Very different in person than I thought it would look.
(https://scontent-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/t1.0-9/1975145_672272966144072_1724687886_n.jpg)
Rated 1275 FPS/ 650 LBS
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I have tested the Atlanta Arms before (reloads). This should be the same performance, but is a new round in new Starline brass.
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Interesting Federal bullet. Almost looks like the jacket is scalloped to get some expansion with penetration.
i hope that trophy bonded goes to like .58-.62 with 18"+ penetration. I hate to say that I'm tired of seeing over expanded gold dots and XTP's in gel but I am getting tired of it. Expansion is great but penetration is final. There is a reason the classic 125gr 357 magnum semi JHP was considered a manstopper, high velocity and slight expansion led to great penetration.
(http://www.shootingtimes.com/files/2014/01/trophy_bonded_10mm.jpg)
Quote from: Intercooler on March 19 2014 03:58:23 PM MDT
Very different in person than I thought it would look.
(https://scontent-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/t1.0-9/1975145_672272966144072_1724687886_n.jpg)
Rated 1275 FPS/ 650 LBS
(https://scontent-b-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/t1.0-9/1533753_672272942810741_471013302_n.jpg)
I have tested the Atlanta Arms before (reloads). This should be the same performance, but is a new round in new Starline brass.
(https://scontent-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/t1.0-9/1958142_672273226144046_1097613155_n.jpg)
IC,
When will you be testing the Federal load?
I would like to order a few boxes but would like some real world numbers first
We have been having some real crap weather here. Snow, snow, snow and now today rain! If it isn't too bad tomorrow evening I can sneak over real fast and run these two.
Great!
where did you say you found them in stock?
Order now. Low stock!
https://www.midsouthshooterssupply.com/item.asp?sku=00129P10T1
Quote from: Intercooler on March 19 2014 06:56:04 PM MDT
Order now. Low stock!
https://www.midsouthshooterssupply.com/item.asp?sku=00129P10T1
Sure us pricey! it better be the best ammo I have ever shot for $30.00 per 20 plus shipping!
I threw on a bunch of other ammo to make it worth shipping ;)
Federal finally has a real 10mm round. Now if they could only make other 10mm rounds and a FMJ loaded the same way.
Federal 180gr JSP
EAA Limited Pro 4.75" 1286, 1275, 1276. Average = 1279 FPS/ 654 LBS. This is about perfect with the box rating. I will get brass measurements here in a little bit.
Atlanta Arms 180gr FMJ
EAA Limited Pro 4.75" 1078, 1052, 1097. Average = 1075.66 FPS/ 463 LBS
"EAA Limited Pro 4.75" 1286, 1275, 1276. Average = 1279 FPS/ 654 LBS. This is about perfect with the box rating. I will get brass measurements here in a little bit."
That's great news!
It took a long time for one of the major ammo manufacturers to finally make a real 10mm round again. Hats off to Federal!
Let's hope there is more to come..
Brass measurements .430", .429", .429".
I have to wonder if they are using the "NEW BE-86" powder that they haven't put out to the public yet? ??? Then...Maybe a textbook loading of Power Pistol or maybe Blue Dot. ::)
Now we need a penetration test. I was thinking this might be a good load for woods carry but would like some more info on expansion ect before I carry it.
Im excited! I jumped on the critical duty 10mm bandwagon early and the next week they were $5 less per 20 but this ammo looks realllllly good. It reminds of a bigger classic 125gr .357 magnum. Cant wait to see it in gel.
Got my hands on a box yesterday.
These shoot very good from an old gen 3 20 I found for a song at a local shop. These would make a good deer load but feel the hard cast is still a better option for woods carry where bears are roaming. I had no issues with the 20rds I fired. My personal opinion is these are a good start for the large ammo makers to get in the full power 10mm game.
Cool!
Curiosity is killing me...if you don't mind, what did you pay for the Gen 3?
Quote from: 4949shooter on March 23 2014 06:59:13 PM MDT
Curiosity is killing me...if you don't mind, what did you pay for the Gen 3?
If your thinking about a NIB Gen 3; best deal I'm aware of is $519 @
http://www.blucoreshootingcenter.com/p-59871-glock-20sf-10mm-fs-15rd-glock-rail.aspx
That is a good price for sure.
Edit: I think MT found a used one.
Quote from: 4949shooter on March 23 2014 06:59:13 PM MDT
Cool!
Curiosity is killing me...if you don't mind, what did you pay for the Gen 3?
Paid 350.00
Came with box, 2 15rd mags and night sites
Quote from: MT10mm on March 24 2014 01:49:13 PM MDT
Quote from: 4949shooter on March 23 2014 06:59:13 PM MDT
Cool!
Curiosity is killing me...if you don't mind, what did you pay for the Gen 3?
Paid 350.00
Came with box, 2 15rd mags and night sites
Nice deal! Well worth it.
I am staring to think the non-SF versions are better.
I was wanting an EAA like IC has but there were none to be found. I could not pass up that deal.
Please keep us posted on how it performs. If it is good, I might get one to complement my SF.
Ups left me 2 boxes of UW 220 HC today and will see how it performs with some 1200fps 220 HC.
Oh goodie, I haven't missed the tests yet :P
YES!!! Actual BOXFLAP!!!!
I'll be testing it in gelatin any day now if I can get a sitter and somebody to go to the range with me.
Quote from: Intercooler on March 20 2014 03:46:57 PM MDT
Federal finally has a real 10mm round. Now if they could only make other 10mm rounds and a FMJ loaded the same way.
Federal 180gr JSP
EAA Limited Pro 4.75" 1286, 1275, 1276. Average = 1279 FPS/ 654 LBS. This is about perfect with the box rating. I will get brass measurements here in a little bit.
Wow! Awesome! Got 2 boxes of this to try maybe on the weekend. Thanks for sharing looking forward to the gel test!!!
Just ordered a box. 8)
Like everyone everyone else; very interested in how it does in independent ballistic gel testing.
Found a link that claims 18" of penetration in gel:
http://www.fieldandstream.com/blogs/gun-nuts/2014/01/new-handgun-ammo-federal-premium-vital-shok-trophy-bonded-10mm-auto#ooid=NidWZ4ajorYYLPkTrt9ACiG7J3OKx-XK
Raggedyman; I find your video posts interesting and informative. Thanks for sharing them.
Question regarding the .40 180gr. Gold Dot fired from carbine @ approx. 1320fps you just posted (I think these results look outstanding):
You previously posted a test of a 10mm 180gr. Gold Dot fired at similar speed as above which expanded a bit more and yielded a pretty different result.
Am I missing something?
Thanks
Derp. Posted the wrong video. Sorry. Meant to post the Federal 180 gr JSP 'cause, you know, that's what the thread is about. Wups. Yes, there was a pretty substantial difference between the two. I really have no idea what caused the difference.
Federal looks similar to Underwood XTPs.
Quote from: Rojo27 on March 28 2014 09:53:15 PM MDT
Raggedyman; I find your video posts interesting and informative. Thanks for sharing them.
Question regarding the .40 180gr. Gold Dot fired from carbine @ approx. 1320fps you just posted (I think these results look outstanding):
You previously posted a test of a 10mm 180gr. Gold Dot fired at similar speed as above which expanded a bit more and yielded a pretty different result.
Am I missing something?
Thanks
I managed to post the wrong video in two different threads. Like a dumbass. I'll just copy/paste my response to Slateman from the other thread:
Those bullets came from the same box, I think, and the box says "Gold Dot" on it. I'm confident that they were both real Gold Dots and that they were both actually 180 gr. I'm also confident that the gelatin performed properly because both calibration results are well within range. Nearly ideal, really.
Sometimes bullets do weird things, which is why professional tests include at least five shots to establish an average. Some day I'll choose a few of the best performing loads from my tests and do a larger battery of tests with them to gain a statistically relevant sample size. For now, I'm inclined to believe that penetration is typically closer to the 16" mark for 180 gr Gold dots at around 1,300 fps. The earlier penetration result of 11.25" is probably an anomaly.
Quote from: Raggedyman on March 31 2014 09:26:27 AM MDT
Sometimes bullets do weird things, which is why professional tests include at least five shots to establish an average. Some day I'll choose a few of the best performing loads from my tests and do a larger battery of tests with them to gain a statistically relevant sample size. For now, I'm inclined to believe that penetration is typically closer to the 16" mark for 180 gr Gold dots at around 1,300 fps. The earlier penetration result of 11.25" is probably an anomaly.
8)
Thanks very much!
6" Hunter numbers for the Federal Trophy Bonded JHP's
EAA Hunter 6" 1412, 1381. Average = 1396.5 FPS/ 780 LBS
Quote from: 4949shooter on March 24 2014 03:27:19 PM MDT
Quote from: MT10mm on March 24 2014 01:49:13 PM MDT
Quote from: 4949shooter on March 23 2014 06:59:13 PM MDT
Cool!
Curiosity is killing me...if you don't mind, what did you pay for the Gen 3?
Paid 350.00
Came with box, 2 15rd mags and night sites
Nice deal! Well worth it.
I am staring to think the non-SF versions are better.
What makes you say that, 4949?
Quote from: Intercooler on April 01 2014 06:51:29 PM MDT
6" Hunter numbers for the Federal Trophy Bonded JHP's
EAA Hunter 6" 1412, 1381. Average = 1396.5 FPS/ 780 LBS
:o
Wow! That's awesome!
I really want an 8"-10" 10mm upper for my SBR.
Quote from: radiotom on April 01 2014 08:31:17 PM MDT
Quote from: 4949shooter on March 24 2014 03:27:19 PM MDT
Quote from: MT10mm on March 24 2014 01:49:13 PM MDT
Quote from: 4949shooter on March 23 2014 06:59:13 PM MDT
Cool!
Curiosity is killing me...if you don't mind, what did you pay for the Gen 3?
Paid 350.00
Came with box, 2 15rd mags and night sites
Nice deal! Well worth it.
I am staring to think the non-SF versions are better.
What makes you say that, 4949?
Tom, the non - SF versions have been around a long time. These guns were firing the old HOT Winchester Silvertips without an issue, as well as Norma loads, and Doubletap, when they were loaded hot. I have never hard of these issues cropping up with the Gen 3 standard version.
Methinks ( and I could be wrong) that the non-SF versions have beefier polymer frames which may flex a tiny bit less than the SF versions under recoil. I am thinking less frame flex = less issues upon firing high impulse ammo.
Just a theory, mind you, but there just may be some truth to it. Perhaps one day I will acquire a non - SF version and put my theory to the test.
Quote from: 4949shooter on April 02 2014 02:21:26 PM MDT
Quote from: radiotom on April 01 2014 08:31:17 PM MDT
Quote from: 4949shooter on March 24 2014 03:27:19 PM MDT
Quote from: MT10mm on March 24 2014 01:49:13 PM MDT
Quote from: 4949shooter on March 23 2014 06:59:13 PM MDT
Cool!
Curiosity is killing me...if you don't mind, what did you pay for the Gen 3?
Paid 350.00
Came with box, 2 15rd mags and night sites
Nice deal! Well worth it.
I am staring to think the non-SF versions are better.
What makes you say that, 4949?
Tom, the non - SF versions have been around a long time. These guns were firing the old HOT Winchester Silvertips without an issue, as well as Norma loads, and Doubletap, when they were loaded hot. I have never hard of these issues cropping up with the Gen 3 standard version.
Methinks ( and I could be wrong) that the non-SF versions have beefier polymer frames which may flex a tiny bit less than the SF versions under recoil. I am thinking less frame flex = less issues upon firing high impulse ammo.
Just a theory, mind you, but there just may be some truth to it. Perhaps one day I will acquire a non - SF version and put my theory to the test.
Have you been hearing of trouble with the SF's?
Not particularly trouble with the SF's like there has been trouble with the Gen 4's. Minor issues come into play when firing full power ammo with some shooters / guns. For example, my SF exhibited a few failures to extract with the high impulse ammo (Underwood 200 grain XTP). The fix was a 22 pound RSA. The SF may need some minor tweaking to enable it to fire full power+ ammo.
One guy on Glocktalk had trouble with his SF model 20, and ended up sending it back to Glock for a replacement. This gun apparently was a lemon though. It happens..
Quote from: Intercooler on April 01 2014 06:51:29 PM MDT
6" Hunter numbers for the Federal Trophy Bonded JHP's
EAA Hunter 6" 1412, 1381. Average = 1396.5 FPS/ 780 LBS
Wow! Must be a nice, slow powder they are using to get that much of a gain from an extra 1.5" of barrel. Good to know. Excited to try some in my Fusion longslide one of these days.
Good for you, Federal. Now we just need these bullets for handloading. ;)
Would these be over the top for home defense?
I don't think so.
16.7" in gel and .635 max expansion. Not a bad load for carry or home defense. Have some of these in my Glock right now even.
Great round, fires nicely from the Delta