Knowing how impressive the penetration is on top of a 10mm round, would it be "too good?"
Pat
Nope.
Sure would....for defense against black bear.
Once you get past 18-24", no gains in effectiveness. With no expansion, a round that penetrates 36" in flesh will be effectively no better than the same one that penetrates 24". The whole point of an expanding projectile is to trade some or all of that excess penetration into making a larger hole. I'll gladly trade the extra 20" of excess penetration to get a 0.6-0.7" diameter projectile at 16" depth.
-Ben
Quote from: 4949shooter on May 06 2015 07:39:46 PM MDT
Sure would....for defense against black bear.
Maybe. I guess. If rather use 220 gr hard cast with a nice, flat meplat.
Not in town or any urban environment.
I think it would be a pretty decent self defense option in a rural setting or if you were say running a Glock 20 with factory barrel. I'd feel comfortable carrying 15 + 1 of them on my side in non-grizzly woods.
Specially if the black bears were were level IIa body armor :)).
But again for much less than $1.90 a round, several other options come to mind 1st.
I shot my Glock 20 at the range yesterday. After a while I was thinking "why do I have a 10mm." I can shoot 45 Super out of my Glock 21 which has close to the same amount of energy as the 10mm. I would never use it for home defense. My 9mm is good enough for that. The only advantage a 10mm has over a 45 Super is magazine capacity. It is still fun to shoot.
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In conclusion of using a 10mm in TODAYS offerings for self defense of 2 legged foes on street. Better be prepared to ON TOP of normal attack by other side to articulate ones choice of such. Also it revolves around territory. As mu h as I enjoy the mighty 10, it is reserved in a limited scope. SHTF, GLOVES OFF. Work on head shots and groin areas. Also a backup piece.
Possibly.....
Quote from: my_old_glock on May 07 2015 05:53:32 PM MDT
I shot my Glock 20 at the range yesterday. After a while I was thinking "why do I have a 10mm." I can shoot 45 Super out of my Glock 21 which has close to the same amount of energy as the 10mm. I would never use it for home defense. My 9mm is good enough for that. The only advantage a 10mm has over a 45 Super is magazine capacity. It is still fun to shoot.
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And sectional density and bullet weights and power... but who's counting :)
In any of the 10mm I carry for self defense I load them up with Hornady 180 grain XTP. The exception is my Glock 20 woods walking I load 220 grain WFN
I would use it in a rural setting where there might be a possibility of encountering a bear or hogs. Otherwise no!
In a rual setting maybe. Otherwise no.
Quote from: dakota1911 on May 09 2015 05:47:40 PM MDT
In a rual setting maybe. Otherwise no.
Very true.....OVER penetration is a huge concern....in a bad incident when forced to shoot, you may hit what you are aiming at...but what are you going to hit behind it?
Almost any bullet will pass through an attacker and continue on downrange. The difference in downrange risk for a bullet that penetrates 14" of tissue or one that penetrates twice as much is probably not significant. Both COULD harm a person downrange and both are extremely unlikely to do so. If you disagree with that statement, please direct us to an incident where a bullet fired by a private citizen in a justified shooting passed through the bad guy and harmed an uninvolved third party.
The Extreme Penetrator is a stupid round because it doesn't do anything better than other, less expensive rounds.
Im a fan of penetration for home defense. I speculate that most of the individuals on the receiving end of a fired round, will stand "squared off" with the shooter. And the human body isn't ballistic gelatin. You have to overcome clothing, muscle, and bone.
Imagine shooting someone 6ft 3inches, a muscular 220 lbs, wearing a jacket. And it's his intention to return fire, while fleeing. His upper body is turned, left shoulder is closest to you, right arm is the furthest away, gun in hand. In this scenero, a shot to his shoulder needs to "pass through" clothing, skin tissue, muscles, break bones and continue inward.
It's my opinion heavy bullets are great for self defense.
That's why the FBI wanted 12-18" of penetration. It's only about 6" through the heart, but they want to be able to penetrate the heart from any angle, including through the arm.
The jacket and clothing, at worst, will turn your hollowpoint into an extreme penetrator.
For the money you're paying, you can at least get a "slow" hollowpoint (as in is late to expand and will penetrate deep). Nothing wrong with going deep, as all service pistol bullets will pass through a LOT unless they hit water/flesh. Look at penetration as a resource. After 24", you're not buying yourself anything (for personal defense against people). You may as well spend some of that penetration on expansion.
-Ben
I completely agree on deep penetration for defense with a handgun. And I kinda find all the concern about over-penetration amusing. In police shooting, as I recall the stats, 80% of the shots they fire miss the target. Talk about over penetration!
For my home, I have a plan, I know my zones of fire, and won't take a shot when I am not sure of what is beyond.