In case any of you missed the announcement.... Sig announced the release of a Sig 220 chambered in 10mm.
I'm already saving my pennies. ;)
http://modernserviceweapons.com/?p=11697 (http://modernserviceweapons.com/?p=11697)
We didn't miss it: http://10mm-firearms.com/general-discussion/sig-sauer-announces-the-p220-10mm/
But thanks for lookin' out for us.
This Thread is Worthless Without Pics! :P
I like Sigs (like them better a while back before they started to cut corners).
OK, I give: What's the price point? From Sig it wouldn't surprise me if it is north of $1,200-$1,400??
Im preparing for as much as $1700. I figure a more common 220 is 850-900 and they are making this a special edition, so there is some extra for that. Then they are making a match elite which will command more. Im hoping for nothing more than 1200 but planning for 1700.
EDIT: Just stumbled on this.
http://www.osagecountyguns.com/sig-sauer-p220-stainless-elite-10mm-romeo-mrd-camo-220r5-10-hrp-sao.html
$1770 :o
I guess I won't be getting one!
You can buy 2 or 3 (insert options) of other 10mm platforms out there for that cost. I also think the bore axis is pretty high and that will make it harder to shoot accurately.
I guess next up is the new GrandPower 10mm when it's out.
1700.00,no way. I think the Sig will be a robust platform and serve well as a 10mm. I have well over 2000 rounds thru my 220 in .45, not one hiccup at all.
$1,200 max for me, looking at the Kimber TLE to add then.
If I'm any judge of SIG's pricing, I'm thinking somewhere between $950-$1,000. I've seen P226 Navy's going for a grand, and under. Also, M11-A1's for ca. $950 USD. I think, a lot of 10mm shooters are 'spoiled' by the prices of Glocks, Rock Island Armory, and EAA. Yet, will not hesitate to drop a grand on a high-end 1911. It 'boils-down' to what your willing to pay, and how bad do you want, or need it!
Quote from: Zephyr on December 06 2014 09:04:33 PM MST
If I'm any judge of SIG's pricing, I'm thinking somewhere between $950-$1,000. I've seen P226 Navy's going for a grand, and under. Also, M11-A1's for ca. $950 USD. I think, a lot of 10mm shooters are 'spoiled' by the prices of Glocks, Rock Island Armory, and EAA. Yet, will not hesitate to drop a grand on a high-end 1911. It 'boils-down' to what your willing to pay, and how bad do you want, or need it!
true, true, all I own are Glocks, 1) because they are easy and inexpensive 2) reliable and lastly because they are about all I can afford, NIB
At $1000 I'm saving my pennies for the Sig. At 1700 plus I'm taking a pass.
I'm looking for the SAO to give my witness limited a run. Not looking for another duty gun.
I am seeing more and more links to Sig V-crown ammo in 10mm. Im hoping that this is a sign this is coming along nicely. I am getting really twitchy to get a sig. I was considering it a while back but the lack of 10mm pushed me away from it and I couldn't convince myself to get another 45.
I even have a few guns swirled away in the safe that I would be willing to sacrifice should I be a bit short on the total when the time comes.
Quote from: Bruno747 on December 10 2014 07:46:29 PM MST
I am seeing more and more links to Sig V-crown ammo in 10mm. Im hoping that this is a sign this is coming along nicely. I am getting really twitchy to get a sig. I was considering it a while back but the lack of 10mm pushed me away from it and I couldn't convince myself to get another 45.
I even have a few guns swirled away in the safe that I would be willing to sacrifice should I be a bit short on the total when the time comes.
Same here. Thinking my AK and shotgun might help fund this. :D
Posted the same info to the Sig Sauer facebook page.
The replied saying that we might see some things at shot show that turn up to 10.
Awesome!
Quote from: halfglocked on December 09 2014 10:13:33 PM MST
Quote from: Zephyr on December 06 2014 09:04:33 PM MST
If I'm any judge of SIG's pricing, I'm thinking somewhere between $950-$1,000. I've seen P226 Navy's going for a grand, and under. Also, M11-A1's for ca. $950 USD. I think, a lot of 10mm shooters are 'spoiled' by the prices of Glocks, Rock Island Armory, and EAA. Yet, will not hesitate to drop a grand on a high-end 1911. It 'boils-down' to what your willing to pay, and how bad do you want, or need it!
true, true, all I own are Glocks, 1) because they are easy and inexpensive 2) reliable and lastly because they are about all I can afford, NIB
The reason I do NOT own any Glocks
The grips are too thick for my short fat fingered hands
The grip angle just feels unnatural to me.
I don't like plastic guns
I mean it's all just personal feelings. If they feel good in your hands, good for you. But I did this once. I took a Glock, and pointed it without aiming at a target. I locked my arm, then peered down the sights. I was holding it way too high. I do the same thing with a 1911. Bingo, sight aligned right with the bullseye. A 1911 just feels way more natural to me, and I would trust one a lot more in any panic SHTF situation.
Once again, you don't have this problem, Glock is a good deal for you.
This is a picture of a modified SIG P220 that Grays Guns converted to 10mm. Only SIG 10mm I've seen yet.
(http://sigforum.com/movedimages/para/SHOT08/ggi_10mm_220_a.jpg)
Can't wait to see SIGS version.
Looks like there will be 4 models, three of which are SAO. ???
The dual single is a goofy looking two tone instead of the all stainless one god intended, and the hunt ready model that I was looking forward to brings with it sig sauers typical cheesy extra gun with a goofy camo finish.
I really wanted one to carry, but with the dual action one being two tone and reverse two tone at that, looks like Ill have to get the hunt ready one and try to ignore the stupid camo pattern on it.
Why cant we have what we ask for rather than what the out of touch janitor at the gun company comes up with? The dual action, stainless sao, and nitride sao are a tad over 1400msrp and the hunt ready version is a tad over 1700.
Sig missed this one by a good bit. If I wanted an SAO to carry Ill buy a 1911 so that I can do so with a safety on it.
Hey, I like my two tone SIG P229. I think it looks pretty sharp!
The sig SAO's have a thumb safety. It is even in the right place.
Jeff Quinn (GunBlast) just posted a picture:
(https://scontent-a-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10292552_850120555051623_4942467074681740463_n.jpg?oh=98d6e964163f99136b7491ab84195c2b&oe=552F8FC5)
Someone said this is the "Hunt Ready" version:
(https://scontent-a-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/10917815_10155062323535720_9137267482440349882_n.jpg?oh=1f1ceef27452ad97b056faadaed388eb&oe=5536705E)
The following three P220 10mm's will
start shipping in March/April of 2015:
P220 Match Elite DA/SA 5" Reverse Two?Tone, Adjustable Sights, G10 Grips
P220 Stainless Elite SAO 5" Natural Stainless Steel, Adjustable Sights, Rosewood Grips
P220 Elite SAO 5" Nitron Finish, Adjustable Sights, G10 grips
Quote from: Intercooler on January 14 2015 04:26:41 PM MST
Jeff Quinn (GunBlast) just posted a picture:
(https://scontent-a-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10292552_850120555051623_4942467074681740463_n.jpg?oh=98d6e964163f99136b7491ab84195c2b&oe=552F8FC5)
This picture has a de-cocker. At least it looks like it to me. I thought this was going to be SAO.
(https://scontent-a-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10931550_10203313176702030_6982436905560714731_n.jpg?oh=edf9953995e82d7b4d8b8f27160df803&oe=5563CD2E)
Maybe not just a rumor. Woot!!
Jeff will have a review video shortly from the looks of it.
I might have to get me one of these.
All I can say is if SIG can make a 10mm as accurate as my SIG P229 with the .40 cal barrel....I WANT'S one?
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v196/Gandog56/40SW.jpg)
Of course my Dan Wesson Razorback RZ 10 will give it a good race!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v196/Gandog56/dwgroup.jpg)
Okay I caved, I ordered one. This will be a safe queen, and Ill wait on either the 4.4" that the product manager said would be coming later this year or the hunt ready for my fun gun.
http://www.durysguns.com/shop/sig-p220-10mm-gun-talk-exclusive
DA/SA $1,200 deposit placed today, this website is going to make me broke.
Very nice! Post some pictures and stuff when you get them.
I'm trying my hardest to keep my wallet in the pocket :-X
We got a chance to "fondle" the 10mm 220 at SHOT
TOO SWEET ! ! !
Even with all my many "riches" I'll never afford one
But I can still dream 8)
i think it's great that Sig is introducing 10mm pistols, not that I could afford one. Well....maybe as a retirement present to myself.
I would like to get a peek at the insides of one of those.
Answer!
Sell two Glocks = one new Sig ;D
Sig 10mm with Buffalo Bore!
(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n235/enidpd804/Forum/th_MVI_1531_zpsdlcoidir.mp4) (http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n235/enidpd804/Forum/MVI_1531_zpsdlcoidir.mp4)
Not too much recoil there.
My Sig 229 is top heavy, with a high bore line. Might keep the 10mm muzzle flip down.
You know that is the second video I have seen of people firing the 220-10 at the range day where it failed to lock the slide back on the last round. From the videos I have seen Sig was putting 5 in each mag. The guy in the Buffalo Bore vid fired five and then you can see he tried to fire again but it was a dry fire.
I hope this is just from his grip and not a sign of things to come with this pistols.
It seems the Sig Elite Match DA/SA will have adjustable sights. Will keep me away as I would want the fixed night sights. Why on the DA/SA I don't know. Just wanted a carry piece with traditional fixed Sig sights. On the S/A I can understand.
Quote from: Bruno747 on January 25 2015 10:06:58 PM MST
You know that is the second video I have seen of people firing the 220-10 at the range day where it failed to lock the slide back on the last round. From the videos I have seen Sig was putting 5 in each mag. The guy in the Buffalo Bore vid fired five and then you can see he tried to fire again but it was a dry fire.
I hope this is just from his grip and not a sign of things to come with this pistols.
No, guns should lock back unless a person's grip is absolutely ridiculous. I only fired one partial magazine, so there's no telling from that. Still, I would expect some bugs in beta testing. There was only one pistol there the whole day. There were reports during the morning of failures to go back into battery but those were worked out during the day's shooting. We shall see.
Quote from: Intercooler on January 25 2015 04:23:23 AM MST
Answer!
Sell two Glocks = one new Sig ;D
That would be assuming I owned two Glocks in the first place!
Gotta wonder how the Sig's high bore access is affecting feed geometry with the relatively thin/long 10mm round.
My SIG P229 feeds 40 cal no problems.
Yeah, but your .40 is about the same geometry at a .45 or a 9mm in regards to diameter/length. The 10 and the 38 super pose unique challenges as they are long for their diameter.
Quote from: sqlbullet on January 28 2015 11:04:34 AM MST
Yeah, but your .40 is about the same geometry at a .45 or a 9mm in regards to diameter/length. The 10 and the 38 super pose unique challenges as they are long for their diameter.
I have 2 1911 10mm's. I have no problem with them. Why should a SIG be that different?
I think the best thing about this announcement is the added attention it brings to the 10mm overall. I have to hope that, having seen SIG jump into the 10mm market, other companies will be more inclined to follow suit: CZ? S&W? Are you paying attention?
For me, a handgun line doesn't interest me unless I can cover the range from 9mm to 10mm. That is, I don't want one manual of arms for my 10mm and a separate manual of arms for another carry gun. This is the first thing that's really interested me in the SIG line, and like I said in the Grand Power thread, the addition of a 10mm garners my interest in getting a p226 as well as a 10mm.
I consider the 10mm a flagship chambering: not many people will buy one, but it's the like the Shelby GT500 at the top of the Mustang line. A lot of people buy V6 Mustangs and dream of Shelbys. Having a 10mm draws attention to the whole range.
Just my 2c.
Buddy is correct, bought the Razorback, saw how sweet it was and then got the PM 9. Would have never looked at it without the 10 mm.
Quote from: Buddy10mm on February 12 2015 08:35:57 AM MST
I think the best thing about this announcement is the added attention it brings to the 10mm overall. I have to hope that, having seen SIG jump into the 10mm market, other companies will be more inclined to follow suit: CZ? S&W? Are you paying attention?
For me, a handgun line doesn't interest me unless I can cover the range from 9mm to 10mm. That is, I don't want one manual of arms for my 10mm and a separate manual of arms for another carry gun. This is the first thing that's really interested me in the SIG line, and like I said in the Grand Power thread, the addition of a 10mm garners my interest in getting a p226 as well as a 10mm.
I consider the 10mm a flagship chambering: not many people will buy one, but it's the like the Shelby GT500 at the top of the Mustang line. A lot of people buy V6 Mustangs and dream of Shelbys. Having a 10mm draws attention to the whole range.
Just my 2c.
So true. Glock's 10mm 20 is what brought me to Glock. Have 3 models now.
Quote from: Dave84 on February 12 2015 08:52:21 PM MST
Quote from: Buddy10mm on February 12 2015 08:35:57 AM MST
I think the best thing about this announcement is the added attention it brings to the 10mm overall. I have to hope that, having seen SIG jump into the 10mm market, other companies will be more inclined to follow suit: CZ? S&W? Are you paying attention?
For me, a handgun line doesn't interest me unless I can cover the range from 9mm to 10mm. That is, I don't want one manual of arms for my 10mm and a separate manual of arms for another carry gun. This is the first thing that's really interested me in the SIG line, and like I said in the Grand Power thread, the addition of a 10mm garners my interest in getting a p226 as well as a 10mm.
I consider the 10mm a flagship chambering: not many people will buy one, but it's the like the Shelby GT500 at the top of the Mustang line. A lot of people buy V6 Mustangs and dream of Shelbys. Having a 10mm draws attention to the whole range.
Just my 2c.
So true. Glock's 10mm 20 is what brought me to Glock. Have 3 models now.
So, what we're saying is we're not 10mm fans, we're 10mm whores: we'll sell ourselves to anyone with a good 10mm? :))
Hey I may be easy, but I ain't cheap! :P
I have my Colt Delta Elites but I also like Sig. I hope to pick up one of these new P220's in 10mm when they release them. And as others have said, it is to our benifit when more manufacturers jump into the 10mm ring. I saw Sig's move with this P220 along with Federal's announcement of their new 10mm load as good news. If others jump back in maybe 10mm ammo won't seem semi exotic to many as it does now.
Rudy
Quote from: DeltaElite10 on February 16 2015 08:31:43 PM MST
I have my Colt Delta Elites but I also like Sig. I hope to pick up one of these new P220's in 10mm when they release them. And as others have said, it is to our benifit when more manufacturers jump into the 10mm ring. I saw Sig's move with this P220 along with Federal's announcement of their new 10mm load as good news. If others jump back in maybe 10mm ammo won't seem semi exotic to many as it does now.
Rudy
Of course, if 10mm becomes too commonplace, I'll lose my bragging rights. Can't be proving my machismo if I've only got the same chambering as everyone else!
Quote from: Buddy10mm on February 18 2015 12:07:52 PM MST
Quote from: DeltaElite10 on February 16 2015 08:31:43 PM MST
I have my Colt Delta Elites but I also like Sig. I hope to pick up one of these new P220's in 10mm when they release them. And as others have said, it is to our benifit when more manufacturers jump into the 10mm ring. I saw Sig's move with this P220 along with Federal's announcement of their new 10mm load as good news. If others jump back in maybe 10mm ammo won't seem semi exotic to many as it does now.
Rudy
Of course, if 10mm becomes too commonplace, I'll lose my bragging rights. Can't be proving my machismo if I've only got the same chambering as everyone else!
Ill gladly give up my bragging rights for 10mm to become common place. I dream of a day the ammo is on the shelf next to 45acp for a cheaper price. Unfortunately that won't happen until the military tells recruits to man up and learn to shoot a 10mm, which won't happen.
But ahhhh, a man can dream!
They will be out mid to late March.
Lipseys has the exclusive, if you want one get it through Lipseys via your LGS as they may not make another run for awhile.
Cannot wait to get mine.
Quote from: Bruno747 on February 18 2015 05:20:16 PM MST
Quote from: Buddy10mm on February 18 2015 12:07:52 PM MST
Quote from: DeltaElite10 on February 16 2015 08:31:43 PM MST
I have my Colt Delta Elites but I also like Sig. I hope to pick up one of these new P220's in 10mm when they release them. And as others have said, it is to our benifit when more manufacturers jump into the 10mm ring. I saw Sig's move with this P220 along with Federal's announcement of their new 10mm load as good news. If others jump back in maybe 10mm ammo won't seem semi exotic to many as it does now.
Rudy
Of course, if 10mm becomes too commonplace, I'll lose my bragging rights. Can't be proving my machismo if I've only got the same chambering as everyone else!
Ill gladly give up my bragging rights for 10mm to become common place. I dream of a day the ammo is on the shelf next to 45acp for a cheaper price. Unfortunately that won't happen until the military tells recruits to man up and learn to shoot a 10mm, which won't happen.
But ahhhh, a man can dream!
Ehh, I reload so ammo is not a problem since 10mm and the way more common .40 cal S&W use the same components except for the cases.
Quote from: gandog56 on February 21 2015 10:01:19 AM MST
Quote from: Bruno747 on February 18 2015 05:20:16 PM MST
Quote from: Buddy10mm on February 18 2015 12:07:52 PM MST
Quote from: DeltaElite10 on February 16 2015 08:31:43 PM MST
I have my Colt Delta Elites but I also like Sig. I hope to pick up one of these new P220's in 10mm when they release them. And as others have said, it is to our benifit when more manufacturers jump into the 10mm ring. I saw Sig's move with this P220 along with Federal's announcement of their new 10mm load as good news. If others jump back in maybe 10mm ammo won't seem semi exotic to many as it does now.
Rudy
Of course, if 10mm becomes too commonplace, I'll lose my bragging rights. Can't be proving my machismo if I've only got the same chambering as everyone else!
Ill gladly give up my bragging rights for 10mm to become common place. I dream of a day the ammo is on the shelf next to 45acp for a cheaper price. Unfortunately that won't happen until the military tells recruits to man up and learn to shoot a 10mm, which won't happen.
But ahhhh, a man can dream!
Ehh, I reload so ammo is not a problem since 10mm and the way more common .40 cal S&W use the same components except for the cases.
Same boat for me, but imagine the popularity increase it would have it the ammo could be gotten off the shelf for more reasonable prices. Heck lets cut that down to just commonly available and it would still be a good bump.
Looks like Tom Gresham got the first gt20 in. In slow mo, looks like that gun needs some stiffer springs. You can see the recoil and then a significant extra shock backwards when the slide bottoms out. Here's hoping wolf makes us some increased strength ones of I forsee a fair amount of failures from being battered.
http://youtu.be/9MKrAHGFBn8
Looked good cannot wait to get one.
Quote from: Bruno747 on February 21 2015 07:41:44 PM MST
Quote from: gandog56 on February 21 2015 10:01:19 AM MST
Quote from: Bruno747 on February 18 2015 05:20:16 PM MST
Quote from: Buddy10mm on February 18 2015 12:07:52 PM MST
Quote from: DeltaElite10 on February 16 2015 08:31:43 PM MST
I have my Colt Delta Elites but I also like Sig. I hope to pick up one of these new P220's in 10mm when they release them. And as others have said, it is to our benifit when more manufacturers jump into the 10mm ring. I saw Sig's move with this P220 along with Federal's announcement of their new 10mm load as good news. If others jump back in maybe 10mm ammo won't seem semi exotic to many as it does now.
Rudy
Of course, if 10mm becomes too commonplace, I'll lose my bragging rights. Can't be proving my machismo if I've only got the same chambering as everyone else!
Ill gladly give up my bragging rights for 10mm to become common place. I dream of a day the ammo is on the shelf next to 45acp for a cheaper price. Unfortunately that won't happen until the military tells recruits to man up and learn to shoot a 10mm, which won't happen.
But ahhhh, a man can dream!
Ehh, I reload so ammo is not a problem since 10mm and the way more common .40 cal S&W use the same components except for the cases.
Same boat for me, but imagine the popularity increase it would have it the ammo could be gotten off the shelf for more reasonable prices. Heck lets cut that down to just commonly available and it would still be a good bump.
It will never be so popular I can't reload them cheaper!
I have waited a bit to make my official response about this new Sig 10mm. But here it goes.
I'm not impressed. I'm just not. A full size modern duty pistol with only 8 round capacity? And the $1,400 price tag? Insane. I can get a Delta Elite for half that price with that capacity.
A Glock or Witness can be had for $500 and a 14-15 round capacity to boot.
I'll pass.
Patriot,
I agree completely. Some have viewed it as revolutionary or industry-changing but I see very little to have my skirt blown up about, especially considering the price. Yes it's "a Sig" but at what point do we stop viewing it as the new iPhone of guns and say "Hey maybe that's a little too much money for something that really isn't all that special?" I mean, if you like it and you want to own one, by all means please do! It looks great and I'm sure most Sig guys would wholeheartedly agree. It's just not for me.
I plucked down $1,200 for mine. Should have been at least 10 rounds but I can live with 8.
I'd rather have the witness limited with 15
Quote from: Wolfie on March 06 2015 09:46:51 AM MST
I plucked down $1,200 for mine. Should have been at least 10 rounds but I can live with 8.
I am not trying to make this political but what is the benefit of having a 10rd mag in a state that you can't load more than 7. Also is that 7+1 or 7 total, my reason for asking is I always hear 7 in the mag.
I am HR218 qualified and I can carry more when I am out of state. (I usually carry my Glock 30S)
Its 7 in the mag one in the chamber.
Dumb law, should be no magazines that extend below the grip over 1 round.
Grand Power FTW! ;D
Quote from: Wolfie on March 06 2015 12:28:37 PM MST
I am HR218 qualified and I can carry more when I am out of state. (I usually carry my Glock 30S)
Its 7 in the mag one in the chamber.
Dumb law, should be no magazines that extend below the grip over 1 round.
FTFY.
What state has a law stating 7? I'm aware of a few with 10. What a horrible place.
NY a state where Democrats and Republicans passed the law.
Quote from: Patriot on March 06 2015 07:38:29 AM MST
I have waited a bit to make my official response about this new Sig 10mm. But here it goes.
I'm not impressed. I'm just not. A full size modern duty pistol with only 8 round capacity? And the $1,400 price tag? Insane. I can get a Delta Elite for half that price with that capacity.
A Glock or Witness can be had for $500 and a 14-15 round capacity to boot.
I'll pass.
I agree. My buddy and I spoke about this same thing. If this were an $800 gun I might give it a serious thought. But for the money, I would rather pick up a Kimber or a Delta Elite.
Show me where your getting a Delta Elite for $800, and I'll get it tomorrow. They're all about 1 grand or more on Gunbroker. And that's for a used one.
I love my only SIG, a P229. I drool over getting one in 10mm.
Quote from: gandog56 on March 07 2015 09:38:49 AM MST
Show me where your getting a Delta Elite for $800, and I'll get it tomorrow. They're all about 1 grand or more on Gunbroker. And that's for a used one.
I love my only SIG, a P229. I drool over getting one in 10mm.
I don't see any right now. Back in November when I was looking there were over 15 for $700-$900 on gunbroker. I was even the high bidder on one for $675 until 10 minutes before the auction ended when some guy swooped in and bid $800 so I dropped out. Not sure why but the prices have gone up apparently.
Gunbroker pisses me off sometimes. I honestly think the sellers have multiple accounts and bid on their own items to drive up the bids. I was bidding on a 610 in January and it was up to $1,100 when some new guy with no buying history came in and bid $1,500 out of nowhere. I know it was the seller with a different account trying to get me to bid one more time.
Quote from: Patriot on March 07 2015 11:26:24 AM MSTNot sure why but the prices have gone up apparently
Blame Obama, I do for ANYTHING wrong!
Quote from: 10mmfan on March 06 2015 10:53:25 AM MST
I'd rather have the witness limited with 15
Id rather have an M&P in 10mm, but we all know Smith and Wesson doesn't have the Cahonies to make one.
EDIT, and Id gladly pay well more than current M&P prices for one.
Quote from: gandog56 on March 07 2015 09:38:49 AM MST
Show me where your getting a Delta Elite for $800, and I'll get it tomorrow. They're all about 1 grand or more on Gunbroker. And that's for a used one.
I love my only SIG, a P229. I drool over getting one in 10mm.
As was mentioned you could find Deltas around that price a while back. Now you can get them for just over $1000.
Fact is, I have carried a Sig for the last 14 years, and I don't want to pay $1200 to $1500 for one. Nothing wrong with Sigs mind you, but this is my own personal preference.
Quote from: Bruno747 on March 07 2015 05:50:19 PM MST
Quote from: 10mmfan on March 06 2015 10:53:25 AM MST
I'd rather have the witness limited with 15
Id rather have an M&P in 10mm, but we all know Smith and Wesson doesn't have the Cahonies to make one.
EDIT, and Id gladly pay well more than current M&P prices for one.
M&P was first pistol I ever owned. Had them in every caliber. Still have sig .357 slide & barrel as parts.
Traded & sold all for tanfoglio pistols.
I have to say a Colt Delta Elite for $800.00 is not the norm on Gunbroker and hasn't been in quite some time. And whenever one does sell in the $800.00 range its usually not in the greatest condition. I do love them though :) Still, I think I will need one of these new Sig P220's to add to my 10mm collection. The lack of higher capacity does not bother me and I would still rather have this Sig than a something like a Glock in 10mm for less money. That big, heavy P220 sounds more appealing to me for chambering 10mm :)
Rudy
Quote from: Bruno747 on March 07 2015 05:50:19 PM MST
Quote from: 10mmfan on March 06 2015 10:53:25 AM MST
I'd rather have the witness limited with 15
Id rather have an M&P in 10mm, but we all know Smith and Wesson doesn't have the Cahonies to make one.
EDIT, and Id gladly pay well more than current M&P prices for one.
I had a m&p 9mm and the trigger was terrible but last time I was at the range a guy let me fire one that had an apex trigger, I would love one in a 10mm.
Quote from: DeltaElite10 on March 07 2015 07:25:55 PM MST
I have to say a Colt Delta Elite for $800.00 is not the norm on Gunbroker and hasn't been in quite some time. And whenever one does sell in the $800.00 range its usually not in the greatest condition. I do love them though :) Still, I think I will need one of these new Sig P220's to add to my 10mm collection. The lack of higher capacity does not bother me and I would still rather have this Sig than a something like a Glock in 10mm for less money. That big, heavy P220 sounds more appealing to me for chambering 10mm :)
Rudy
Like I said, a while back you could find a Delta for as low as $800. I was looking at them in 2011.
Nothing wrong with Sigs (I have carried them for over a decade). I just don't want to spend $1200 to $1500 on one.
Quote from: DeltaElite10 on March 07 2015 07:25:55 PM MST
I have to say a Colt Delta Elite for $800.00 is not the norm on Gunbroker and hasn't been in quite some time. And whenever one does sell in the $800.00 range its usually not in the greatest condition. I do love them though :) Still, I think I will need one of these new Sig P220's to add to my 10mm collection. The lack of higher capacity does not bother me and I would still rather have this Sig than a something like a Glock in 10mm for less money. That big, heavy P220 sounds more appealing to me for chambering 10mm :)
Rudy
Yeah there is that. Let's say I actually could find an $800 Delta. At that price I assume it will NOT be the greatest condition. My other choice is an $800 SIG, new in box.
I'm going SIG!
Quote from: gandog56 on March 08 2015 06:25:12 AM MDT
Quote from: DeltaElite10 on March 07 2015 07:25:55 PM MST
I have to say a Colt Delta Elite for $800.00 is not the norm on Gunbroker and hasn't been in quite some time. And whenever one does sell in the $800.00 range its usually not in the greatest condition. I do love them though :) Still, I think I will need one of these new Sig P220's to add to my 10mm collection. The lack of higher capacity does not bother me and I would still rather have this Sig than a something like a Glock in 10mm for less money. That big, heavy P220 sounds more appealing to me for chambering 10mm :)
Rudy
Yeah there is that. Let's say I actually could find an $800 Delta. At that price I assume it will NOT be the greatest condition. My other choice is an $800 SIG, new in box.
I'm going SIG!
Find a Sig in 10mm NIB for $800 and I will give it serious consideration.
I saw an MSRP of like 1400, but almost nobody that knows anything doesn't pay near MRSP.
If I could get one for around $800 i would be interested.
It isn't high cap, but Sig makes a solid gun.
8 round capacity just won't cut it. I want to write Sig and let them know how I feel, but don't want to sound ungrateful.
My biggest concern is that these things don't sell and they cancel the program. How many people are really going to drop $1,200-$1,400 on one of these? What is the role this gun can fill that others can't? What will make it successful?
Will a police department pick it up? Obviously not with an 8 round capacity and that price tag.
Military? Not a chance.
Concealed carry? The 220 is a huge gun and there are better options.
Home protection? Obviously 10mm is great but just about any pistol/revolver can work for that.
Hunting? Possibly. The single action model might make a good deer/black bear/hog pistol. But a Witness Hunter has a 6 inch barrel and costs less.
The only thing I see this pistol being good for is competition shooting. But that won't sell guns. Our competition shooting section of this forum only has 5 topics. Sig won't make money off of those type of collectors.
Sig needs to go back to the drawing board, come up with a 15 round P226 or P227 for around $850-$1,100 depending on features. I'd buy two on the spot.
My gun store sold out of the 6 he was allocated. No one has bought any of the G40's he has on order.
Sig comes out with a gun and ammo and people still knock them. Don't buy the gun, I am hearing that they will make only a few runs of the gun anyway.
Maybe Sig can make a 30 round extended magazine to attract the cammo types to buying one.
Quote from: Patriot on March 08 2015 08:02:41 AM MDT
8 round capacity just won't cut it. I want to write Sig and let them know how I feel, but don't want to sound ungrateful.
It does with me. I've always figured that if I need more than 8 shots, I should be running, not shooting. All my 10mm pistols are 8 rounds. OK, I cheated, and about 1/4 of my mags I put in the Chip McCormick springs and followers to make them 9 rounders.
Of course it does help I can do this with them......
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v196/Gandog56/dwgroup.jpg)
Quote from: Wolfie on March 08 2015 09:38:08 AM MDT
My gun store sold out of the 6 he was allocated. No one has bought any of the G40's he has on order.
Sig comes out with a gun and ammo and people still knock them. Don't buy the gun, I am hearing that they will make only a few runs of the gun anyway.
Maybe Sig can make a 30 round extended magazine to attract the cammo types to buying one.
Again Wolfie, the price isn't right. I can't afford one, at least not at this point.
They would sell a whole lot more of the 10mm guns if they were in the $800 price range.
That's my thought on it.
Quote from: Patriot on March 08 2015 08:02:41 AM MDT
8 round capacity just won't cut it. I want to write Sig and let them know how I feel, but don't want to sound ungrateful.
My biggest concern is that these things don't sell and they cancel the program. How many people are really going to drop $1,200-$1,400 on one of these? What is the role this gun can fill that others can't? What will make it successful?
Will a police department pick it up? Obviously not with an 8 round capacity and that price tag.
Military? Not a chance.
Concealed carry? The 220 is a huge gun and there are better options.
Home protection? Obviously 10mm is great but just about any pistol/revolver can work for that.
Hunting? Possibly. The single action model might make a good deer/black bear/hog pistol. But a Witness Hunter has a 6 inch barrel and costs less.
The only thing I see this pistol being good for is competition shooting. But that won't sell guns. Our competition shooting section of this forum only has 5 topics. Sig won't make money off of those type of collectors.
Sig needs to go back to the drawing board, come up with a 15 round P226 or P227 for around $850-$1,100 depending on features. I'd buy two on the spot.
The 10mm round isn't all that popular in military or LE anyway. I doubt Sig was aiming at that market with a P220 in 10mm. I do believe they have at least one hunting variation of it planned. Sure I'd like to get it for much less too but you can make the same argument about most of their guns, a P226 in 9mm is a lot more expensive than a Glock or Beretta. But they still sell. The capacity issue, well that's another matter. Most other 10mm guns are 1911 based with not much more capacity, yes there are exceptions like Glock but for the most part its a 1911 world in 10mm. The P220 is a quality gun so chambering it in 10mm makes sense to me. It gives us one more option in 10mm :)
Rudy
Quote from: gandog56 on March 08 2015 09:58:52 AM MDT
Quote from: Patriot on March 08 2015 08:02:41 AM MDT
8 round capacity just won't cut it. I want to write Sig and let them know how I feel, but don't want to sound ungrateful.
It does with me. I've always figured that if I need more than 8 shots, I should be running, not shooting. All my 10mm pistols are 8 rounds. OK, I cheated, and about 1/4 of my mags I put in the Chip McCormick springs and followers to make them 9 rounders.
Of course it does help I can do this with them......
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v196/Gandog56/dwgroup.jpg)
Amen brother, combine that with the thought that IF, IF you have an attacker running at you, you aren't very likely to go through the 8 in the gun anyway. So unless you are getting into some gang banger shootout more than eight probably isnt going to help you defensively. If you are getting into gang banger shootouts, your probably gonna need more than the 14 your glock has so plan on bringing extra mags.
The only place that I can say I would be disappointed with 8 is the range or something like IDPA, but 8 rounds in the mag helps me slow my ammo consumption.
I am eagerly awaiting the one with the red dot sight from the factory though. I fully intend to take a deer this november with that bad boy. Hell if it runs well enough and I can find enough mags, I might just run a round or two at my local gun range where they have the steel shoot competitions just to see how I do with it.
Quote from: Patriot on March 08 2015 08:02:41 AM MDT
8 round capacity just won't cut it. I want to write Sig and let them know how I feel, but don't want to sound ungrateful.
My biggest concern is that these things don't sell and they cancel the program. How many people are really going to drop $1,200-$1,400 on one of these? What is the role this gun can fill that others can't? What will make it successful?
Will a police department pick it up? Obviously not with an 8 round capacity and that price tag.
Military? Not a chance.
Concealed carry? The 220 is a huge gun and there are better options.
Home protection? Obviously 10mm is great but just about any pistol/revolver can work for that.
Hunting? Possibly. The single action model might make a good deer/black bear/hog pistol. But a Witness Hunter has a 6 inch barrel and costs less.
The only thing I see this pistol being good for is competition shooting. But that won't sell guns. Our competition shooting section of this forum only has 5 topics. Sig won't make money off of those type of collectors.
Sig needs to go back to the drawing board, come up with a 15 round P226 or P227 for around $850-$1,100 depending on features. I'd buy two on the spot.
I don't want to sound ungrateful as well, any additional exposure or attention 10mm gets is helpful to us all, but this new Sig offering seems to me to be barely more than novelty. The only thing exceptional about this gun is that it's a Sig. It doesn't offer anything another other gun on the market doesn't already currently offer other than the fact that none of them are a Sig. If it was 2/3 the price or had double the capacity, then we'd be talking. As it is: it lacks more that it provides so it just doesn't seem worth it. To each their own; everyone has their priorities.
I have a coworker who is a huge sig fan and I got him hooked on the 10mm so he has been talking about how nice it would be if sig made a 10mm for a couple years. Needless to say he's buying it.
I think the capacity issue is a bit overblown. I mean, no one complains that a P220 in .45 ACP is a problem with only 8 rounds yet all of a sudden a P220 in 10mm with 8 rounds is? I like my 1911's and nothing will replace them but I never saw 7-8 rounds as a problem there either. Bottom line is Sig makes a nice gun and if they make it in 10mm, I want one :) I'm not crazy about the price either as I wish it was cheaper but its not too far off the price mark of some of their other higher end P226's and P220's in other calibers. I think a company like Sig jumping into the 10mm market is a big deal.
Rudy
Quote from: DeltaElite10 on March 09 2015 07:18:50 PM MDT
I think the capacity issue is a bit overblown. I mean, no one complains that a P220 in .45 ACP is a problem with only 8 rounds yet all of a sudden a P220 in 10mm with 8 rounds is? I like my 1911's and nothing will replace them but I never saw 7-8 rounds as a problem there either. Bottom line is Sig makes a nice gun and if they make it in 10mm, I want one :) I'm not crazy about the price either as I wish it was cheaper but its not too far off the price mark of some of their other higher end P226's and P220's in other calibers. I think a company like Sig jumping into the 10mm market is a big deal.
Rudy
.45 ACP fans might not complain about 8 round capacity, because they are used to 8 round capacity. I think most of us might be apprehensive because what if we drop the $1,400 on one of these P220's, then in 6 months they actually come out with a high capacity version? I have no use for two, so I'll wait to see if they'll make one high capacity. The bad thing is if nobody buys them while we wait for a high capacity 10mm from Sig, they might just cancel the entire thing.
Quote from: DeltaElite10 on March 09 2015 07:18:50 PM MDT
I think the capacity issue is a bit overblown. I mean, no one complains that a P220 in .45 ACP is a problem with only 8 rounds yet all of a sudden a P220 in 10mm with 8 rounds is? I like my 1911's and nothing will replace them but I never saw 7-8 rounds as a problem there either. Bottom line is Sig makes a nice gun and if they make it in 10mm, I want one :) I'm not crazy about the price either as I wish it was cheaper but its not too far off the price mark of some of their other higher end P226's and P220's in other calibers. I think a company like Sig jumping into the 10mm market is a big deal.
Rudy
Same here
Quote from: Patriot on March 09 2015 08:05:38 PM MDT
Quote from: DeltaElite10 on March 09 2015 07:18:50 PM MDT
I think the capacity issue is a bit overblown. I mean, no one complains that a P220 in .45 ACP is a problem with only 8 rounds yet all of a sudden a P220 in 10mm with 8 rounds is? I like my 1911's and nothing will replace them but I never saw 7-8 rounds as a problem there either. Bottom line is Sig makes a nice gun and if they make it in 10mm, I want one :) I'm not crazy about the price either as I wish it was cheaper but its not too far off the price mark of some of their other higher end P226's and P220's in other calibers. I think a company like Sig jumping into the 10mm market is a big deal.
Rudy
.45 ACP fans might not complain about 8 round capacity, because they are used to 8 round capacity. I think most of us might be apprehensive because what if we drop the $1,400 on one of these P220's, then in 6 months they actually come out with a high capacity version? I have no use for two, so I'll wait to see if they'll make one high capacity. The bad thing is if nobody buys them while we wait for a high capacity 10mm from Sig, they might just cancel the entire thing.
Well, I won't get a Glock because my rather small short fingered hands won't fit on a double stack magazined gun very well. Single stacks fit me oh so much better. And once again, I feel if I need more than 8 shots, I should be running, not shooting!
Has anybody actually seen one of these SIGs in a gun store yet? Are they really out now?
I don't know that they are actually shipping yet. As we all know Sig likes to say one date and actually do another. The gt20 gun isn't supposed to ship till 1st so that one has some time yet.
Lipseys is to get the regular run first. Then they will ship them to the LGS.
As much as I was enamored with these I have to admit I would rather get the RIA 6" I think may be an overall better value. But probably end up with both. :D
Quote from: Ramjet on March 13 2015 07:50:37 PM MDT
As much as I was enamored with these I have to admit I would rather get the RIA 6" I think may be an overall better value. But probably end up with both. :D
Like I said, I own a SIG P229. It is one of my favorite pistols. I also own a RIA Tac II 10mm. But I have a long slide covered by a Fusion Firearms 10mm Hunter.
Looks like it shoots like a 1006. They put some Doubletap 135gr Noslers through it too. If it's the latest stuff I tested here recently with 800-X, they are the strongest 135's to date.
https://youtu.be/9MKrAHGFBn8
I don't care what anybody says, I am eagerly awaiting the sig p220 10 millimeter I can't wait! I love the P 220 in 45 I'm sure the 10 millimeter will be just as good if not better ;D
Quote from: will965 on March 23 2015 05:34:11 PM MDT
I don't care what anybody says, I am eagerly awaiting the sig p220 10 millimeter I can't wait! I love the P 220 in 45 I'm sure the 10 millimeter will be just as good if not better ;D
I got a call from dury's Saturday. They were collecting info for shipping on the gt20's. Looks like they expect to have mine to my ffl mid April.
Quote from: Intercooler on March 15 2015 08:46:10 AM MDT
Looks like it shoots like a 1006. They put some Doubletap 135gr Noslers through it too. If it's the latest stuff I tested here recently with 800-X, they are the strongest 135's to date.
https://youtu.be/9MKrAHGFBn8
You should see what velocity a 135 grain load does in my 16" Mechtech CCU, using my Dan Wesson Razorback as the lower.
Gotta say I been reading up on the new 10mm sig..beautiful gun for sure....hope it works as well as it looks.....looks like it's gonna have a.street price round 1147.00? And an 8 round mag to boot? For 1200, Sig can suck it!.... keep that overpriced toy.
Not sure that I would be on board for that much, however I don't own any Sigs currently. I do hope it takes off and brings others to market as well. There are enough 'Sig is the best' guys out there that hopefully it will make this go. A successful run of them might be what it takes to get HK involved finally. Then the 'HK is the best' guys would be out promoting it as well. The more promoting the more available everything.
What Sig should come out with is a fully supported 1911 in 10mm. Maybe something with a full length dust cover.
Looks like the first ones are getting to the hands of the end owners. Sig forum has the first pics from one who just got the call that it was in at the local gun store.
There are also two up on gunbroker for sale. Looks like Sig did the two tone one as the first run. Still think that gun looks fugly.
I want an update on when the hunt ready one will be coming out. I wanna have plenty of time to practice with it at 25, 50, 100, and everything in between so that I am totally ready for deer season!
ALSO if its out by the time season starts I'll be taking it along with me on the first florida bear hunt in 20 years!
Please... no more 1911's in any form!
I want something different, ergonomic and innovative with capacity. Currently that piece is the Grand Power.
Quote from: Intercooler on April 04 2015 03:28:03 AM MDT
Please... no more 1911's in any form!
I want something different, ergonomic and innovative with capacity. Currently that piece is the Grand Power.
I am trying to find you a good one in 10mm! ;D
I have owned one 1911 and saw the things that made it a good one... then sold it ;D
With the rotating barrel and parts Grand Power sells to customize it, plus caliber swapping, it's the front runner right now.
I am interested in the Grand Power too. Let's see how it holds up to the Underwood, etc.
Seems that Sig saber messed up and shipped out about 50 to assorted direct dealer gun shops rather than sticking to the lipseys exclusive agreement. Apparently future ones for the next few months will still be lipseys only with the gt20 being the exception.
Hmmm, about $1500. A little too rich for me at this time.
Maybe later.
Quote from: gandog56 on April 10 2015 04:28:49 PM MDT
Hmmm, about $1500. A little too rich for me at this time.
Maybe later.
Depending on where you look. 1500 is the i want it now price. There were several on armslist for a few minutes each as low as 1090 and 8.99 shipping. Thus its really not that much more than a nice 220 in 45.
Quote from: Bruno747 on April 10 2015 05:41:48 PM MDT
Quote from: gandog56 on April 10 2015 04:28:49 PM MDT
Hmmm, about $1500. A little too rich for me at this time.
Maybe later.
Depending on where you look. 1500 is the i want it now price. There were several on armslist for a few minutes each as low as 1090 and 8.99 shipping. Thus its really not that much more than a nice 220 in 45.
Every time I read these numbers, it pushes me more towards the Glock...lol
Well, except for the fact I have yet to hold a Glock that fits in my small, short fingered hand.
Quote from: gandog56 on April 10 2015 07:21:02 PM MDT
Well, except for the fact I have yet to hold a Glock that fits in my small, short fingered hand.
Go hold a Glock 43 :P
Quote from: gandog56 on April 10 2015 07:21:02 PM MDT
Well, except for the fact I have yet to hold a Glock that fits in my small, short fingered hand.
Ya, that would be an issue. ..you like the 1911 then I imagine?
Quote from: Intercooler on April 04 2015 03:28:03 AM MDT
Please... no more 1911's in any form!
I want something different, ergonomic and innovative with capacity. Currently that piece is the Grand Power.
Ya hit em' with 10mm you don't NEED capacity. If it takes over 8 shots, you should be running, not shooting!
Unless the zombies are coming.
I think they will be nice, but I don't see myself buying one.
I'm a bit disappointed that the only model that actually had a formal preorder has missed its shipping date by almost a month while other models are in the hands of owners for weeks already.
If that gt20 hasn't shipped by the time the hunt ready one starts showing up I'm canceling my order and getting one cheaper on gunbroker.
Quote from: Bruno747 on April 26 2015 09:35:53 PM MDT
I'm a bit disappointed that the only model that actually had a formal preorder has missed its shipping date by almost a month while other models are in the hands of owners for weeks already.
If that gt20 hasn't shipped by the time the hunt ready one starts showing up I'm canceling my order and getting one cheaper on gunbroker.
Look at the people who are still waiting for VLTOR to remake the Bren 10. They have been waiting years!
Yep and I'm one of them that has been waiting on vltor to pull their head out of you know where. I would be perfectly content to see that company go under.
Except if they do go under, then no more Bren 10's!
Yes, I was in on the VLTOR/Sporting Products purchase from the beginning as well...Had my pre paid order with the local BPS. We all know how this turned out and I withdrew my payment 1 year later.
(https://s20.postimg.org/u672av0kr/BPSReciept_zpswyzd6v3b.jpg)
But when opportunity presented me with a REAL Bren Ten I jumped on it! There are a few like it but this one is mine... ;D
(https://s20.postimg.org/lb680941n/IMG_0327_zpsa5e4be10.jpg)
By the way, the cover of this book has a Bren Ten pictured just like mine sits... 8)
I thought it was a witness at first glance
Quote from: gandog56 on April 28 2015 08:19:53 AM MDT
Except if they do go under, then no more Bren 10's!
Or the rights to make it get pried from their cold dead unwilling to make a bren ten hands and VOILA another company that actually cares gets it done. I dont know who would but I see a better chance of another company making it than vltor.
10mm fan, witnesses, and bren tens are all scaled up versions of some form of CZ. Very similar.
Back on topic,
I sent Tom Gresham a message and mentioned that I was a bit bothered that the GT20 was advertised with the wording that deposit for payment in full "Assures" April first delivery. Then I ribbed him a bit about how he had to keep the year off of the listing just to be safe because he knew full well there was zero chance of getting it to owners by April 1 2015.
Sig probably moved it to the back of the pack since he changed the order to match up with the number of people ordering it Both the numbering on the side as well as the number of mags. Heck the number of mags may mean new cases (read have to rework the foam and the machine that punch out the mag slots in it) unless they just place an empty mag in the actual gun in addition to the two that sit in the fitted slots of the case.
Im betting those that ordered a gt20 are lucky if we see it by june 1
Well, since I already have 3 10mm pistols, I am in no rush to get one. I figure I'll wait a bit and see if the price goes down any. Meanwhile I'll still play with my new Mechtech/Dan Wesson Razorback 10mm combo carbine.
Sig is blaming the delay on who ever was making the gun talk grips. They told durys they will have all 300 by may 15th.
Well, just picked mine up from the FFL. I'm a Sig Stainless Elite fan. Disappointed it's a two tone, but it's a Sig 10mm. DA/SA with fixed sights. I always thought I'd have a newer version Bren Ten first. Oh, well, Dieing to take her out. The springs on this are pretty stiff. Guess it's been awhile since I've taken my S&W 10xx's out. Forgot what they did to the Bren Ten slide to get it to show up for the dimmer shots, contemplating...
Ran 200 rounds today in mine with all kinds of ammo and it was perfect.
Only problem was that it was firing low and left. ( I had the range officer fire it and he had the same problem)
Plus it is a HEAVY gun. I can now scratch off a S&W off my wish list, this is a much better gun.
Quote from: Wolfie on May 08 2015 02:09:07 PM MDT
Ran 200 rounds today in mine with all kinds of ammo and it was perfect.
Only problem was that it was firing low and left. ( I had the range officer fire it and he had the same problem)
Plus it is a HEAVY gun. I can now scratch off a S&W off my wish list, this is a much better gun.
The 220 Sig? I would like to hear how it's better than a 1006?
Here is Jeff Quinn's write-up... fresh off the press:
http://www.gunblast.com/SIG-P220-10mm.htm
Lets say comparable, shot one and I think the Sig is just as good.
It might be. I need to find one and see how the grip feels. I just had my 1006 out and front to rear feels fat. It keeps the brass in lower orbit when I shoot it as well.
http://youtu.be/892hxiVDYYM
Quinn is one cool cat.
Social work, wonder what that means.
Just realized that if what durys said is true, I will likely be out of town already when my p220 actually gets to the FFL. Hmm, guess it wont be here in time to tag along.
Story of my life :(
Wolfie, I cannot tell if you're serious or not, so...
Social Work would be the polite youtube friendly way of saying "Excellent for blowing a large ragged hole clean through an unfriendly individual" Its a excellent defensive round for the one time you hope you never have to face.
Looks like it will be a race now. Durys just called and they got in just a few gt20's. Luckily I ordered in the first few hours after the pre-order went live. They will be shipping mine this afternoon. Will it make it home before vacation? ;D
Quote from: Intercooler on May 08 2015 07:08:29 PM MDT
It might be. I need to find one and see how the grip feels. I just had my 1006 out and front to rear feels fat. It keeps the brass in lower orbit when I shoot it as well.
Problem is nobody local has them yet to try one.
Never ending saga ::), gt20's are in but Sig sent no extra mags. Those that ordered extra mags have their guns sitting there until you call and tell them to ship the gun and extra mags separate. Durys didn't tell anyone this either. If you ordered an extra mag and dont have your tracking number call them, its likely sitting on a shelf till sig gets the extra mags to durys. They have instructions to hold mine it till the 29th then ship it without the extra mag if its still not in. This way I'll be back in town when it arrives.
I've got one of the new Sig P220 Match Elite 10mm's and I LOVE it!
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Shoots good too :)
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Wow, nice! I never thought about buying a Sig, but after shooting my dad's P229 (40 S&W) this weekend, they do make a sweet gun with a great trigger!
Quote from: Sniper308 on May 24 2015 05:59:48 PM MDT
I've got one of the new Sig P220 Match Elite 10mm's and I LOVE it!
I hate you! ;D
Ive owned several 10mm's over the years.....S&W 1006, Glock 20, Glock 29, Delta Elite. I will say the sig P220 Match Elite is BY FAR THE GREATEST OF THEM ALL. This thing has been beefed up substantially by Sig to withstand a LIFETIME of full power 10mm loads. It is perfect in fit, form and function and it just plain fits my hand better than even my 1911's do. I love the DA/SA firing system.
If you can afford it, GET ONE. There is no compromise.
Quote from: Sniper308 on May 25 2015 10:47:39 AM MDT
Ive owned several 10mm's over the years.....S&W 1006, Glock 20, Glock 29, Delta Elite. I will say the sig P220 Match Elite is BY FAR THE GREATEST OF THEM ALL. This thing has been beefed up substantially by Sig to withstand a LIFETIME of full power 10mm loads. It is perfect in fit, form and function and it just plain fits my hand better than even my 1911's do. I love the DA/SA firing system.
If you can afford it, GET ONE. There is no compromise.
I finally had a chance to shoot one last week. It is definitely built well. I'm holding out for the SAO model to finally come out.
Quote from: PalmBeach on May 25 2015 05:11:09 PM MDT
Quote from: Sniper308 on May 25 2015 10:47:39 AM MDT
Ive owned several 10mm's over the years.....S&W 1006, Glock 20, Glock 29, Delta Elite. I will say the sig P220 Match Elite is BY FAR THE GREATEST OF THEM ALL. This thing has been beefed up substantially by Sig to withstand a LIFETIME of full power 10mm loads. It is perfect in fit, form and function and it just plain fits my hand better than even my 1911's do. I love the DA/SA firing system.
If you can afford it, GET ONE. There is no compromise.
I finally had a chance to shoot one last week. It is definitely built well. I'm holding out for the SAO model to finally come out.
The GT20 from Dury's IS SAO unlike the Match Elite two tone which is DA/SA :)
Rudy
Quote from: Sniper308 on May 25 2015 10:47:39 AM MDT
Ive owned several 10mm's over the years.....S&W 1006, Glock 20, Glock 29, Delta Elite. I will say the sig P220 Match Elite is BY FAR THE GREATEST OF THEM ALL. This thing has been beefed up substantially by Sig to withstand a LIFETIME of full power 10mm loads. It is perfect in fit, form and function and it just plain fits my hand better than even my 1911's do. I love the DA/SA firing system.
If you can afford it, GET ONE. There is no compromise.
Only in capacity ;D
Sorry... just had to add that, although reports are high for it :D
They need a 227 version.
Quote from: Dave84 on May 27 2015 02:10:03 PM MDT
They need a 227 version.
I'm not real sure an ally frame could take a 10mm pounding. They use a P220 frame because it is solid steel.
If a polymer frame can handle it, why not an alloy frame?
The poly matrix is flexible and has steel in key areas of wear and the alloy not so much, as to gain strength they become brittle, whereas if they are softer they will wear faster. ::)
Aluminum is very susceptible to fatigue. Steel and poly far, far less so.
No reason a 227 cannot be stainless steel entirely.
Quote from: Dave84 on May 28 2015 07:27:40 PM MDT
No reason a 227 cannot be stainless steel entirely.
Except if it was, then it would be a P220.
Quote from: gandog56 on May 29 2015 05:14:21 AM MDT
Quote from: Dave84 on May 28 2015 07:27:40 PM MDT
No reason a 227 cannot be stainless steel entirely.
Except if it was, then it would be a P220.
Uhhh....The 227 is double stack. So, no, it wouldn't be a P220, it would be a P-Too-Too-Awesome.
I just saw one in the wild at Cabela's. there weren't enough people working there to get in my hand.
1,295.00
Durys is starting to annoy me. First they have it in hand and will ship it two weeks ago Tuesday. They they shelv it with my name waiting for mags without saying anything. Now that they were supposed to ship it on the 29th whether it had extra mags or not I find out they gave mine to someone else and I have to wait till the next batch. Not good for a first purchase from them.
Any one get one of the limited GT20' s ? There's one on Armslist.
Saw that a bit earlier. $2K, no thanks.
Quote from: Harleycolt on May 31 2015 05:56:44 PM MDT
Any one get one of the limited GT20' s ? There's one on Armslist.
That's what I'm waiting on but durys keeps jerking me around.
So after no tracking number I call again today and they tell me mine has the same issue as another person where the finish on the safety is messed up. But they wouldn't bother telling me this until I call after giving me ship dates twice.
I'm pretty well sick of this crap. Sig needs to get their act together and durys needs to learn to communicate with their customers end of story.
Pretty annoyed with the way this has played out thus far. Very close to canceling my order. One more f-up and I'm done.
So without ever knowing that it shipped, I got a call from the ffl. GT20 is in, fingers crossed Sig didn't destroy the finish on this one too. Pics later tonight.
Light was wrong so it came out looking odd. Durys apparently had to go through several guns until they found one that didn't have finish issues on the safety, trigger, or hammer. Aside from one machine mark on the end of the slide, this one is flawless.
Durys hasn't received any of the magazines, so my order for an extra mag is still in with no expected fulfillment date. We will see if sig actually approves the magazine rebate despite my receipt being past the date. Supposedly durys has emails from the VP of sig stating that they will honor any of the gt20 rebates that are filed.
This was also one of the nastiest stainless guns I have ever gotten. Tons of just dirt in there, not anti-corrosion, but just plain nastiness like they shot a couple boxes through it and then just tossed it in the box.
Mags do have a bit of an odd insertion feel. If you keep it moving it really doesn't take much force, but if you go slow and stop at the mag release, then it takes lots of force to make it past it.
I will say that the hunt ready one will be terrible for hunting if its safety is as loud as this ones. Massive click sound when its turned off.
Range report to follow sometime in the next week or two. I like the weight of it, but then again, I prefer shooting my 6" Dan wesson 357 which this is similar to so I get where some think it is crazy heavy.
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Well it looks like the SAO ones have finally hit the streets. There are a bunch up on GB.
Cheapest one I saw on GB was at $905 with 6 hours to go. That isn't all that bad for a NIB 10mm.
Unfortunately more than I got right now. >:(
I just had a used one pop up in state for trade for a 10mm 1911
Quote from: Bruno747 on June 08 2015 07:52:46 PM MDTI will say that the hunt ready one will be terrible for hunting if its safety is as loud as this ones. Massive click sound when its turned off.
Range report to follow sometime in the next week or two. I like the weight of it, but then again, I prefer shooting my 6" Dan wesson 357 which this is similar to so I get where some think it is crazy heavy.
I ain't spending that kind of money for a gun to take out in the weather and bush. If I am hunting 10mm, my $500 RIA is going!
Good point !
Quote from: gandog56 on June 10 2015 02:23:33 PM MDT
Quote from: Bruno747 on June 08 2015 07:52:46 PM MDTI will say that the hunt ready one will be terrible for hunting if its safety is as loud as this ones. Massive click sound when its turned off.
Range report to follow sometime in the next week or two. I like the weight of it, but then again, I prefer shooting my 6" Dan wesson 357 which this is similar to so I get where some think it is crazy heavy.
I ain't spending that kind of money for a gun to take out in the weather and bush. If I am hunting 10mm, my $500 RIA is going!
Another couple hundred for a mid range red dot, and the cash to mill the slide or recut the sight slot so that it fits an adaptor, and you will be close to a grand on that rock island. Heck if you get the trijicon, you will be close to the $1350 I have seen a few sites list the hunt ready model for. (Even though it was out of stock) Id be willing to spend the difference to get one that has a warranty and didn't need mods to meet my wants. Plus I get higher quality items such as the barrel. My RIA is good, but the interior of that barrel is no where near the barrel on the sig. Heck the sig even has better chamber support.
Different strokes for different folks I guess, I get where you are coming from, just not my cup o tea :P
Hey if he is going hunting, His Mechtech is going...
Who is he fooling.
The thing with 10mm is sometimes you find lightly used ones in gunstores at a good price. Another one to keep my eyes open for.
Quote from: sstewart on June 11 2015 07:43:32 AM MDT
Hey if he is going hunting, His Mechtech is going...
Who is he fooling.
The hawgs might be most unhappy if I do!
So I took it to the range and beat up the ole dueling tree.
First thing, I hope SIG didn't sight this thing at the factory cause if they did they need a new guy doing that. Rear sight was almost maxed out up. At 15 yards I had to aim at the target below the one I wanted to hit. A full 18". First pistol I've ever had that shot high out of the box. Turned the sight almost all the way down and it was right on.
Man 10mm out of a 5" gun sure flings those wings around the tree. 100 rounds and not a single malfunction! I'm ready for the hunt ready model and the 4.4" now.
Sooo...I got a denial from sig sauer on the magazine rebate on the status that the receipt was not during the promotion period despite their VP stating that all gt20's would be approved whether they fell in the timeframe or not. Hurray for sig's inability to follow up on commitments.
I just...wow. Sig...just...wow.
I think instead of downing the sig, we should all be tickled to death that at least someone has come out with a new 10MM. The 10MM could be dying like alot of other good cartriges.
Quote from: K10 on July 27 2015 07:40:05 PM MDT
I think instead of downing the sig, we should all be tickled to death that at least someone has come out with a new 10MM. The 10MM could be dying like alot of other good cartriges.
Totally agree
Quote from: Bruno747 on July 06 2015 04:33:20 PM MDT
Sooo...I got a denial from sig sauer on the magazine rebate on the status that the receipt was not during the promotion period despite their VP stating that all gt20's would be approved whether they fell in the timeframe or not. Hurray for sig's inability to follow up on commitments.
I just...wow. Sig...just...wow.
You may want to check further into this. Dury's told me Sig was honoring the rebate for GT20 owners regardless of the date. I sent mine in about 10 days ago and immediately received email confirmation from Sig as well as another email stating my package had shipped. I received the 2 mags and Sig gun bag last week! Combined with the 3rd mag Sig supplied with the gun for shipping them late, that's a total of 5 mags supplied by Sig for the GT20. Not bad at all :)
Rudy