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Politics => Political discussion => Topic started by: my_old_glock on August 28 2015 08:17:11 AM MDT

Title: The 2nd amendment now applies to illegal aliens.
Post by: my_old_glock on August 28 2015 08:17:11 AM MDT

The 2nd amendment now applies to illegal aliens.

http://news.yahoo.com/court-people-us-illegally-carry-guns-164502032.html

QuoteThe 7th Circuit panel, however, ruled unanimously Thursday that the term "the people" in the Second Amendment's guarantee that the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed also applies to those in the country illegally. The ruling, which applies in Illinois, Indiana and Wisconsin, conflicts with opinions from three other federal appellate courts in recent years that found the Second Amendment doesn't apply to people in the country illegally.
Title: Re: The 2nd amendment now applies to illegal aliens.
Post by: gandog56 on August 28 2015 09:37:01 AM MDT
I just don't get it. Somebody here illegally talking about their 2nd amendment rights? Those rights are for OUR citizens! Which he is definitely not.

Deport his Mexican butt, but he'll probably just come right back. Maybe we should implant radio tags in them like pet owners do now so we can catch them and keep sending them back until they get tired of trying.
Title: Re: The 2nd amendment now applies to illegal aliens.
Post by: sqlbullet on August 28 2015 10:30:29 AM MDT
If the rights only apply to citizens then they are rights that are given by our government, and therefore can be taken away by our government.

This ruling is correct.  The right to use tools in the defense of life is a fundamental human right, inherent to our existence.
Title: Re: The 2nd amendment now applies to illegal aliens.
Post by: gandog56 on August 30 2015 06:00:08 AM MDT
Quote from: sqlbullet on August 28 2015 10:30:29 AM MDT
If the rights only apply to citizens then they are rights that are given by our government, and therefore can be taken away by our government.

This ruling is correct.  The right to use tools in the defense of life is a fundamental human right, inherent to our existence.

Nah, I have to disagree. He is already proven that he is quite willing to break our laws. I don't think we should protect criminals.
Title: Re: The 2nd amendment now applies to illegal aliens.
Post by: sstewart on August 30 2015 11:58:34 AM MDT
We're talking about God-given versus government given rights here. It's a God-given right to protect yourself from a criminal or any person trying to do you or your family bodily harm.
The current government officials view this as a government granted right and they want to take it away from you.
Therefore, I agree with this ruling.
Title: Re: The 2nd amendment now applies to illegal aliens.
Post by: sstewart on August 30 2015 12:00:15 PM MDT
If a person is a criminal, it is the governments right to take away his God-given rights since he has proven to be a lawbreaker.
Title: Re: The 2nd amendment now applies to illegal aliens.
Post by: redbaron007 on August 30 2015 01:40:47 PM MDT
Hmmm.....so the 2A extends; however, the gubbermit says it doesn't.

Quite a conundrum.
Title: Re: The 2nd amendment now applies to illegal aliens.
Post by: sqlbullet on August 31 2015 08:16:11 AM MDT
It is quite the catch-22.

You can't be deprived of fundamental rights without due process.

making a determination that someone is an illegal alien would constitute such due process.

However, we don't imprison illegal aliens and allow them to remain (usually).  We deport them.

So, what, are we going to determine they are illegal aliens, then imprison them for having a 22 shell in their pants for 6 months or a year, then deport them.  Just deport them and be done wasting our tax dollars.  The firearms charge is just a stacking charge, and does nothing.

Even better, lets just open the freaking boarders already.  We are a nation of immigrants.  That is our roots and one of the big things that made us strong.
Title: Re: The 2nd amendment now applies to illegal aliens.
Post by: gandog56 on September 22 2015 07:34:58 AM MDT
I don't have a problem with legal immigrants. What I have a problem with is the fact that now everything needs instructions in Spanish. Why move here if you are not willing to learn English?
Title: Re: The 2nd amendment now applies to illegal aliens.
Post by: sqlbullet on September 22 2015 08:46:31 AM MDT
Free market at work my friend.  There is no law driving this, just capitalism.
Title: Re: The 2nd amendment now applies to illegal aliens.
Post by: Wolfie on September 22 2015 08:24:56 PM MDT
All about Capitalism or as GHWB declared after the Persian Gulf War, "It's a New World Order."
Title: Re: The 2nd amendment now applies to illegal aliens.
Post by: gandog56 on September 25 2015 06:22:33 AM MDT
Quote from: Wolfie on September 22 2015 08:24:56 PM MDT
All about Capitalism or as GHWB declared after the Persian Gulf War, "It's a New World Order."

We should be giving the new world those orders!
Title: Re: The 2nd amendment now applies to illegal aliens.
Post by: Wolfie on September 25 2015 12:44:38 PM MDT
We should
Title: Re: The 2nd amendment now applies to illegal aliens.
Post by: gandog56 on October 05 2015 02:38:36 PM MDT
I think our resident Muslim in Chief thinks the world should be fine if we all would just sit down and sing "Kumbaya" together.
Title: Re: The 2nd amendment now applies to illegal aliens.
Post by: Wolfie on October 05 2015 04:22:34 PM MDT
War is the alternative.

I have no problem with war, as long as its paid for and everyone has skin in the game, aka a draft.