Hey all,
I have been looking for more info on the grand power 10mm that was supposed to come out. From the looks of it Eagle Imports got the first batch of pistols in. However the site shows no 10mm, the catalog shows no 10mm, and they avoid answering email questions about the 10mm like they are the black plauge.
Anyone heard anymore about us here in the USA getting hands on a 10mm?
This is the latest video I have found
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_E_murr6go&feature=youtu.be
Found a link to one for sale in....Canada
http://www.siwashsports.ca/product/grand-power-limited-p40-10mm-auto/#!prettyPhoto
Its good to see that they are going on sale, hopefully ATF will approve it for US import before too much longer.
No no no no.
Do NOT show me another maker of a 10mm pistol.
I'll only want to buy me ANOTHER one! ;)
Careful, it's a double stack.
So is my SIG P229 .40 cal. It still fits my hand, unlike a Glock. But yes, I would need to hold one in my hand before I would decide to buy one.
Grand Power responded that their P40L 10mm will not be at Shot Show. They are still waiting on BATF clearance to import it. I asked Gunblast if he could visit their booth and he said he would. Let's see if he got anything!
It will eventually be here and would be my choice for my next 10mm (if the support proves out).
For those of you who know Henning (or don't), that is him seated to the left and a good sign. I can see parts to customize, improve, etc... your Grand Power!
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How's this:
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(https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/10410333_824765947561439_6595932315311613872_n.jpg?oh=152b711daf939884e047b17f414700b2&oe=5569FD4F&__gda__=1431516358_1fc6b00cd68b0dc922bd4066c07d76ab)
Whats the barrell called?
Rotating like Beretta employs.
I would like to see a steeper angle of the barrel to see what the chamber support is really like. Can't really tell from that angle.
That being said, it looks a little bland, but that can be fixed. Eagerly awaiting this one to become available.
Does it have less parts?
Looks quite nice.
In here you will find more pictures and some details:
http://www.glockpost.com/forums/showthread.php?p=192511
Quote from: Intercooler on January 28 2015 07:14:28 PM MST
Rotating like Beretta employs.
My favourite part of IWA is the inevitable moment when the engineers from Beretta come over to our booth. They look at the clean and simple lines of our barrel and the frame mounted roller bearing, and then tear up a little. :))
Once Eagle Imports have the paperwork from BATFE and the US State Department for the 10mm and .357 SIG versions, you will see them in the US.
Quote from: Intercooler on January 24 2015 12:12:48 PM MST
For those of you who know Henning (or don't), that is him seated to the left and a good sign. I can see parts to customize, improve, etc... your Grand Power!
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/v/t1.0-9/936678_10152566710847019_6257996684201100870_n.jpg?oh=ebaa29883e1424a22956c0e11952bd07&oe=552A3D14&__gda__=1433369288_610c03feda9ea5355ec3b6e5a9b891d0)
My pictures take on a life of there own. Henning has been to the factory and our armourers course.
Canuck223, Welcome to the forum! Thanks for your post!
Best regards! :D
Thanks for stopping by! We are really excited to see these coming our way. It seems the only concern from the group is how it will do in the brass expansion department with Underwood and Buffalo Bore. Will their be different versions of the 10mm (slides, finishes, etc...)?
Quote from: Intercooler on January 29 2015 03:26:07 PM MST
Thanks for stopping by! We are really excited to see these coming our way. It seems the only concern from the group is how it will do in the brass expansion department with Underwood and Buffalo Bore. Will their be different versions of the 10mm (slides, finishes, etc...)?
There is no unsupported area in our barrels. There is a very slight radius that sits right at the extractor groove. If your ammo is to SAMMI specs, there should be no concern at all.
Besides the P40, there is a 5.0 inch version coming, and always the potential for a surprise at IWA in March.
Finishes are currently limited to our nitro-carborized (tenifer) or Boron Nitride (PVD), but may include titanium nitride or Ti-Al Nitride in the near future. We have played with them both and when it's perfect, it will ship.
Good to see the conversation is moving forward. Anyone know how long it usually takes BATF to approve a new caliber firearm for import?
Man this gets me excited! Once a there's a 10mm in the lineup, I'm interested in the entire line. Until then, I basically kind of pass them over: I'm looking for a whole "family" of pistols that operate along the same lines, so that I don't have to retrain myself from one carry pistol to the next.
This makes me want to look at the whole Grand Power line...
I wish more gun makers would realize this: a 10mm Flagship would draw in a lot of attention.
Getting itchy, GrandPower seems to have gone silent on us.
Anything new on the front, or are we still waiting for atf to quit using their pens to dig in their ears and sign the approval?
Come on grand power just a hint of a timeline.
Hey grand power...SHHHH!
Dont want you to get too loud in here.
That being said, BUMP, I want more info on when this will be available in the US. Canada has had them for some time now!
Canuck223 posted on another board that it would be "summer or fall".
Do they have a model with a safety or all of them have decockers?
OK folks, I'm going to ask for a simple favour here.
Stop flooding my e-mail, social media, and assorted PM boxes with the same question.
I get the enthusiasm, but this is entirely out of my hands.
We will ship the 10mm versions to the US just as soon as ATF give the OK.
Until that happens, every minute I spend on repeating the same message is a minute I'm not doing something productive.
Thanks for the update! I will try to keep close tabs for all the members here and relay things as they progress.
Quote from: Canuck223 on March 29 2015 06:40:19 PM MDT
OK folks, I'm going to ask for a simple favour here.
Stop flooding my e-mail, social media, and assorted PM boxes with the same question.
I get the enthusiasm, but this is entirely out of my hands.
We will ship the 10mm versions to the US just as soon as ATF give the OK.
Until that happens, every minute I spend on repeating the same message is a minute I'm not doing something productive.
Might I suggest updating the situation occasionally? I checked the Grand Power facebook page, no updates. I looked around the web and I see things that are over 6 months old. If Grand Power would occasionally give updates on the status, people wouldn't have to ask a million questions.
You thing Grand Power is bad about updates? Try the people who keep on waiting for VLTOR to bring back the Bren Ten. They announced it YEARS ago, and they still haven't put them out! They always have lame excuses of why the project has been delayed about every 6 months.
Quote from: gandog56 on March 31 2015 07:57:53 AM MDT
You thing Grand Power is bad about updates? Try the people who keep on waiting for VLTOR to bring back the Bren Ten. They announced it YEARS ago, and they still haven't put them out! They always have lame excuses of why the project has been delayed about every 6 months.
Oh believe me I know, I was on their rear every week or two. I even told them to sell it to someone that freaking cares about the project. I have been saying it for years, but they need to contract the manufacturing out. Obviously they have no clue about making firearms at the level they want to. No manufacturer that I know of has taken as long as Vltor on a complete product just to do some minor tweaks.
Quote from: Bruno747 on March 31 2015 06:30:13 PM MDT
Quote from: gandog56 on March 31 2015 07:57:53 AM MDT
You thing Grand Power is bad about updates? Try the people who keep on waiting for VLTOR to bring back the Bren Ten. They announced it YEARS ago, and they still haven't put them out! They always have lame excuses of why the project has been delayed about every 6 months.
Oh believe me I know, I was on their rear every week or two. I even told them to sell it to someone that freaking cares about the project. I have been saying it for years, but they need to contract the manufacturing out. Obviously they have no clue about making firearms at the level they want to. No manufacturer that I know of has taken as long as Vltor on a complete product just to do some minor tweaks.
As far as flooding your inbox, give us the appropriate person at the ATF to yell at over their inability to sign a freaking paper that says yes you can import the gun to the USA. I'll volunteer to send the first email. Anymore the timeframe it takes to get the ATF to do anything is utterly ridiculous. They need to be disbanded IMO. If you cant do the job in a reasonable amount of time...
Let me ask a different question, since we are talking about being productive.
Has the 10mm Grand Power been tested with the high velocity 10mm loads? Underwood, Buffalo Bore, etc?
Inquiring minds want to know..
I haven't seen any tests. I inquired about them doing it and measuring the brass. Supposedly no problem with SAAMI spec 10mm ammo.
Quote from: Intercooler on April 02 2015 08:01:46 PM MDT
I haven't seen any tests. I inquired about them doing it and measuring the brass. Supposedly no problem with SAAMI spec 10mm ammo.
I am wondering if the manufacturer put the gun through its paces with full power ammo.
I don't think they have the ammo offerings we have here. When it's here and released I offered to send a selection for testing ;)
Quote from: Intercooler on April 02 2015 08:13:27 PM MDT
I don't think they have the ammo offerings we have here. When it's here and released I offered to send a selection for testing ;)
Cool. 8)
It needs to run everything I shoot in my others without issue... 135 Noslers, 200-230 Hardcast, etc...
Quote from: Intercooler on April 02 2015 08:18:40 PM MDT
It needs to run everything I shoot in my others without issue... 135 Noslers, 200-230 Hardcast, etc...
I completely agree.
New update...
Approval for the USA was completed. I was told today, expect to see them in 100 days or less.
This is for the 4.25" model and not the 5".
Why not the 5 inch model? That's the one I would buy.
It hasn't made it through red tape yet.
Blasted red tape.
If it has a safety and no decocker I will likely buy it and be reminded why I didn't like the rotating barrel on the beretta cougar.
Seems everyone is going bananas over this thing... Has anyone even held one or shot one? I don't think so in the US but any Canucks out there that have? Also this is a polymer gun and it looks like around eight and a half to nine hundred dollars ? what would be the advantage of this over say in elite witness??? I agree it looks cool and should be lighter than others...but how would it compare.to the other polymer gun that's almost half the price? I'm new to the 10 millimeters and looking to buy another one so these are serious questions and you guys with the knowledge and expertise I'd really like to pick your brains on this.
Quote from: will965 on April 08 2015 08:04:15 PM MDT
Seems everyone is going bananas over this thing... Has anyone even held one or shot one? I don't think so in the US but any Canucks out there that have? Also this is a polymer gun and it looks like around eight and a half to nine hundred dollars ? what would be the advantage of this over say in elite witness??? I agree it looks cool and should be lighter than others...but how would it compare.to the other polymer gun that's almost half the price? I'm new to the 10 millimeters and looking to buy another one so these are serious questions and you guys with the knowledge and expertise I'd really like to pick your brains on this.
I think in large part it's something new. I have 4 10mm's 3 of them 1911's and a polymer witness and I've formally had both the glock 20 and 29(I will get another 20) You do have a valid point though with the witness steel. I will add I highly doubt I would like it over either of my rock islands.
Quote from: 10mmfan on April 08 2015 10:06:15 PM MDT
I think in large part it's something new. I have 4 10mm's 3 of them 1911's and a polymer witness and I've formally had both the glock 20 and 29(I will get another 20) You do have a valid point though with the witness steel. I will add I highly doubt I would like it over either of my rock islands.
I agree....I got my first 10mm, rock island ms tac, commander size....while I really like this it is back in the shop for jamming issues......I am now looking for a.larger, hi cap model...ie; glock 20/40, witness elite match and maybe even the grand power....I think it's great we are getting more and more choices but me being a 10mm newbie, I am doing as much research as I can.
Glad to hear at least one made it through the system. Is the 4.25 a full size grip the way a 1911 commander is?
To those who don't understand the excitement. I'm excited because its another 10mm coming to the market. The more that appear the more my 10mm collection grows and the more likely a 10mm M&P appears someda. The grand power fits something I really want which is a polymer gun that has a solid history and isn't a ghastly glock. Too many horror stories with witnesses for me to consider one.
yes the 4.25 barrel commander size still has the full size grip. it takes the 45 full-size mags easily. I only have one mag so far the Metal form mag but it's horribly unreliable with any of those other mags... hopefully when I get back from the shop it'll shoot much better and I'm planning on buying several metalforms mags for it as that seems to be the only one that's halfway decent.and yes I think I'm done with the 10 millimeter 1911 I'm looking for the high capacity possibly polymer gun or maybe a steel witness still haven't decided yet still researching.
8 to 900? No thanks...
$900 seems to be the new $500 gun. Makes Glock, EAA and RIA look really good.
Quote from: sqlbullet on April 10 2015 10:37:44 AM MDT
$900 seems to be the new $500 gun. Makes Glock, EAA and RIA look really good.
+1 on this......true story
Quote from: rw on April 10 2015 10:01:20 AM MDT
8 to 900? No thanks...
My Dan Wesson cost more. My Fusion Firearms longslide 10mm cost a LOT more.
Heck, I just spent $700 something on a Mechtech CCU for 10mm.
Another update today!
I was told soon you can pre-order 8) Here is a link to the .357 Sig/10mm for specs:
http://www.grandpower.eu/kategoria-16-clanok-24-detail-p40-#ad-image-0
What David could relay on the trigger pull:
3.5-3.75 DA and 8.5-9.0 SA
The DA isn't super light, but it doesn't have any creep or staginess to it.
The single action is better than most 1911's
In here you will find a good write-up with pictures. The author basically laid out the CZ grip feel and how it come about.
http://www.glockpost.com/forums/showthread.php?p=78734
I want the Limited Edition color scheme.
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If I can get a backstrap that matches the rest of the frame, depending on the finish Ill take the top one. :D After having an M&P, I really don't care for blueing unless it melanite.
Bit bilboardy on the text though imo.
I wonder if parts would be readily available to custom make your own.
I don't know, it must be a double stack and I have rather small hands.
Quote from: gandog56 on May 05 2015 07:30:46 AM MDT
I don't know, it must be a double stack and I have rather small hands.
Have you tried the witness? My wife likes it more than my 1911's she said it feels thinner.
The witness grip is very ergonomic. It feels and probably is a bit smaller than a 1911.
No, I have 3 different manufacturer's 1911 10 mm pistols. Dan Wesson, RIA, and Fusion Firearms. My hand works with any of them.
Witness grip > 1911 grip :-*
Maybe, but a Witness is a Witness. ;)
One day you also will own one and wonder why you waited so long 8)
Nothing wrong with double stacks bro. I believe you own and love a 229? I've had xdm's, a ppq, my two witnesses, Sr40c, m&p all feel slimmer than sigs. I know we have different hands but not all double stacks are glock 10/45 size.
Quote from: Dave84 on May 05 2015 09:03:06 PM MDT
Nothing wrong with double stacks bro.
There is if they are too fat for my small short fingered hand! Glocks are too big to be comfortable, also the grip angle just seems wrong to me.
The Glock 10mm, 45 frame is probably one of the most unfriendly grips ever made. I'd say just about anything else is much better as far as grip thickness goes. Am I missing anything? I know deagles are a handful. Never held a hipoint and probably never will.
I don't know...I would have to disagree somewhat.
Once you get used to it, the grip really helps to dampen the 10mm recoil. That is my experience, and YMMV.
Too fat for many hands though. I shoot it just fine but I'm not a fan of not being able to one hand manipulate all the controls without adjusting my grip.
Yes...that is indeed an issue.
Now if Glock ever made a 10mm that looked like this..................................
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Quote from: gandog56 on May 08 2015 07:13:27 PM MDT
Now if Glock ever made a 10mm that looked like this..................................
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Now that's like the pot calling the kettle black!
Anyone seen anywhere to order one in the USA yet?
I called Eagle Imports the other day and gave them my number for notification. It sounded more like end of the year to me.
I spoke with Eagle this morning and this isn't going to be here this year. If you are holding out waiting (like myself), move on to your other option. This thing might never make it and I'm moving on!
That's a damn shame, I was looking forward to the Grand Power as being something different (non 1911) in the 10mm chambering... :-[
Oh well only time will tell. I continually bug VLTOR on their FB page about the Bren Ten;
Here is my post to VLTOR about the Larry Vickers Video...
How does VLTOR feel about this video from Larry Vickers...
There first response;
QuoteVltor Hi Wade, we saw this video last week. We do agree with a lot of what Larry has to say. If anyone knows the difficulties surrounding the Bren, it would definitely be us.
My return response;
All I can say I prove him wrong! And make it the best damn Bren Ten pistols ever! Don't let this pass us by! While it may not have been perfect, as D & D made them on simpler machines and by hand, it did work! Its not like VLTOR is trying to build and sustain its organization on this pistol. With the modern CNC machinery, they could be made and sold for a profit. The true 10mm community is still waiting, so don't let it fail!
There second response;
QuoteVltor We are putting everything we got into it. One of the largest problems is that we don't want to put a pistol out there that won't be of our quality.
I continually post to push them on their FB page, I really would like to see VLTOR prove that this curse thing is bullshit! :roll:
It might be here next year if you feel like waiting. That 45-90 day bit is for sure pure BS! That's enough for me to say have fun selling them if they arrive.
Quote from: Intercooler on April 08 2015 11:23:06 AM MDT
New update...
Approval for the USA was completed. I was told today, expect to see them in 100 days or less.
Something does not add up here, they told you they were approved back then but now they say we wont see them till next year. That doesnt make sense, I seriously doubt an import permit could be that open ended time wise.
Sounds like they have issues they dont want to announce so they are stalling
Quote from: Intercooler on June 25 2015 09:17:24 AM MDT
It might be here next year if you feel like waiting. That 45-90 day bit is for sure pure BS! That's enough for me to say have fun selling them if they arrive.
That is my sentiment exactly, and why i qouted your earlier post. pricing was a big stretch on a virtually unknown gun and the importer or whatever he is seems short fused(canuk ) You dont win customers over by stalling and ranting about being bothered when they ask questions.
I have to agree with you. Too much crap for most to bear.
Sounded interesting but with all the B.S. I can easily take a pass if it ever does come out. Don't quite understand why a company would string you along like that though.
They can still post some impressive videos though.
Disappointed to hear this though I am not surprised, I never heard of them till the p40l showed up in 10mm. Actually I kinda expected this. Vaporware in the US just like the bren ten from vltor.
I agree with some of the others here that were a little concerned when a "rep" of the company got annoyed at our questions when they chose to go silent. That definitely raised some red flags.
Ill look at it if it ever comes out, but they really screwed up their big shot. They had a good bit of chatter going then just failed to back it up.
I just got an email reply back from VLTOR for a query I sent them about their plans for bringing back the Bren 10. Same old, same old. Yeah we're gonna do it, no we are not announcing when yet.
Been waiting for over 2 years now. :-\
Quote from: gandog56 on July 04 2015 09:39:41 AM MDT
I just got an email reply back from VLTOR for a query I sent them about their plans for bringing back the Bren 10. Same old, same old. Yeah we're gonna do it, no we are not announcing when yet.
Been waiting for over 2 years now. :-\
Well, if you read the Jan. 2015 "update" by Vltor's CEO on the website - and, yes, you have to read it
really close - it sounds like they want to at least get the "Legacy" model vetted with final engineering mods, built in numbers, and marketed in 2016.
So I'm thinking, if Vltor follows through on that outline, we'd possibly see the first models at the 2016 SHOT (?) ...
Yeah, just thinking out loud ... ;D
Well as far as me thinking out loud. I think by the time they get the legacy model out it's only going to appeal to people that already have a real Bren and want to have the same thing to shoot
For people that don't have a real Bren,. They might as well buy a witness.
Hopefully CZ will see the light and offer a 10 mm by then
How about a 10 mm Accu shadow with a . 40 barrel for the competition shooter.
Now I'm getting greedy I guess
I am not holding my breath for either the Grand Power or the VLTOR Bren Ten remake...However both would be a nice addition to the herd and to shoot!
BTW - I do pester the VLTOR group on their FaceBook page trying to let them know we are still waiting for deployment.
What is the proposed price on the Veltor?
Quote from: sstewart on July 04 2015 01:19:57 PM MDT
For people that don't have a real Bren,. They might as well buy a witness.
Hopefully CZ will see the light and offer a 10 mm by then
Well, Tanfoglio's high-end guns, like the Stock & Match pistols, apparently are shootable out of the box without issues, and have held up well to real 10mm pounding, once properly sprung.
The standard 10mm Witnesses, out-of-the-box, are hit-or-miss. That reflects spotty Q.C. and makes them junk in my book.
And then you've got no choice but to deal w/ EAA on warranty & customer service issues, rather than Tanfoglio directly, if you send it back.
It takes a bit to chap me and this one qualifies. I guess as they say, it ends as it begins. The harsh responses set the tone and with deleting of my comment this morning, I'm personally totally out on this one. If it ever shows up, some followers of the brand might buy it, but it gets the negative stamp with proof from me.
They deleted your comment on their facebook or something?
Not one theirs, but the sales guy. Somehow Eagle and the sales guy aren't on the same page on when/if it will show up here.
Odd that they deleted your comment. Not good for business.
Quote from: Intercooler on July 14 2015 05:17:43 PM MDT
Not one theirs, but the sales guy. Somehow Eagle and the sales guy aren't on the same page on when/if it will show up here.
Let us know where you posted it and Ill add it to my pester weekly list.
Sent some more messages to each of facebook pages, eagle imports and grand power. Keep on them guys!
Just got a response back...get this...according to eagle imports. Despite Canuck telling us that the smaller version was approved by the ATF, none of the models have been approved.
So yeah, plan on a few more months yet.
Yea. Forget that company and all the crazy talk...
I just sent a heated email to eagle asking why they don't care that something submitted over 7 months ago which is supposed to take at most 3 hasn't come back. I suggested they start looking into whetether atf isn't doing its job, grand power is lying, or if the person responding to the inquiry is just falling back on the excuse waiting for approval to stall for time.
I am genuinely perplexed how any of these companies stay in business with so much deceit and piss poor performance of getting things done. I have started to refer to grand power as vltor reborn to my friends.
Grand power and vltor should merge, it would be the ultimate stall for time annoy customer yet still somehow stay in business powerhouse.
I get how VLTOR stays around. Their AR business is their bread and butter, and the Bren-Ten was just a fun side project. Grand on the other hand....
Maybe, but to tell people for literally years back yeah we're bringing back the Bren Ten, and STILL saying it and still nothing....I'm not sure.
I actually understand the desire for these pistols- held a grand power Excalibur - I was most impressed!!!
http://www.triggerwholesale.com/product/grand-power-limited-p40-10mm-auto
Quote from: Intercooler on August 01 2015 07:45:35 PM MDT
http://www.triggerwholesale.com/product/grand-power-limited-p40-10mm-auto
Interesting to see it in that price range.
It is interesting...didn't have a buy button though... ::)
It's honestly the size and type 10mm I need for the collection. Too bad it's Vaporware for a long while though. If MSRP is $890... maybe $750 in certain locations?
I held a 9mm at my local gun store / range. The fit and finish were nice, but I couldn't see spending that kind of cash on a polymer gun.
Quote from: 4949shooter on August 01 2015 08:20:06 PM MDT
Quote from: Intercooler on August 01 2015 07:45:35 PM MDT
http://www.triggerwholesale.com/product/grand-power-limited-p40-10mm-auto
Interesting to see it in that price range.
I assume you guys noticed that is a Canadian dealer so I would assume the price is in Canadian dollars. With it currently taking 1.30 Canadian to equal 1.00 US I would think the US price would be a bit lower.
Actually, I saw the X Caliber model in my LGS and the price was very much comparable.
They should have them in Canada I would think. Not much talk about them anywhere... even on YouTube.
Anyone still holding their breath for it :o We would all be dead by now ;D
Quote from: Intercooler on September 12 2015 07:24:57 PM MDT
Anyone still holding their breath for it :o We would all be dead by now ;D
I shoot them an email every other month just to annoy them. Posted on Canucks youtube video again cause that was about the only way to get him to respond in the past.
However now we know just how much to trust grand power and any of their cronies.
I hear Glock is coming out with a long slide MOS version.
I still likes me Fusion Firearms long slide Hunter.
So I asked if the 10mm was just perpetually stuck in atf approval He## or if grand power was lying about bringing the 10mm to the US all along.
The response was the typical we are waiting on atf approval.
Still don't understand how they are fine with an approval process that supposedly takes less than 3 months taking 9+ on this one.
Quote from: gandog56 on September 13 2015 06:34:11 AM MDT
I still likes me Fusion Firearms long slide Hunter.
No doubt! Just not really a carry piece ;D ;D
Tru dat! (As they say in Louisiana)
Yeah but should you carry it and someone ask to see it, you can channel the blazing saddles moment.
Scuze me while I whip this out.
Lol I was hoping to hear about the 10mm. But I knew there was no way.
I hope I am wrong, but my gut feeling is never gonna happen.
Quote from: sqlbullet on October 16 2015 08:27:04 AM MDT
I hope I am wrong, but my gut feeling is never gonna happen.
Your gut feeling is correct, it doesn't take this long to get ATF approval on a firearm that already has approval in another caliber. Canuk has been removing posts that he controls as well. His Dave Copping youtube channel seems to have any post about the 10mm mysteriously disappear.
I suggest that we get on their main forum and make our voices heard. Canuk actually still replies on that forum.
http://www.grandpower.eu/forum/viewforum.php?f=9&sid=5590cb23ab2e7002218d0a7ce9d0357e
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Great post :D
I asked Eagle about the status a day or two ago... Response:
As far as we have been told, it is! We are waiting government approvals. Once we have more information, we will be sure to announce on our GP Facebook page.
It seems like it will be, but for sure not on the timeline we were presented. Maybe next year!
The follow-up:
it will be next year. probably 1st quarter.
If and when they make it here I may fondle one at a gun shop. It would need to be VERY good for me to buy one at this point though. I would rather have a SAR K2 in 10mm anyway. How about we start pushing SAR and EAA to get these going. I think they were being made at one time. Let's put some pressure out there to get them.
The SAR is a Witness knock-off. I think this might be the plastic gun some of us want compared to what's currently available.
I'm seeing a bunch of FB feedback on Henning's page:
https://www.facebook.com/henning.wallgren/posts/10153117941002019?comment_id=10153118027382019&offset=0&total_comments=9¬if_t=feed_comment_reply
Perhaps WE should all call Eagle as suggested.
Quote from: Intercooler on October 19 2015 05:09:29 PM MDT
The SAR is a Witness knock-off. I think this might be the plastic gun some of us want compared to what's currently available.
Not quite a Witness knock-off.
(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s625/Joseph_Daugert/IMG_1115_zps5gtpuxe7.jpg)
The K2 is a fantastic all steel 40 oz. 14+1 .45. I am using a Sprinco made for a Witness that fits perfectly and an 18 LB. recoil spring and shooting Underwood .45 super. (not recommending it cause I don't want to be responsible for your choices in life) This would be a helluva nice 10mil if we could get them here.
It doesn't offer anything over the Witness line and the Xtremes are just now starting to become available.
Not sure about the 10mil version but the .45 offers a higher flush mag capacity than a Tanfo.
They are both derived from the CZ-75 design, but I think the SAR version is a little better than the Witness. But, I have never shot one so it is a null comparison.
Quote from: sqlbullet on October 20 2015 08:49:51 AM MDT
They are both derived from the CZ-75 design, but I think the SAR version is a little better than the Witness. But, I have never shot one so it is a null comparison.
The .45 super I'm shooting out of mine are about the same energy as full power 10mm. If the 10mil version has the same feel and an increased capacity, it would DEFINITELY be the new must have 10. I'm pretty happy with a 15 round .45 super but this gun with, like, 17 rounds of 10mm goodness.........that would be a great handgun. If anyone here has the ability to dig deeper to get info on what was/is the production 10mm SAR offering it might be worthwhile to start some begging by the US masses to get it imported. ;D
Long dead. Absolute no from EAA.
Doesn't surprise me.
Of course, the 10mm is gaining some in popularity.
Quote from: Intercooler on October 19 2015 06:11:48 PM MDT
I'm seeing a bunch of FB feedback on Henning's page:
https://www.facebook.com/henning.wallgren/posts/10153117941002019?comment_id=10153118027382019&offset=0&total_comments=9¬if_t=feed_comment_reply
Perhaps WE should all call Eagle as suggested.
Humorous, Dave Copping is telling us its already approved...as he did in the past, eagle imports is saying that it is not.
Round and round we go. Ill call eagle imports tomorrow and raise some stink. Any more, it's just a mission to me to find out who is lying.
I got this just now from David:
OK, I just got an e-mail from Eagle Imports. Your name and a Daniel were mentioned specifically.
I don't know what language was used with the ladies at Eagle Imports but if the goal was to let them know your interest in the 10mm variants, it backfired, badly. I'm going to suggest if your language or tone was anything less than gentlemanly, you consider an apology. If you know who Daniel is, let me know and I will deliver the same message.
I don't know who Daniel is, but know for a fact I haven't spoken to any lady at Eagle Imports and my last call was months ago to a gentleman. Not one bad/foul, etc... word by me said to him. I'm smelling some more lies, especially where I'm concerned. Is Daniel from here??
Cripes. Enough is enough with these people.
It for sure is really nutty :o
It would be better if some one other than the Eagle Imports was trying to bring these in... ???
Quote from: Da/Sa Fan on October 20 2015 12:57:56 PM MDT
Quote from: sqlbullet on October 20 2015 08:49:51 AM MDT
I'm pretty happy with a 15 round .45 super but this gun with, like, 17 rounds of 10mm goodness.........that would be a great handgun.
Fusion Firearms Grand Sport 10mm is 16 +1 of "10MM goodness". Tracy
Geez ask these people where the miscommunication between all involved parties is and they get upset.
One side says its approved, another says it isn't. All I wanna know is when I will be able to order one and why the 10mm seems to be stuck in the approval queue yet the other calibers came through fine.
I do find it humorous that Dave removed his post from the henning facebook page where he said the P40 in 10mm was already approved and that P40L variants would be coming over for approval in the next shipment or two. Should have taken a screenshot of that.
Found another post on his page stating the same information. Also, check out his last post, seems I rubbed him the wrong way by using his own statements and asking grand power why they give different information.
Quote from: TSP45ACP on October 20 2015 06:33:45 PM MDT
Quote from: Da/Sa Fan on October 20 2015 12:57:56 PM MDT
Quote from: sqlbullet on October 20 2015 08:49:51 AM MDT
I'm pretty happy with a 15 round .45 super but this gun with, like, 17 rounds of 10mm goodness.........that would be a great handgun.
Fusion Firearms Grand Sport 10mm is 16 +1 of "10MM goodness". Tracy
Very nice pistol but single action (I prefer SA/DA for carry) and quite a bit over my pay grade. The .45 SAR is a 500.00 gun. But yeah, NICE!
Oh my :o You are correct! I see he has removed what he said about them being available and that's fine because we all saw it when it was there. Somehow he is really out of the "actual loop" and that's been the biggest tire deflator in this whole thing.
I see no reason why it should be a bother to ask for buyer information to someone that knows the facts. It's when they don't...
Sales guy.
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Yeah, but I don't know if a double stack 10mm gun would fit in my rather small short fingered hand. Which is why I don't have a Desert Eagle in .44 mag or .357 mag, or a LAR Grizzly in .45 mag.
Most of the double stack 1911's out there aren't hugely bigger than a since stack 1911. They accomplish this by using wafer thin grip panels. The geometry is different, but the overall circumference is pretty close.
Gandog,
I'm in the same situation as you. Short stubby fingers.
Have you ever tried a Para Ordnance with a short trigger installed?
I have a late 90s vintage P16 I use for Limited division USPSA.
With a Short trigger, I can just manage it.
If you can afford the coin, SV offers a small steel frame wide body option custom built from mild to wild. I've shot a few of these over the last season and am thinking of having one built to replace the old Para.
Jeff
Quote from: Da/Sa Fan on October 20 2015 07:47:26 PM MDT
Quote from: TSP45ACP on October 20 2015 06:33:45 PM MDT
Quote from: Da/Sa Fan on October 20 2015 12:57:56 PM MDT
Quote from: sqlbullet on October 20 2015 08:49:51 AM MDT
I'm pretty happy with a 15 round .45 super but this gun with, like, 17 rounds of 10mm goodness.........that would be a great handgun.
I have the SAR k2p it's a reliable gun but it feels like it was made from legos and it also isn't rated for +p. I paid around $250 for it new.
Fusion Firearms Grand Sport 10mm is 16 +1 of "10MM goodness". Tracy
Very nice pistol but single action (I prefer SA/DA for carry) and quite a bit over my pay grade. The .45 SAR is a 500.00 gun. But yeah, NICE!
Quote from: 4949shooter on October 20 2015 05:23:05 PM MDT
Cripes. Enough is enough with these people.
I'm telling you, they don't even hold a candle to making you wait like VLTOR who is supposedly supposed to bring back the Bren 10.
Yes I think their round tuit machines are still on order on that one
It's looking like a new batch will be in sometime in the next 3-4 weeks. I wonder where the range reports are?
Intercooler, have you talked to Henning? Is he expecting to get some?
He is hoping to get some in their next shipment.
Eagle told me today 2 weeks until the 10's are here.
Did they give you any idea as to how many?
They didn't give the amount. I would phone up Henning and reserve one. He might now how many are coming to him directly.
For anyone reading and interested... please post if you want one and I will pass it on to Henning for him to reserve them in the next batch. He ordered three and all are spoken for already. He needs a count to get more.
One of the three should be mine. I placed the order just before SHOT show.
I have one too. If anyone else wants one I will relay it to Henning.
Just got a note from Henning and it wasn't favorable.
Bad news Henning. The shipment is coming, but there are no 10mm guns on it. Vratko tells me that they don¹t have any magazines for the guns.
They tell me to expect them in the next shipment which will not be for 4 weeks.
That was the email from Eagle...
So I would say go for something else. It's just starting to be pretty nutty about these pistols!
Quote from: Intercooler on April 04 2016 05:42:14 PM MDT
Just got a note from Henning and it wasn't favorable.
Bad news Henning. The shipment is coming, but there are no 10mm guns on it. Vratko tells me that they don¹t have any magazines for the guns.
They tell me to expect them in the next shipment which will not be for 4 weeks.
That was the email from Eagle...
So I would say go for something else. It's just starting to be pretty nutty about these pistols!
What re they Dornaus and Dixon?
My Witness pistols have been extremely good to me and done so awesome with 10mm rounds. I'm sticking with them!
Quote from: 4949shooter on April 04 2016 06:17:19 PM MDT
What re they Dornaus and Dixon?
Hilarious, I was just thinking that as I was reading intercooler's post.
I still have yet to see a single range report from one of these guns. Not that I have been looking that hard. But still, just too darn funny.
Quote from: Intercooler on April 04 2016 05:42:14 PM MDT
Just got a note from Henning and it wasn't favorable.
Intercooler, I guess Henning likes you more than me! I sent him an email Monday morning asking if he had heard anything from Eagle. I have not gotten a response. Oh well!
I have the direct line :P
If you have one ordered it will still be here on 4 weeks.
Is Henning going to be getting the 4.25" P40 Pistols or one of the 5" Models? I am interested in one day f these pistols as reports of brass not traveling 12 feet away has me thing the Grand Power's rotating barrel May of solved the problem of rapid unlocking the Browning design has. Cost sounds good as well as weight so the pistol could be more carry friendly.
Henning can order you one. He will have some in 3 weeks.