Holsters, aftermarket parts, sights, ammo, etc, etc...................... tell it all!
I'm using a stippled G20sf, pretty much stock with an extended slide release. Looking for different sights, but have not found any I like. 6" Storm Lake should be here any day now ::), (they're not real fast, and I'm impatient).It sits in a Miami Classic II, and the mags are loaded with Underwood 200gr. XTP's.
What's your huntin' rig?
G20 with stimpling. Long slide. 24lb spring. 6inch lone wolf barrel. Advantage tactical sights. Also have a rmr rm-06.
Tack driver. Shot one this fall at 65 yards in the head. I will shoot up to 100 yards at a deer with It.
ctious, welcome to the forum.
What were you shooting at 65 yards?
Let me welcome you as well Ctious.
May I take this opportunity to welcome you Hillbilly, I believe that I have not. :)
Fusion 6" Hunter - longslide 1911
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Quote from: nickE10mm on July 06 2012 10:55:50 AM MDT
Fusion 6" Hunter - longslide 1911
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What weight recoil spring do they stick in those?
Redline, they ship the pistol with a 20lb spring and also include an extra 20, 22 and 24lb spring. I've found I like the 20lb spring for most everything but 22 isn't out of the question. The pistol handles better overall with the 20lb spring. Shoots flatter and doesn't hammer the lower barrel feet on the RETURN back to battery nearly as bad as if you are using a heavier spring. I don't worry too much about rearward slide battering as the frame abutement is actually DESIGNED for recoil here.... whereas the barrel feet and lugs are not.
nickE10mm, that's pretty cool of the manufacturer to send an assortment of spring weights.
What is the maximum COL the magazine for the Fusion can handle? With Glock I believe 1.270" is pretty much tops.
Sorry. A deer a buck that dressed out at 210 lbs
It's all good. Glad to see you again here!
Going hog hunting this weekend with the STI 10 MM shooting 215 gr WFNGC at 1230 fps and a TC G2 -8MM GNR pistol . If the hogs get close enough I will pop them with the STI. if not the TC pistol will do the trick.
Sean
I have three... Two Deltas first a STD blued with a Beavertail, FL Guide rod, trigger and Wollfe springs.
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The second is another Delta this one a match Target, also with a beavertail and FL guide rod. (Sorry no pic)
The last and new favorite, a Glock 20.
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I ordered a KKM 6" 10MM barrel and while waiting came across a good deal on a LW 5.5" ported barrel so I grabbed it too. The gun now wears TFO sites a FL SS Guide rod, Wolffe springs and 3.5# Connector and .25 trigger job. The gun will shoot sub 2" at 50 yards with everything I have loaded for it!
CW
Quote from: 475/480 on July 16 2012 02:13:39 PM MDT
Going hog hunting this weekend with the STI 10 MM shooting 215 gr WFNGC at 1230 fps and a TC G2 -8MM GNR pistol . If the hogs get close enough I will pop them with the STI. if not the TC pistol will do the trick.
Sean
How did the hunt go? Get any pics to share?
CW
Any more opinions on hunting sights guys?
I'll taking my G20sf deer hunting this fall for the first time. Stock as of right now except for a Ghost 3.5 connector and spring kit. Most likely using Underwood 200gr XTP's. Still trying to decide on sights or maybe an RMR. Might add a 6" KKM barrel into the mix as well. Can't wait!
Sounds good to me man! I want to do this as well, when I go home to see my folks.
My rig is a mostly stock (night sights) Glock 20. I just got a CT Railmaster laser for it and can't wait to try it out on some hogs and varmints this year.
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Nice cat! Where do you live? How far was the shot? Dogs? What ammo did you use?
This particular Texas cat was caught with a leg hold trap and dispatched from about 15 yards. Ammo was CCI 200gr. Blazer TMJ. A load I have found works surprisingly well on critters, better than any other FMJ load I have tried anyway.
You aren't intentionally using FMJ for hunting, are you? I hope you'll choose a better bullet this season.
Quote from: Yondering on August 16 2012 11:50:38 AM MDT
You aren't intentionally using FMJ for hunting, are you? I hope you'll choose a better bullet this season.
You know you are right. They really suck.
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Quote from: justin10mm on August 16 2012 12:14:28 PM MDT
Quote from: Yondering on August 16 2012 11:50:38 AM MDT
You aren't intentionally using FMJ for hunting, are you? I hope you'll choose a better bullet this season.
You know you are right. They really suck.
Seriously, you should consider more appropriate bullets if you're going for larger game as you indicated above. Just because FMJ works on snakes and foxes (where a 22 LR would work just as well) doesn't mean they are good for big game like deer and hogs. As a hunter, I believe you owe it to the animal you're hunting to make a quick kill as best you can.
Besides, why wouldn't you choose something better than FMJ?
^agreed.
I have smoked yotes out to 100yds with my G19 115gr. FMJ's.
Why do you think hard cast bullets work so well at killing? Its surely not because they expand.
It is the large flat nosed profile with sharp shoulders that rip flesh and cut arteries. A copper jacked flat nose does just as good a job at this as a hard cast lead bullet of the same profile. If you notice, 200gr. Blazers have a fairly large flat point with relatively sharp shoulders. In my experience they dispatch small game and varmints well enough. Would I intentionally use this load for big game? Probably not because the velocity is on the mild side although they would work in a pinch.
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On a side note this reminded me of an episode I saw of I think Alaskan State Troopers or something similar. They went on a call about a man that shot and killed two moose in his yard that were attacking his dog. They showed the gun he used, a Glock 20, and loaded in the magazine were aluminum cased Blazers!
I'll stick with my XTP's for large game. But for stinky old yotes, I don't feel bad about shooting them in their guts with JHP.
Quote from: justin10mm on August 16 2012 08:13:35 PM MDT
It is the large flat nosed profile with sharp shoulders that rip flesh and cut arteries. A copper jacked flat nose does just as good a job at this as a hard cast lead bullet of the same profile.
No, FMJ does not do just as good a job as a hard cast lead bullet. You're fooling yourself if you think so. Have you ever done any testing and recovered the bullets? I am a big fan of hard cast flat nose bullets, but not FMJ.
You also don't understand why hard cast flat nose bullets work. They don't "rip flesh and cut arteries". The flat nose (which does not deform on impact, as a FMJ does) creates a lateral or radial pressure that does some tissue damage, and it punches out a deep round hole along the bullets path. FMJ's have more tendency to slip through, without causing as much damage.
The pictures in post #25 of this thread might help you visualize what happens: http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1407573 (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1407573)
What Yondering said.
Also, hard-cast lead in hunting terms usually means 16:1 or 20:1 or 50/50 WW/Pure lead. All of these are going to have a BHN in the neighborhood of 9-12, and all of them will be quite malleable. At hunting velocities, these bullets with a wide metplat will expand a little, and penetrate very deep.
If holding bullets under a stream of water is the extent of your field experience with hunting bullets you are fooling your self.
All I know for sure is what I have experienced first hand in the field with living breathing targets. What I know is Blazer flat nose TMJs kill quicker than other 10mm FMJ rounded nose bullets I have used. You can draw your own conclusions about why that is.
Quote from: justin10mm on August 17 2012 02:19:01 PM MDT
What I know is Blazer flat nose TMJs kill quicker than other 10mm FMJ rounded nose bullets I have used.
No kidding? Where did you find round nose 10mm FMJ anyway? ::)
Once again, why are you using FMJ for hunting?
You obviously missed the point with the pictures. I thought maybe a visual demonstration would be helpful.
QuoteOnce again, why are you using FMJ for hunting?
Because they are cheap, they are accurate in my gun, they work well and most of all because I can.
I didn't miss the pics, they were very informative. If I ever start hunting kitchen sinks I'll refer back to them.
From reading this thread, it is fairly obvious that Justin is using the 200 rain Blazers to dispatch game that has been caught in traps. There is a difference between dispatching a trapped, wounded animal and hunting a free animal, which you would want to stop and recover without having to track an animal that you might lose. Correct me if I am wrong, Justin.
Why not use FMJ rounds for dispatching trapped or wounded animals? The Blazers are cheaper and they seem to be getting the job done for him.
The bit about the traps is not obvious to me. Maybe I'm missing something? Sounds to me like he's hunting with FMJ's "because they are cheap". I don't have much respect for that.
Using FMJ's for trapped animals, to avoid pelt damage, might be different, I suppose, but he didn't say that.
He tells us here he used his G20 to dispatch the trapped bobcat pictured prior:
Quote from: justin10mm on August 16 2012 09:33:49 AM MDT
This particular Texas cat was caught with a leg hold trap and dispatched from about 15 yards. Ammo was CCI 200gr. Blazer TMJ. A load I have found works surprisingly well on critters, better than any other FMJ load I have tried anyway.
Then here he speaks of dispatching small game and varmints. He further states he would not use the FMJ rounds on big game.
Quote from: justin10mm on August 16 2012 08:13:35 PM MDT
Why do you think hard cast bullets work so well at killing? Its surely not because they expand.
It is the large flat nosed profile with sharp shoulders that rip flesh and cut arteries. A copper jacked flat nose does just as good a job at this as a hard cast lead bullet of the same profile. If you notice, 200gr. Blazers have a fairly large flat point with relatively sharp shoulders. In my experience they dispatch small game and varmints well enough. Would I intentionally use this load for big game? Probably not because the velocity is on the mild side although they would work in a pinch.
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On a side note this reminded me of an episode I saw of I think Alaskan State Troopers or something similar. They went on a call about a man that shot and killed two moose in his yard that were attacking his dog. They showed the gun he used, a Glock 20, and loaded in the magazine were aluminum cased Blazers!
I could be wrong, though I think we could cut him a little slack.
I didn't make this post to start any kind of argument. I was just contributing to the hunting rig theme. If someone doesn't like my ammunition choice that is their problem not mine.
I'd like to see some evidence of other posters first hand hunting experience with the 10mm cartridge. I've posted what few pics I have but have not seen any from those that have such a seemingly strong opinion about what bullets work or don't work. Looking at my notes I have dispatched/killed with the 10mm 16 coyotes, 7 bobcats, several coons, 1 fox, 1 hog, 1 deer, several squirrels, many rabbits, a few skunks and a few other odds and ends that I can't think of right now.
The gauntlet has been thrown down, put up or shut up. :-*
Quote from: 4949shooter on September 05 2012 11:29:05 AM MDT
He further states he would not use the FMJ rounds on big game.
I read that the other way; looks like he would use them, if they went a little faster. Not only is this unethical, but clearly illegal in most states, and for good reason.
It's the thought process of using the cheapest bullet you can get away with, that I take issue with. It's hard to respect a decision that counts a dollar or two in your pocket as more important that ethical hunting. I have no problem with it if that's all you had available, or was all you could get. I don't think that's the case here.
I tend to agree with Yondering on this. There is a reason for a myriad of text books on terminal performance, why every reloading magazine I buy has articles on the subject and why most states require some kind of expanding ammunition for hunting. Expanding bullets kill faster and with less suffering than "ball" ammo.
I don't have a hunting pedigree to flaunt. I don't really enjoy hunting. I grew up butchering cows on the farm and have dispatched a more than I can remember with a simple 22 LR shooting a lowly 40 grain high velocity slug. One shot per cow everytime. I remember one busy day that started with four shots yielding four downed yearling steers.
By the above logic, that simple Winchester 22 single shot should really be about all I need for any game up to about 1,000 lbs in North America.
Justin, we aren't picking on you. Hunting with non-expanding ball ammunition is considered by the hunting community to be unethical and in most states is illegal. We are offering our comments by way of education, not to troll you or belittle you.
And, Yondering gives me my lumps all the time on a variety of topics ;D Keeps me on my toes.
No doubt there is intelligence in choosing the right bullet for the task at hand. BUT, to be nitpicky about what bullet design is used from a handgun is as much of a joke as arguing a handgun shouldn't be used for hunting at all when shotguns and rifles are available, if one really wants to get down to brass tacs.
It's one thing to shun someone for using 223 on deer which many thousands of hunters do every year (that in my book is a complete joke, I don't give a you-know-what what bullet is used in 223, as a 223 is not a decent deer cartridge, period). But as for 10mm 200gr FMJ Blazer? Not so big of a deal unless you're going to also shun folks away from any hard cast lead load.
Personally, as far as the 200gr Blazer ammo goes, I'ld be embarrassed to say I use it at all outside of plinking. May as well use a 40S&W at that point. 200gr Blazer ammo is nothing more than an embarrassment to 10mm anyway. Either way, nothing wrong with using 200gr Blazer ammo for dispatching animals in traps, or for hunting in general, the likes of deer and stuff.
Quote from: REDLINE on September 05 2012 09:56:46 PM MDT
But as for 10mm 200gr FMJ Blazer? Not so big of a deal unless you're going to also shun folks away from any hard cast lead load.
Cast hunting bullets do not perform the same way as FMJ. Thinking the two are the same is a common mistake from those who don't understand the concept behind a flat nose hunting bullet.
Quote from: Yondering on September 06 2012 10:51:43 AM MDT
Cast hunting bullets do not perform the same way as FMJ. Thinking the two are the same is a common mistake from those who don't understand the concept behind a flat nose hunting bullet.
Not to mention a bullet cast from 30:1 or 20:1 or even 16:1 is not ball ammo because it will expand. I think many of the original hollow-point designs were to try to mimic the terminal ballistics seen in a "hard-cast flat nose" bullet of these alloys.
Modern design has given us some incredible JHP designs, but a WFN from 16:1 is still a very devastating, expanding, deep penetrating bullet design.
Quote from: Yondering on September 05 2012 03:14:22 PM MDT
Quote from: 4949shooter on September 05 2012 11:29:05 AM MDT
He further states he would not use the FMJ rounds on big game.
I read that the other way; looks like he would use them, if they went a little faster. Not only is this unethical, but clearly illegal in most states, and for good reason.
It's the thought process of using the cheapest bullet you can get away with, that I take issue with. It's hard to respect a decision that counts a dollar or two in your pocket as more important that ethical hunting. I have no problem with it if that's all you had available, or was all you could get. I don't think that's the case here.
I asked Justin to correct me if I was wrong concerning his use of the Blazer rounds. So far he hasn't.
I think we can all agree there is a difference between a hunting situation and the ethical dispatching of trapped or wounded animals.
QuoteNot only is this unethical, but clearly illegal in most states
Ethics are like arss holes. Not illegal in my state.
To 4949shooter just to clarify in the past I have used blazers on both trapped and free roaming critters.
talking points
*CCI 200gr. Blazers are listed as having the same muzzle velocity as Hornady 200gr. XTPs
*A good
hard cast bullet should ideally
not expand/deform, expansion reduces the HC's one strong point "penetration"
Quote from: Yondering on September 06 2012 10:51:43 AM MDT
Cast hunting bullets do not perform the same way as FMJ. Thinking the two are the same is a common mistake from those who don't understand the concept behind a flat nose hunting bullet.
Sure, to a degree. By the same token, to suggest all variations of cast flat nose hunting bullets perform the same would be just as much of a mistake.
Quote from: justin10mm on September 06 2012 02:39:45 PM MDT
To 4949shooter just to clarify in the past I have used blazers on both trapped and free roaming critters.
Thanks for elaborating Justin.
I stand corrected.
Quote from: REDLINE on September 06 2012 03:10:29 PM MDT
Quote from: Yondering on September 06 2012 10:51:43 AM MDT
Cast hunting bullets do not perform the same way as FMJ. Thinking the two are the same is a common mistake from those who don't understand the concept behind a flat nose hunting bullet.
Sure, to a degree. By the same token, to suggest all variations of cast flat nose hunting bullets perform the same would be just as much of a mistake.
You're absolutely correct, there are lots of variables to play with in casting your own, to produce a bullet that works exactly as you intend. There are also plenty of cast bullets that are not good for hunting, that will perform very much like an FMJ. The comparison here though is FMJ vs a correctly designed cast hunting bullet, whether that's a hard non-deforming wide flat nose, or some sort of deforming design.
The idea that a "hard cast" hunting bullet doesn't/shouldn't deform is overly simplified; the range between fragmentation and non-deforming is infinitely variable with cast bullets, you can make them do whatever fits the intended use.
There's no reason a cast flat nose hunting bullet has to be non-deforming for deer or smaller animals. It's just a matter of balancing penetration vs expansion and tissue damage.
Quote from: Yondering on September 06 2012 05:22:43 PM MDT
Quote from: REDLINE on September 06 2012 03:10:29 PM MDT
Quote from: Yondering on September 06 2012 10:51:43 AM MDT
Cast hunting bullets do not perform the same way as FMJ. Thinking the two are the same is a common mistake from those who don't understand the concept behind a flat nose hunting bullet.
Sure, to a degree. By the same token, to suggest all variations of cast flat nose hunting bullets perform the same would be just as much of a mistake.
You're absolutely correct, there are lots of variables to play with in casting your own, to produce a bullet that works exactly as you intend. There are also plenty of cast bullets that are not good for hunting, that will perform very much like an FMJ. The comparison here though is FMJ vs a correctly designed cast hunting bullet, whether that's a hard non-deforming wide flat nose, or some sort of deforming design.
The idea that a "hard cast" hunting bullet doesn't/shouldn't deform is overly simplified; the range between fragmentation and non-deforming is infinitely variable with cast bullets, you can make them do whatever fits the intended use.
There's no reason a cast flat nose hunting bullet has to be non-deforming for deer or smaller animals. It's just a matter of balancing penetration vs expansion and tissue damage.
Agreed.
Fred Eichler took a lot of heat last year for saying he hunted coyotes with .223 fmj rounds. I don't agree with using fmj on coyotes, but a shot through the lungs will kill a coyote just as dead as a Nosler ballistic tip. The difference being that the coyote will in all probability run off and die somewhere unrecovered.
Whoever Fred was, he deserved to take some heat for that. I've heard that stupid expression too - "It kills them just as dead". The difference being the time it takes the animal to die, and the amount of time it suffers. I look at it this way - if you were to be shot and killed, which would you prefer, "Bang-flop" or "bleeding and screaming"?
Like I said, I personally don't agree with using fmj. But really, the only difference is the animal may not be recoverable. It's no different than bow hunting. There is no hydrostatic shock associated with an arrow hit. The animal runs and dies elsewhere. The only deer I ever shot with an arrow that dropped immediately was one I hit in the spine with a shot fired from a treestand. Same thing with fmj. A shot through the heart or lungs will kill it. You just may not find it.
Dead is dead.
Quote from: Yondering on September 07 2012 12:21:52 PM MDT
Whoever Fred was, he deserved to take some heat for that. I've heard that stupid expression too - "It kills them just as dead". The difference being the time it takes the animal to die, and the amount of time it suffers. I look at it this way - if you were to be shot and killed, which would you prefer, "Bang-flop" or "bleeding and screaming"?
You are confusing dropping an animal with hydrostatic shock with killing an animal. In police work, we use hollowpoints, not because they "kill" better, but because they have a greater capacity to stop an assailant. The Texas DPS Highway Patrol had used .45 pistols for a while. The .45 was killing suspects, but the suspects would run off and die, or they would have the ability to fight back. Then they switched to the .357 Sig round, which had a better ability to drop an attacker quickly due to hydrostatic shock. The perps hit with .45's bled out and died. But if they aren't stopped quickly, the felons can fight back and injure police officers.
So getting back to your question, if I am in a gun fight and I am shot and "bleeding and screaming," I will have the ability to fight back.
Quote from: 4949shooter on September 07 2012 12:52:27 PM MDT
You are confusing dropping an animal with hydrostatic shock with killing an animal.
I'm not confusing anything, but good job trying to confuse the point. It sounds like the ethics of getting the most humane kill possible don't matter to you either? Recovering the animal is a secondary concern, IMO, although it follows hand-in-hand with a clean kill. I still want a clean fast kill even if it's just varmints that I don't care to recover. By clean kill I mean destroying important vitals so the animal dies quickly, instead of running off and dying at some later time. The point of the discussion here is that FMJ bullets are not the best or most efficient way to accomplish this.
BTW "Hydrostatic shock" is a dumb term, coined by someone who thought it sounded cool didn't know what the word meant. Hydro refers to fluid, static of course means "still", or not in motion, the opposite of dynamic. Doesn't have a whole lot to do with what happens during a projectile impact. "Shock" is real, but it isn't static.
Relax there big guy.
I agree that expanding bullets should be used for hunting. But yes, you are confusing the two. The only thing that makes it ethical about kiling an animal on the spot is recovery of the meat and fur. Otherwise, fmj bullets WILL kill with a carefully placed shot. Either way the animal is dead.
I threw the bait out there and you took it hook, line, and sinker. I was playing devils advocate.
"Hydrostatic Shock" is the correct and proper term. The term "static" is not referring to the tissue or the projectile, but the process of hydraulic transfer of wave energy. The fluid (hydro) doesn't move (static). The shock wave travels through the fluid. It's a "hand-off" of energy at a molecular level. While after a shot, the tissues, solids and fluids do appear to have moved (no longer "static"), such as in a wound channel, this occurred long after the hydrostatic shock has already came and went. The affect of hydrostatic shock in itself will stop/kill an animal, if the affect is ideally located and of enough energy. The "mush" result is an example of the affect. The shock energy will actually break molecular cohesion.
The same principal has been sinking submarines for a hundred years.
Wow I joined just so I could tell you guys that you are blowing this topic way out of proportion here.
The guy obviously uses this load on small game and it is very effective for intended purpose. Hence the pictures of taken game.
Reading some of this you would think the WFN of which I have taken Elk size game with is the most ethical bullet to hunt with. Good to know Elmer Keith stills lives in some of you. Ethics is more than just bullet selection it includes the skill and to get close and the skill to be able to shoot well enough to disrupt the vital tissue to the degree that damage is not only temporary but permanent and it takes the life out of a critter. I would dare say not one person on here could live up to the standard to have never taken a shot that was not 100% guarantee to dispatch the critter cleanly and quickly. But to judge this guy (who I think is messing with some of you) (and for good reason I might add) because he uses that ammo to dispatch some critters is judgmental and really arrogant to say the least.
So, wider the meplat the more effective, because of the temporary disruption of critical tissue? Well in that case a hard cast wadcutter should be stellar.......................right? .............Well not if you hit that animal in the leg. So what's more unethical...................poor bullet choice or not practicing enough or not getting close enough to guarantee shot placement?
See some the posts are ridiculous to say the least calm down take breath and give the guy his due he has taken some really nice animals with 10mm the pics are great proof and he gets his due from me "nice shooting and nice critters". I could care less if you used longbow and field tips nice shooting and great job.
Great, now they are going to accuse me of creating a fake second account so it looks like I have someone on my side. 8)
If I had some Blazers on hand I'd go shoot some more critters and post the pics just to salt the wound a little more. ;D
He he thats funny ;D maybe not on any side just looking at this the way I read it not putting a bunch of emotion and unreasonable computer persona behind it.
Funny people not seeing each other face to face to read the faces and emotion or roll eyes really get outta hand on some of the dumbest things on the net. "Nice critters and nice shooting" from NE Wisconsin (a long ways from TX).
I'm not sure how my replies came across as blowing this out of proportion, or emotional, or "unreasonable computer persona". I saw it as just a discussion on using what's cheapest vs what's best. Different priorities for different people, I guess.
Well from the outside looking in now from inside looking out.
It was not just a "discussion" you went on the "attack" not just offering your opinion but thrusting it upon everyone almost as to show us all how much you know about hunting with lead bullets and the results of using good hard cast bullet. The poor guy was messing with ya the more you took the bait the more he messed with ya. He said little as to what you were eluding too until you cornered him. There is little question in my mind that you are knowledgeable and Justin10mm is just as knswledgable about what works for him in the application he used those bullets in. You came are across judgmental and condescending in your posts. The man was just showing off his success and the ammo he used for that success. He did not deserve to get a lecture on ethics and or what you consider ethical bullets to use to despatch critters or for hunting. The persona comment comes from the fact that you will not let it go.
So I just could not take it anymore and was a lurker till I just could not sit back and watch you continue. Sorry for being harsh but that's how I saw it.
Now I say we get back to the topic that is hunting with the 10mm.
I like the 180 grain XTP loaded over a dose of Longshot ignited with Federal Large Pistol Mag Primer my shots are held to about 50-60 yards with the 10mm.
I am going to do some testing with the SD Barnes Solid Copper HP out of the 10mm at high velocity to see how it does just cause I like to play with that sort of stuff. I also am going to try some heavy for caliber Hard WFN cast bullets to see how they feed and how they act out of my rig. I once had a 475 mould made to shoot full wad cutters still have the mould I think I would load those to about 700 FPS out of my 475 Linebaugh a really fun load but they would shoot the head clean off a chipmunk that needed dispatching.
Or maybe.....
Yondering and Justin were baiting Ramjet into finally joining the forum :P
If I came across as condescending to justin10mm, I apologize. We'll just agree to disagree, and leave it at that.
4949shooter, if I'd realized you were just baiting me for a response, I wouldn't have wasted my time replying to you. You resurrected a discussion that had been over for a while, so I thought you were serious. I'll keep it in mind in the future.
I'll let it go now.
It takes a big man to apologize, Yondering, especially in public.
I will apologize to you for baiting you. I could have handled things differently.
No hard feelings.
Now were did I put that salt shaker? :P
Quote from: sqlbullet on September 10 2012 03:56:14 PM MDT
Or maybe.....
Yondering and Justin were baiting Ramjet into finally joining the forum :P
It worked glad I am here love the 10 and any discussions about guns and hunting and shooting.
Well i started out with a Gen 2 Glock 20 with a 6" Lone Wolf barrel. I also reduced the trigger pull, take up, and reset to my personal liking. Dropped in a SS rod and 20# spring. It is topped with XS night sights. I still have this and always take it with me as a side arm when i have the shotty.
But now i will be using this:
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cant wait!!! Nov. 15th is just around the corner!!!
OMG! :o
Were can I get one?
www.mechtechsys.com
Base unit is $350
Quad rail is $100
m4 stock adaptor is $25
This particular set up minus the Leupold, 6 position stock, and bipod was $520 to my door. Worth every penny!!!
I just looked those up, they are freaking awesome! I was not aware of any quality 10mm CCUs available. Thanks a bunch for the link.
Now I must have one.
This IS my next "toy".
I am 100% sold, I have been reading everything I can find. I am sold, its exacty what I want/need!
I looking into a dedicated frame so I can keepit a 100% funtional firearm AND have my G20..
CW
Oh boy I like that looks like fun. I wonder what velocities one could get with Longshot and a 200 Grain WFN.
A guy on youtube claimed he was gaining 200-300 feet per second over his stock Glock.
A 300 fps gain with a 200 grain bullet puts you into the same energy envelope as 223 from a 16" barrel...About 1000-1100 ft-lbs.
Impressive.
This guys results are pretty impressive. Over 2000 FPS with 135gr. JHPs.
I was debating between a 10mm MechTech and a 300 Blackout AR pistol, for a short defensive gun. Ended up getting a 300 Blackout for now; it's interesting to note that the 10mm Mechtech delivers about the same ballistics at the muzzle as the 300 Blackout from my 11" barrel. Both guns are similar size and weight too, although the AR is a little shorter and is technically a pistol.
Quote from: sqlbullet on September 28 2012 08:30:14 AM MDT
A 300 fps gain with a 200 grain bullet puts you into the same energy envelope as 223 from a 16" barrel...About 1000-1100 ft-lbs.
Impressive.
Yep, only with a whole nearly twice the size!! Last winter it was my coyote gun deluxe!! We hunt them with dogs, so my shots usually aren't very far. Under 100 yards 99% of the time. Now if i was calling in open country for them, id grab the .223
My rig for the coming season:
G20 6" KKM BBL
Sending it out for slide milling, RMR, BUIS
I am thinking of the RM06 (3.25 MOA). Any feedback on this dot size? My eyes are pretty good with glasses. Longest shot in my area would be 25 yards up to 50 yards in one unlikely spot
You will be just fine with the RMR at those ranges. Imjust switched out my Burris Fast Fire II for the RMR and I like the RMR better.
Quote from: Ramjet on October 09 2012 09:11:28 PM MDT
You will be just fine with the RMR at those ranges. Imjust switched out my Burris Fast Fire II for the RMR and I like the RMR better.
For double the cost or more I would hope so.
Quote from: edhead35 on October 01 2012 11:02:46 AM MDT
My rig for the coming season:
G20 6" KKM BBL
Sending it out for slide milling, RMR, BUIS
I am thinking of the RM06 (3.25 MOA). Any feedback on this dot size? My eyes are pretty good with glasses. Longest shot in my area would be 25 yards up to 50 yards in one unlikely spot
That is the one I have on mine. Works good .if they offered a 2 moa I would buy that. Even a 1.5 would be good. The dot is way easy to see.
My deer hunting rig this year will be my G20SF with a stainless steel guide rod and 22lb. recoil spring. I purchased a Lone Wolf 5.15" tactical barrel and some Underwood 200 grain XTP ammo.
My hunting partner is a Kimber stainless II with a burris fastfire II. Here is a few kills.
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(http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d100/coop2564/Fallow-2012.jpg)
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Good stuff! Did you use the same round for both kills?
Yes Corbon 180 sp
In your experience have the Corbon 180gr SP bullets penetrated through and through, or stayed in the animal? If they stayed in the animal, and you recovered them, what are your thoughts on how well they did or didn't expand?
They have all penetrated thru! I don't believe they expand much, probably more like shooting hard cast.
Wow. Okay. I think then it would be interesting to also test the same overall bullet design in a 165gr bullet at higher velocity and see if it would also still pass through and through and/or how much more it might expand over the 180gr current design.
Good stuff coop2564. Thanks for sharing.
coop2564, congratulations! You mentioned they passed thru....You "ventilated" them! Two hole bleed more than one! :o
Was it the hunting load that they offer?
Springfield 6" Omega, duel extractors, ramped barrel, ported and loves 170gr HCL/SWC and Hornady 200gr XTP with both loaded to the max. The gun shoots light target loads just as well as hot hog loads.
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x245/oldnavy6393/101_3244.jpg)
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x245/oldnavy6393/101_3247.jpg)
Glock 20 W/ Lone wolff barrel and comp. AS well as a Burris Fast Fire II red dot mounted to slide, Ghost 3# trigger. I shoot 180 gr Speer GDHP's loaded in Starline brass over Bluedot powder. I can take kill zone shots from my shooting sticks too 75 yds comfortably.
Glock 20
6" KKM Precision barrel
Night Sights
waiting on an Eotech MRDS! then I"ll be "Predatory" for sure!
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