: pacapcop on July 03 2012 09:52:59 PM MDT
Will do.
Title: Re: For Pacapcop about my Elite Match and the guide rod versus Henning
Post by: Intercooler on July 05 2012 03:18:09 PM MDT
Ran the Match today with the new guide rod. 100% pefect funtion as normal!