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10mm Ammuntion => Reloading 10mm ammo => Topic started by: sstewart on March 19 2014 10:41:46 PM MDT

Title: Titewad powder used by anyone for 10mm or is it just too hot
Post by: sstewart on March 19 2014 10:41:46 PM MDT
I picked up some Titewad because it was there and just 18.95 for lb. I know there are recipes  for .45 & 9mm. None listed for .40 or 10mm on  Hodgdon website.   It's near top of charts on burn rate so I am cautious.
Title: Re: Titewad powder used by anyone for 10mm or is it just too hot
Post by: gandog56 on March 20 2014 06:36:05 AM MDT
Titewad is really fast burning.....maybe too fast for a bigger heavy round like a 10mm. I've seen some recipes using Titegroup, but not Titewad.
Title: Titewad powder used by anyone for 10mm or is it just too hot
Post by: sstewart on March 20 2014 07:40:26 AM MDT
I use titegroup for 10mm now. 6gr on 165 Rainer. Those are good for target practice.
I am concerned about pressure issues. 45 will work with titewad. But case volume is much larger than 10mm.
Title: Re: Titewad powder used by anyone for 10mm or is it just too hot
Post by: sqlbullet on March 20 2014 07:52:55 AM MDT
Too fast.  I can only find one reference to it with 10mm.  Apparently the guy shooting it found a second benefit.  The cartridges auto-deprimed.  (That is very bad for anyone not familiar with reloading and pressure signs).
Title: Titewad powder used by anyone for 10mm or is it just too hot
Post by: sstewart on March 20 2014 09:51:08 AM MDT
That's what I was afraid of.
Title: Re: Titewad powder used by anyone for 10mm or is it just too hot
Post by: sybo on April 27 2014 04:07:35 AM MDT
I've used Titewad and Titegroup both, no problem at the bottom end, don't go too hot though, they can spike easy.
Title: Re: Titewad powder used by anyone for 10mm or is it just too hot
Post by: The_Shadow on April 27 2014 08:26:48 AM MDT
While most powders can work at a specific charge weight, the yield may not be optimum or the cartridge and projectile weight.
That being said Titewad (being plenty fast and bulky) and Titegroup (being slow and dense) fall into this for 10mm use.
Title: Re: Titewad powder used by anyone for 10mm or is it just too hot
Post by: gandog56 on April 29 2014 06:55:32 AM MDT
Well, Titewad was designed for shotgun loads. Now while there are quite a few pistol applications using shotgun powders, (Red Dot and Blue Dot come to mind right off) I've just never seen many pistol recipes for Titewad.
Title: Titewad powder used by anyone for 10mm or is it just too hot
Post by: sstewart on April 29 2014 07:45:07 AM MDT
Anybody have a recipe for 10 mm with red dot.
Title: Re: Titewad powder used by anyone for 10mm or is it just too hot
Post by: The_Shadow on April 29 2014 09:08:59 AM MDT
I use 5.5 grains of Red Dot with the 175 gr cast.  You can find loads listed for the 40S&W and use that data, but Red Dot is a fast powder and pressure builds fast.  The powder works but is not the best suited for higher velocities, great for target.
Title: Re: Titewad powder used by anyone for 10mm or is it just too hot
Post by: gandog56 on April 30 2014 07:06:56 PM MDT
I use Blue Dot right now for my 10mm, because I managed to score a 5 pound jug of it. I've also seen Green Dot recipes, but no Red Dot.
Title: Re: Titewad powder used by anyone for 10mm or is it just too hot
Post by: Pablo on April 12 2016 08:33:34 PM MDT
I got a free 1# of Titewad. Probably will use it for .45ACP. Seems most of my good 10mm powders suck at .45ACP, so that's a good thing.
Title: Re: Titewad powder used by anyone for 10mm or is it just too hot
Post by: my_old_glock on April 13 2016 03:45:32 PM MDT


I dislike TiteWad. It has a label that looks similar to TiteGroup: It has dollar bills on the label and the word "tite." One time I loaded some cartridges with TW using TG data. I figured out I made a mistake before using them in a gun. I ended up tossing the loads in the garbage. The similarities of TG and TW labels are an accident waiting to happen.


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Title: Re: Titewad powder used by anyone for 10mm or is it just too hot
Post by: Pablo on April 13 2016 08:36:56 PM MDT
Quote from: my_old_glock on April 13 2016 03:45:32 PM MDT


I dislike TiteWad. It has a label that looks similar to TiteGroup: It has dollar bills on the label and the word "tite." One time I loaded some cartridges with TW using TG data. I figured out I made a mistake before using them in a gun. I ended up tossing the loads in the garbage. The similarities of TG and TW labels are an accident waiting to happen.


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Since I don't have any Tite Group and NEVER have two powders out, I will remain vigilant.
Title: Re: Titewad powder used by anyone for 10mm or is it just too hot
Post by: Taterhead on May 03 2016 02:04:40 PM MDT
EDIT: I removed my original post after considering the fact that guys might take advice and load Titewad in a 10mm case. Just because I might be inclined to have a go under certain circumstances doesn't mean it is a practice that should be generally followed.
Title: Re: Titewad powder used by anyone for 10mm or is it just too hot
Post by: Pablo on May 03 2016 02:21:25 PM MDT
Pretty sure I would never use Titewad with 10mm or 40SW. 45ACP?  Sure. No published loads for .25ACP OR .32ACP but that would be tempting. Only other loads I have seen published are 9mm.
Title: Re: Titewad powder used by anyone for 10mm or is it just too hot
Post by: DM1906 on May 03 2016 03:21:01 PM MDT
Quote from: Pablo on May 03 2016 02:21:25 PM MDT
Pretty sure I would never use Titewad with 10mm or 40SW. 45ACP?  Sure. No published loads for .25ACP OR .32ACP but that would be tempting. Only other loads I have seen published are 9mm.
Those would be some tiny charges. You might have to count flecks (I don't think I can measure that small). 9mm light bullet loads are barely a little bit, as it is. Never tried it for .45ACP. I would never consider Titewad for high pressure cartridges, such as .40SW or 10mm.
Title: Re: Titewad powder used by anyone for 10mm or is it just too hot
Post by: sqlbullet on May 03 2016 03:34:27 PM MDT
Yeah...probably a 1 grain starting load.
Title: Re: Titewad powder used by anyone for 10mm or is it just too hot
Post by: sstewart on May 04 2016 02:52:47 PM MDT
Titewad for 10mm is walking on a razor blade ...


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Title: Re: Titewad powder used by anyone for 10mm or is it just too hot
Post by: The_Shadow on May 04 2016 03:09:20 PM MDT
Hodgdon shows the following for 45ACP using TiteWad  (These could be safe in the 10mm)

Hodgdon  Titewad  .451"  1.230" 155 GR. CAST LSWC  4.6 gr @ 1,015 fps  15,800 PSI   5.0 gr @  1,082 fps  18,800 PSI

Hodgdon  Titewad  .452"  1.140"  180 GR. LFP  3.7 gr @ 855 fps  14,800 PSI   4.3 gr @ 948 fps  19,200 PSI

Hodgdon  Titewad  .451"  1.155"  200 GR. SPR JHP  3.4 gr @ 680    fps 15,200 PSI   4.0 gr @ 834 fps 19,500 PSI

They show a few others but it does show just how little charges can generate some upper pressures in the 45ACP.
Title: Re: Titewad powder used by anyone for 10mm or is it just too hot
Post by: sqlbullet on May 04 2016 04:43:09 PM MDT
yeah... half a grain = a 4K psi jump.  That could get ugly fast.