http://www.theblaze.com/stories/surveillance-vid-shows-71-year-old-concealed-carry-holder-opening-fire-on-would-be-robbers/
I'd like more details about this guy, but it's none of my business. I'm curious, but respect his personal life. I'm sure some lawyer(s) or journalists (their term, not mine) will try to make him the bad guy. You won't see this in the mainstream or AARP newsletter, either.
Yep!, Civil suits will probably take the old fellow for everything he has! And the news caster said the robbers will be charged with robbery. That should have read ARMED ROBBERY with Intent to do bodily harm! Praise for the fellow for taking a stand to protect himself and family, which also protected the rest of the patrons in the establishment!
But these two criminals will probably be taken under Obama's wing as being his sons, they were saints, model citizens...they got what they deserved, if you are going to perpertrate a crime, armed robbery they deserve to be shot or killed in the act! :o
Thanks for the story!
What the other side will focus on is they were fleeing,and old timer cont to shoot.Im baseing that on vid,not calling it all fact.Florida's stand your ground law might cover that issue and concluded incident.All said and done imho,a rightious shooting and perps caught a break.Young,fast and nimble.
Quote from: pacapcop on July 17 2012 08:55:56 PM MDT
What the other side will focus on is they were fleeing,and old timer cont to shoot.Im baseing that on vid,not calling it all fact.Florida's stand your ground law might cover that issue and concluded incident.All said and done imho,a rightious shooting and perps caught a break.Young,fast and nimble.
Bad guy still had the gun. Don't want to get shot? Drop the gun. Simple. Maybe too simple. Quell the threat....Simple.
You just never know. It's so easy to think it will never happen to you. And, it probably won't. Better to prepare for the worst and hope for the best. I applaud the 71 year old youngster.
Pops cont to fire as they were out the door.Luckily,no innocent bystanders were nearby.once threat is gone you can maintain a stance.Video showed time 2152hrs.Foot traffic lite I'm sure.
Hopefully, he can articulate that he feared that they would retreat to cover and then return fire.
Equally hopefully none of us will ever (again) face a life threatening situation. But, we should all take the opportunity to pick apart what this guy did right, did wrong, and how we would need to articulate these actions in our jurisdiction to ensure law enforcement and the DA viewed them as self defense.
"I chased a couple of goons across the store shooting at them." sounds a lot worse than "I pursued the offenders until they were out of the building because I feared they may obtain concealment or cover as an opportunity and means to cause further injury."
I was impressed with his demeanor. In the video you can see him moving his chair to a clear position and then waiting until the one offender turned his back.
I am anxious to hear more details and follow how it plays out for him.
The other facts would be to consider that the perps are pack hunters, retreating to get re-enforcements or bigger gang banger guns...no one can say! If they would have dropped where they were shot there wouldn't have been no retreat for the perps.
It is what the government is trying to do to this country, instead of creating an environment of everyone has a job and works their own opertunities in life, they cater the revolving door justice system to the benefit of criminals! Oh that's how the politicians survive and Obamy may get re-elected!
How many times I've seen B\G's shot up with 9mm rounds only to walk out of hopital.
Pretty sure I read this guy was carrying a .380. This is a testimonial in my mind for Clint Smith's saying "It's big when I put it on, and it's big when I pull it out". And "It isn't supposed to be comfortable, it's supposed to be comforting."
380 or 9mm, you pretty much have to expect numerous good placement shots. If it only ends up taking one or two, great, but don't plan on it with a determined attacker, whether they are still attacking or running in the other direction. The only reason 9 is considered better than 380 is because it's capable of a few more inches of penetration depth.
This has been on quite a few of the news channels since yesterday morning. As usual, they all over-analyze the story (trial by media). One thing I noticed is they all make the same assumption: He shoots out the door, which is also where the media lawyers all stand back with a bit of hesitation. Well, when I first saw this before posting it here, I snagged the video from the site. One thing I can say for certain, is the only persons who can say he fired out the door is the shooter (and he hasn't said so, according to all the reports) and the witnesses present. So far, no one has made a statement to support either. After viewing the video, frame by frame, there is NO indication that he did, in fact, shoot at that moment. All of the previous shots show a puff of smoke, followed by a little muzzle flip. This isn't evident while he's pointing out the door. I could be wrong, but it appears he points his pistol out the door, then pulls back. No smoke. No recoil. No finger movement. No ejected case. No slide movement. I understand the video quality is quite low, but the absence of evidence is not evidence in itself. Another thing they assume, is he "could have" shot pedestrians or other non-targets outside. Well, they (the media) have no evidence of his shooting ability, the traffic outside (according to the footage, there were no pedestrians in view, or other potential targets, other than the robbers). They also don't mention at what point the BG's gave up their weapons. If he had it from beginning to end, the old guy would have been fully justified (by law) in pursuing and firing until that threat was no longer a threat. As usual the media, with one exception (the original report), have all taken their turn at trying to make him the bad guy. Go figure.
The reports did state it was a .380.
I don't care when he put down his gun. Maybe it just jammed and he is going for his backup gun now, like I would.
Now, if he puts his hands in a non-threatening position and becomes compliant with verbal commands....
But, we are on the same page. Easy to second guess everything the guy did. On the face of it though, good on this guy. Hope he survives the civil suits.
I could be wrong, but isn't part of 'Stand Your Ground Law' that there can be no civil suit after a justifiable shooting? Not living in Florida I know little of their laws.
Quote from: EdMc on July 19 2012 02:48:20 PM MDT
I could be wrong, but isn't part of 'Stand Your Ground Law' that there can be no civil suit after a justifiable shooting? Not living in Florida I know little of their laws.
I don't know, but it sounds reasonable, to me. This term "Stand Your Ground", is being abused lately, I think. I don't think it applies to an armed robbery, such as this. Self defense seems most appropriate. It wasn't an incident that escalated to deadly force. It was an armed robbery, with the robbers making demands, threatening the use of deadly force, and demonstrating the use of deadly force (smashed a screen with a baseball bat), while brandishing the means of deadly force (the gun and bat). Little else matters. Legally, any injury, damage or death would be the responsibility of the BG's, in most states. Civil liability, on the other hand, is anyone's guess. I've seen way too many civil cases that were absolutely obvious, and the ruling was different.
Quote from: DM1906 on July 19 2012 03:03:13 PM MDT
Civil liability, on the other hand, is anyone's guess. I've seen way too many civil cases that were absolutely obvious, and the ruling was different.
This. Best case scenario you have a state where the law says the loser pays the winners legal fees. Which is fine as long as you win....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stand-your-ground_law
Within the link is an explanation of Florida's law....as has been mentioned, 'explaining'/'defining' and a court ruling aren't necessarily the same. It 'seems' to say whenever you 'feel' your life is threatened........it best be a convincing argument in court.
All I know is this dude is my Hero! 8)
He has it all - Gun,Guts, and Balls!