I can see gun control moving in quickly. I want to get a reasonable priced AK before it all starts to hit. What are some good makers for the money? Any advantage a 47 over a 74?
They all work and go bang,that's an AK.However,like anything they run up in price with all the attachment,red dots etc.I stick with 7.62.39 rounds,effective and affordable and plenty around.Romanian model is good.Sar 1.You might want to get a Saiga 12 shotgun now before the scare really kicks in.High Cap Mags as well.
The Romanian guns are rough but good due to the original chrome lines barrels they are imported with. Most AK type rifles being sold in the US today are being built from kits with US non-chrome lined barrels. If you can find a Romanian Draco AK pistol snag it as they are completely Romanian (no US compliance parts) and are a hoot to shoot.
You better hurry though. I can almost guarantee there won't be any new gun control measures enacted before the elections (don't want to piss off swing voters) but the paranoia combined with some deadbeat gun dealers scaring buyers (buy it now before they ban 'em all) will drive prices through the roof. You may already be too late if you are a buyer looking for AR receivers, I don't know of any retailers with lowers in stock. But that was the situation last week, before the Colorado shooting occurred.
Sorry, but if you waited this close to the election to buy black rifle stuff you only have yourself to blame.
Myself, instead of panic buying (which is what I did after the primaries in the summer of 2008) I'm planning on selling some of my extra stuff and making a few $$$.
Good Luck, let us know what you get.
CK CDNN for Mags etc,delivery is cheap too.Ck out there wares as well.
For me I want to put a red dot or scope on it. Hmmm.... scope or dot?
I am liking the looks of this one:
http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/storeproduct1185.aspx
Hammer forged but don't know about barrel lining. How important is that?
I have to check if it is MD legal with my boss in the A.M.
Buds Gun Shop right now has the Romanian,599.00.Maryland,Jersey,New York,Im surrounded here in Pa and im glad im in Pa.Good Crabs and Stripe Bass fishing though in Maryland.
I have some learning to do on these. Romanian is the better one to get?
The nice thing about AKs, other than that they are AKs, is some can be had for very reasonable prices. The problem is you might filter between a dozen poor examples before finding one worth owning.
I was surprise to learn that the Polytech AKS has become something of a 'collectable'. I never thought of that happening with AKs.......anyway, finding an older Polytech or Norinco in decent shape could be an option. Just in case you ever need a bayonet. :) I bought the Poly back in the early nineties and know little about current imported versions.
I had someone tell me this is a lot of bang for the buck. Chrome lined and hammer forged barrel too. He said his has been great.
http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/411546098
That is the one i refered from Buds in earlier post.If i had the extra cabbage id might consider.Romanian AK's are very good for the money.but im locked into another Saiga 12,gee,timing is everything.
The price sure is attractive.
You might also consider the FEG AMD-65 at Bud's:
http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/756/products_id/411545173/Rifles/Century+International+Arms+Inc.
They have the original FEG receivers with the mag dimples and the cool folding stock with what appears to be the original chrome lined barrel. If you want to mount a Red Dot there are many mounting options but a simple railed handguard from a quality maker such as Midwest should cost about $90.
Chinese AKs were mentioned earlier, good luck finding one now. Those babies were considered junk in the late 1980's by gun snobs who never shot one. The Chinese Norincos and Polytechs are second only to the Finnish Valmet rifles in quality. A Chinese AK built in the same factory as the regular military AK series is like a Luxury car compared to the Econobox hatchback of the Romanian AK in quality. That said, the Econobox still runs fine, it just isn't a Premium car/gun. I have a Pre-Ban Norinco Sile import type 56S that is a sweet shooter. Never selling that one.
Try the AKfiles.com forum for more info.
Quote from: Intercooler on July 22 2012 09:41:45 PM MDT
I had someone tell me this is a lot of bang for the buck. Chrome lined and hammer forged barrel too. He said his has been great.
http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/411546098
I've been hunting this very gun now for about a month or so. It has a lot of features for the money and people are getting 2 moa out of it on a regular basis. Tapco butstock, hogue grip(?), quad rail, G2 trigger, hammer forged/chromed lined barrel, tapco break, akm rear sight and there is (I believe) the addition of internal spacers to do the job of the dimples to keep mag wobble to a minimum. Well, these are the features off of the top of my head that are valuable to me. It's all new parts not peaced together from surp parts. Wonder if it is truly in stock at buds, every popular place I've checked has been out?
You know more about it than I do. Does that look like one of the better deals out there? How would a scope or red-dot get mounted on it where you aren't looking from a weird position?
In before the legislation! ;D
Got the M-10 through Bud's $605 shipped and insured 8)
Saw a decent amount of good reviews on it and seems like a lot of bang for the buck.
Congrats! Glad the had one in stock for you. 8) It's a steal of a buy IMO.
I got a confirmation. I think that means they had it :o
After you order have has anyone gotten a reply a day later it's NIS?
I like wood looks but like this a little better for being rugged. Love Hogue grips and the stock doesn't seem too bad. The rear sight looks like an upgrade over most and everyone has said the barrel is a high quality piece. As long as I can add a couple of goodies to it I think it will be great for me. Everyone can't figure out what to get me for Christmas but not now.
Congrats ;DGrab a drum as well.I see them in their sights in not to distant future.Now,all ya gotta do is cross the boarder from Maryland to Penna.Had to throw that in ;D
I may be moving to PA next year :o I heard some of the tax rates are high but Lancaster County isn't too bad.
It will just suck though because I am less than 1/4 mile from the range I use and Love it :(
Lancaster county next county east of me.Not bad,known for some of the best fertile ground in the country.Amish country as well.Pro gun state.Great shopping outlets in Lancaster.
They cancelled my order. Maryland is 20 round Mag and they can't pull it or swap. It's a 30 rounder so a no go. Need to find a 20 model.
Im gonna start doing my salt water fishing in Delaware.Unreal.Screw Jersey and the rest.
Quote from: Intercooler on July 24 2012 11:49:39 AM MDT
They cancelled my order. Maryland is 20 round Mag and they can't pull it or swap. It's a 30 rounder so a no go. Need to find a 20 model.
Damn, that's bad news! I was going to answer some of your questions but I guess that wouldn't help anything. I just pulled the trigger on one today from Buds, N.C. laws so it should be fine... hope there are no other issues.
Good luck on your continued search, be sure to list your possibles here.
No go ahead and answer. I found a place that will ship without a magazine but have to check with my FFL if that then makes it legal for transfer.
Quote from: Intercooler on July 23 2012 07:19:17 PM MDT
You know more about it than I do. Does that look like one of the better deals out there? How would a scope or red-dot get mounted on it where you aren't looking from a weird position?
This was the main thing I wanted to hit on. On the left side of the reciever (oposite charging handle), there is a place to mount the scope mount. The mounts that you buy hang over top of the top cover above the bolt. This puts your scope or red dot in the normal area albeit a bit high instead of on the rails up front. This also keeps the weapon from gaining weight up front whcih I don't like front heavy for handling purposes.
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Glad things are working out again!
It can ship without a mag and be legal. So will one of these scope mounts make it normal functioning?
You saw the black with the rails. Here is a tan with a six position stock:
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=297809187
Is that a better stock than the black one?
They also have a tan one without the rails but same stock as the all black one:
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=297117785
Quote from: Intercooler on July 25 2012 08:33:57 PM MDT
It can ship without a mag and be legal. So will one of these scope mounts make it normal functioning?
The scope mount will not hurt functioning unless it blocks your iron sight picture, if that's what you mean. The gun is designed to utilize these types of optics mounts.
As for the stock being better... well that depends, the obvious advantage is that you can adjust the length of pull to your liking for various situations. The disadvantages will be durability and a rattle if it's a low quality calapsable buttstock.
Also, I'm not an AK expert by any stretch. Just wanted to throw that out there. I've done my research over the years but the scope of what I know has a narrow field of view, mostly directly relatede to features I like.
I'm trying to find someone that can tell me if it works okay with a scope for your cheek rest. Other thing I didn't realize is the front sight is on the gas tube. Some say that may not be good and it ruins mounting other things on there.
I stand by Noricos for the price. Val's are out of sight in price! Stick with GOOD iron sights. I don't like anything that takes batteries on a battle rifle, and scopes are for hunters/designated marksmen. Also, a good upgrade is the lightening bolt. It puts the charging handle on the left side. Grips, stocks.......all the other stuff that people stick on their "adult legos" or rifles, is good stuff, but in my humble opinion your money is better spent on ammo and mags.
I wish I had gotten into building back when barreled kits were $100. I have some friends that were into building 5 years ago and they have tens of AK's that they built from $150 or less.
Quote from: Intercooler on July 26 2012 07:54:36 PM MDT
I'm trying to find someone that can tell me if it works okay with a scope for your cheek rest. Other thing I didn't realize is the front sight is on the gas tube. Some say that may not be good and it ruins mounting other things on there.
The cheek rest will be low but it's a wash since you're not going to get great accuracy anyway, imho. With the sight on the gas tube your sight radius is shortened, well, even more. Can't think off hand what it might prevent you from mounting.
Quote from: hillbillyhans on July 26 2012 08:01:16 PM MDT
I stand by Noricos for the price. Val's are out of sight in price! Stick with GOOD iron sights. I don't like anything that takes batteries on a battle rifle, and scopes are for hunters/designated marksmen. Also, a good upgrade is the lightening bolt. It puts the charging handle on the left side. Grips, stocks.......all the other stuff that people stick on their "adult legos" or rifles, is good stuff, but in my humble opinion your money is better spent on ammo and mags.
Tritium dots aren't bad, no need for batts. Not up to date on what's available AND good these days, though. Red dots are pretty fast. A dot set up to co-witness is pretty handy.
Acog's are good.