I have been looking for a new combat shot gun . I like the Vepr 12 but Auto Loaders are kind of finicky about the ammo you feed them ,so I think I will go with a pump action shot gun . So far the UTAS UTS-15 looks like it may be a good choice ? I am looking for every ones opinion on this combat shot gun .
TIA,
I have handled a couple of pump action bull-pup shotties. I always feel like I would shoot my hand off.
Quote from: sqlbullet on July 31 2015 08:30:28 AM MDT
I have handled a couple of pump action bull-pup shotties. I always feel like I would shoot my hand off.
Thank you very much for your reply , and help .
My nephew has the KEL TEC KSG BULLPUP 14RD 12GA 18", while it has an intended purpose of CQC, heavy but compact for what it brings to the table. I have shot it but just don't see me using it.
I like the flexibility of my Rem 870 where I can swap barrels 30" Full and 20" riot barrel.
Good luck with your decision...
Quote from: The_Shadow on July 31 2015 11:00:03 AM MDT
My nephew has the KEL TEC KSG BULLPUP 14RD 12GA 18", while it has an intended purpose of CQC, heavy but compact for what it brings to the table. I have shot it but just don't see me using it.
I like the flexibility of my Rem 870 where I can swap barrels 30" Full and 20" riot barrel.
Good luck with your decision...
Shadow , thank you very much for your help . I know the 870 is an excellent shot gun , but I'm looking for something outside the box .
The Vepr 12 looks good as far as rapid fire , and fast reload , but most auto loader shot guns don't like light load rounds .
This would be something I might be interested in, even if it had to have a 18" barrel for the US.
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2015/03/04/sap-6-shotgun-review-turkish-ultrashort-mag-fed-canada/
Quote from: sqlbullet on July 31 2015 04:02:59 PM MDT
This would be something I might be interested in, even if it had to have a 18" barrel for the US.
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2015/03/04/sap-6-shotgun-review-turkish-ultrashort-mag-fed-canada/
Thank you very much for the help , and the link , that looks very interesting . I may have to really check in to this .
Quote from: Tomcat 10 on July 31 2015 03:41:23 PM MDT
Quote from: The_Shadow on July 31 2015 11:00:03 AM MDT
My nephew has the KEL TEC KSG BULLPUP 14RD 12GA 18", while it has an intended purpose of CQC, heavy but compact for what it brings to the table. I have shot it but just don't see me using it.
I like the flexibility of my Rem 870 where I can swap barrels 30" Full and 20" riot barrel.
Good luck with your decision...
Shadow , thank you very much for your help . I know the 870 is an excellent shot gun , but I'm looking for something outside the box .
The Vepr 12 looks good as far as rapid fire , and fast reload , but most auto loader shot guns don't like light load rounds .
I had a saiga 12 once. It never liked Winchester white box. That's because of the gunpowder never developed enough gas to really cycle it. The federal target loads were fine with it.
Of course all hunting and defense loads worked fine with it also.
I need to brush up on the details of the ATF laws surrounding a pistol grip only gun chambered in 12 gauge. As I think I recall this, such a gun is not a shotgun, but an other, so as long as the overall length stays over 26" you can cut the barrel down some. So a mossy 500 with a 6" action and a six inch horn grip at the rear could have a 14.5" barrel and be legal, if it originally shipped as a pistol grip only gun.
At least that is what I recall. Will have to discuss this with my FFL when I pick up my AR lowers in a week or so.
Yes SQL bullet is correct. This gun came with regular stock as a rifle and required a percentage of US parts to be changed to make it legal to have a A.R. stock.
This thread is a bit long in the tooth, but sine nobody has replied who actually owns a UTAS....
We bought one because it fit my short stature wife and she felt comfortable with it (lucky me!!). I'm very happy with the design, the only weakness I ca find is that you must smartly rack the slide as it is prone to mis-feed if you don't snap the forearm back with authority. Other than that, it is a great shotty. The trigger is excellent, especially for a bull pup.
It has a leg up on the Kel-Tec KSG in multiple dimensions. #1, overall design and quality. #2, the tube selector can be set left, right, or alternating from both tubes. So for someone less experienced like my wife, I can leave it i the middle and she has 15 rounds without thinking. THe KSG must be switched between tubes. Even worse, the KSG selector is underneath the stock and I would not want to need to locate that in a dark, high-stress situate. The UTAS selector is on top in line-of-sight, so if you need to you can manipulate it with minimal disruption to situational awareness.
I also own a Saiga 12 which I converted. They can be made completely reliable with light loads, it just requires making sure you have proper gas and, even more importantly, appropriately profiling the bolt and hammer. Anyone half competent with a dremel can do this.