I very much like the 1911, despite every gun rag in the world shoving it down m throat all the time. Found this posted in another forum, and thought you guys might be interested. I am sure interested to hear your take:
For those that can't watch the video right off, let me summarize his complaints:
Magazine capacity too small.
It has a thumb safety.
Some mags don't work well.
Reliability.
I have Glocks, 19 and 20SF, a Sig P226 9mm Navy, a NAA .22 mini mag and a Dan Wesson CCO 1911 .45ACP. These are my go-to pistols! I have had countless other pistols and revolvers over the years but the ones above, I'm finally content with ALL of them for self defense and protection, in the city and some in the back country.
With that said, the DW CCO 1911, is what I carry most of the time! Why? It's fairly lightweight, holds seven plus one, is VERY reliable, VERY accurate, THIN and slips in one of my three Milt Sparks or Alessi holsters securely and with ease.
I had only one problem with a Tripp mag... a bad follower and Virgil himself asked me to send it to him, I did and he not only replaced the follower, but sent me a new Cobra mag as a sign of good business and friendship.
I've noticed that on the 1911Forum... there have been a number of recent posts on the Glocks and other pistols that are used and carried 'in favor' of the 1911. I kind of feel that's sacrigligious talking about the wonderment of Glocks on the 1911Forum. But, what the heck... people love their Glocks... but don't knock the 1911 on the 1911Forum!
Right now as I sit here at the desk, my Glock 19 is right with me, in a Milt Sparks NLG OWB holster. Fifteen rounds and I feel comfortable. I like Glocks! I like my Glock 10mm!
Back to the 1911... most of the problems I read about are folks who are trying to 'trick out' their pistols. I carry the DW CCO standard and stock! Like I said, thin, lightweight, reliable, accurate and .45ACP.
I don't have any problems with 1911's.
I really think those are pretty limp excuses to hate on the 1911.
The reliability thing makes me chuckle, because honestly of my non-experimental hot messes, I think my various plastic guns have had more total FTF's than my 1911's sum total in the last 5 years. 7-8 rounds? Meh, whatever.
Just an aside my 10mm Glock 20L and 10mm AR have been tops in FTF. But they are project guns, and very much works in progress. As long as I am making improvements, they are my hobby.
I have two 1911 guns (an officers and a 1911A1 full size). I wouldn't trust the full size one for personal defense. My Glock is the most reliable gun out there.
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Interesting article, I don't really hate the 1911 guns, but I too am discouraged by the constant brainwashing in the media like no other guns exist.
By the way it was the S&W having a 9 round magazine that I opted for the 1006 early in 1990.
Opinions are just like assholes, every body has one and nobody else wants to hear it. this gentleman has a real narrow mind set on the 1911. My experience has been a little different than his. I have spent years as a range master and have assisted a large amount of shooters that were having problems with their pistols. Not to mention keeping all the rental guns working.
The number one problem seems to be shooter, next the ammo, and last the gun itself.
More people have FTF from Glocks and other polymer guns, most of which I believe are limp wrist/shooter problems. A lot of people balk at the thought, but when they show me that the gun is malfunctioning every couple of rounds, I reload it and fire 15 rounds in two seconds with their gun, they believe me.....
Magazine capacity too small.... My Para-Ordnance P-14's hold fifteen plus one rounds of 45. And with the Peter Stahl Omega I have 16 plus one 10mm's.
Thumb safety....If you have a problem with a thumb safety you really need to train more. Even when I am shooting a Glock, I have trained to sweep the safety, do not even think about it, it is just part of the drawing sequence.
Some mags don't work well.... This is your weapon your last defense, are you really going to count on cheap magazines? Buy and carry quality magazines and never worry about it again.
Reliability....If it was not reliable, I do not understand why they are still making them one hundred years after they were introduced???
Well that's my take on it
These are four good points that it seems I found in my only 1911 experience. I'm of the opinion (James Yeager agrees :) ) that they probably should have stayed in 1911 :o
For one on one encounters if 5 rounds is not enough that's on you not capacity.
But of course some need 100 barrel mags to get it done.
btw, I carry either a Glock or the 357 LCR
Kind of...
My choice!
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Quote from: dan10mmman on September 25 2015 12:12:47 PM MDT
Opinions are just like assholes, every body has one and nobody else wants to hear it. this gentleman has a real narrow mind set on the 1911. My experience has been a little different than his. I have spent years as a range master and have assisted a large amount of shooters that were having problems with their pistols. Not to mention keeping all the rental guns working.
The number one problem seems to be shooter, next the ammo, and last the gun itself.
More people have FTF from Glocks and other polymer guns, most of which I believe are limp wrist/shooter problems. A lot of people balk at the thought, but when they show me that the gun is malfunctioning every couple of rounds, I reload it and fire 15 rounds in two seconds with their gun, they believe me.....
Magazine capacity too small.... My Para-Ordnance P-14's hold fifteen plus one rounds of 45. And with the Peter Stahl Omega I have 16 plus one 10mm's.
Thumb safety....If you have a problem with a thumb safety you really need to train more. Even when I am shooting a Glock, I have trained to sweep the safety, do not even think about it, it is just part of the drawing sequence.
Some mags don't work well.... This is your weapon your last defense, are you really going to count on cheap magazines? Buy and carry quality magazines and never worry about it again.
Reliability....If it was not reliable, I do not understand why they are still making them one hundred years after they were introduced???
Well that's my take on it
+1 pretty well sums sit up for me too.
By the way, big appreciation for my Glock 20 too. But it's not an either or debate to me.
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I respect you Intercooler, but James Yeager????!!! Seriously??!!
Quote from: The_Shadow on September 25 2015 11:04:56 AM MDT
Interesting article, I don't really hate the 1911 guns, but I too am discouraged by the constant brainwashing in the media like no other guns exist.
I think one reason for their popularity is that, if someone is looking for a semi-auto that has a trigger which is very similar to the feel of a S&W DA/SA revolver's SA trigger ... which means that the trigger hardly moves at all until the hammer falls ... then it may only be the 1911 which is comes anywhere close to that. I've only handled a few other SA semi-autos besides my 1911, but all of those "SA guns" had triggers that moved considerably before the hammer fell.
Quote from: Rojo27 on September 25 2015 02:00:30 PM MDT
Quote from: dan10mmman on September 25 2015 12:12:47 PM MDT
Opinions are just like assholes, every body has one and nobody else wants to hear it. this gentleman has a real narrow mind set on the 1911. My experience has been a little different than his. I have spent years as a range master and have assisted a large amount of shooters that were having problems with their pistols. Not to mention keeping all the rental guns working.
The number one problem seems to be shooter, next the ammo, and last the gun itself.
More people have FTF from Glocks and other polymer guns, most of which I believe are limp wrist/shooter problems. A lot of people balk at the thought, but when they show me that the gun is malfunctioning every couple of rounds, I reload it and fire 15 rounds in two seconds with their gun, they believe me.....
Magazine capacity too small.... My Para-Ordnance P-14's hold fifteen plus one rounds of 45. And with the Peter Stahl Omega I have 16 plus one 10mm's.
Thumb safety....If you have a problem with a thumb safety you really need to train more. Even when I am shooting a Glock, I have trained to sweep the safety, do not even think about it, it is just part of the drawing sequence.
Some mags don't work well.... This is your weapon your last defense, are you really going to count on cheap magazines? Buy and carry quality magazines and never worry about it again.
Reliability....If it was not reliable, I do not understand why they are still making them one hundred years after they were introduced???
Well that's my take on it
+1 pretty well sums sit up for me too.
By the way, big appreciation for my Glock 20 too. But it's not an either or debate to me.
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I respect you Intercooler, but James Yeager????!!! Seriously??!!
That was a joke! Yeager is nutso!
Quote from: Intercooler on September 25 2015 02:29:34 PM MDT
That was a joke! Yeager is nutso!
I was kinda wondering!!! :o ;D
I too don't get the either/or thing. I thought we all agreed Glock vs. Browning discussions don't belong on serious forums. 10mm is a SERIOUS forum.
the way I see it, the "either/or" thing is for when you are getting dressed in the morning...Am I going to strap on either a 1911 or a glock. Seriously a 10mm either/or
As far as the reliability goes, I would say this.
Lets have Glock open up their patents and get 100+ different makers out on the market, and see what you end up with.
Seems like RIA makes a pretty solid $500-$600 1911, and a Ruger SR1911 is just a bill or two more.
Interesting....... The video said he is a former Marine and well versed in handling firearms. So, why did the Marines just (not long ago) select the Colt 1911 as their new sidearm?
I understand where he is coming from but don't agree. YouTube is bringing out the true "crazies" in people (for free, too!).
A lot of people are still buying these "crappy" 1911's - hope they don't trust their family's lives to these unreliable things....... ::) . I would however, trust mine to one after I got used to it. Right now, someone will have to go through about 45 rounds of some of the best 10mm hollow points available in my high capacity 3 Glock 20 15 rd. magazines.
Other things keep me up at night, not whether a 1911 is "worthy."
Pat
I partially agree while I do carry 1911's. I think a 1911 requires more training to be proficient with and it can be finicky on ammo and mags. I believe other firearms tend to require less effort to get them to run reliably but all this being said I will stick to my 1911's.
I think a 1911 is fine for most purposes. But it must be understood they take more effort to keep them running properly. I think that part of the problem (but not the entire problem) is that the 1911's of today have much tighter tolerances than the 1911's of WWII. This makes them more accurate, but less likely to run in adverse conditions.
If I were going overseas to a sandy area, and I had a choice to take a 1911 or a Glock in 45 or 10mm, I would choose the Glock without hesitation.
I own six Glocks right now, and two 1911's. Over the years I have owned 5 1911's altogether, though I am looking to add another in 10mm. :P
Quote from: Buckeye 50 on September 28 2015 02:54:28 PM MDT
... So, why did the Marines just (not long ago) select the Colt 1911 as their new sidearm?
Ego.
There was no reason for them to get the Colt M45. It costs 3x as much as either a Glock, XD, or M&P, and holds about half the ammo. There are more parts in a 1911 than a modern design pistol which means there are more parts to break or to need service. Most likely someone at the top of the Marine's command ladder felt American's needed a good old fashioned American pistol, and that meant a 1911. Next they will adopt the Sopwith Camel which would still be superior to anything the Afghanistanis or Iraqis have.
Here is someone else's opinion: http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2012/08/09/why-the-marines-adopted-the-m45-colt-1911/
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Quote from: sqlbullet on September 25 2015 04:53:39 PM MDT
As far as the reliability goes, I would say this.
Lets have Glock open up their patents and get 100+ different makers out on the market, and see what you end up with.
Glock's patents ran out a long time ago. They are only good for 17 years (or maybe less). Their exterior "block" look can be registered as a trademark which lasts indefinably, but all the other stuff is free game.
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Quote from: dan10mmman on September 25 2015 12:12:47 PM MDT
Opinions are just like assholes, every body has one and nobody else wants to hear it.
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Thumb safety....If you have a problem with a thumb safety you really need to train more. Even when I am shooting a Glock, I have trained to sweep the safety, do not even think about it, it is just part of the drawing sequence.
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Part one I agree on 100%
Re thumb safety, not so much. Training from over 25 years on a gun (sig 226) without a thumb safety.... it sort of locks in with muscle memory...kind of hard to teach the old dog new tricks.
I had a series 70 colt given to me. In my first combat shoot, I forgot about the safety as never had one... needless to say lost time and if if had been a bad scenario, maybe my life.
Sold the colt went to a Sig 220, sa/da, no thumb safety , but still a great gun. For me the best safety is the head.
The 1911 is a good gun, just not for some people like me.
Quote from: my_old_glock on September 29 2015 10:19:33 AM MDT
Quote from: Buckeye 50 on September 28 2015 02:54:28 PM MDT
... So, why did the Marines just (not long ago) select the Colt 1911 as their new sidearm?
There was no reason for them to get the Colt M45.
I don't know what THEIR reason was, but ONE reason is that a 1911 has a better trigger than any other semi-auto. Some people feel that that advantage outweighs all the disadvantages of a 1911. I do. The only other gun I primary-carry is my S&W69 5-shot L-Frame .44mag ... an even better trigger than my 10mm Kimber Eclipse Custom II, and (in most people's opinions, even more disadvantages).
I actually think magazine capacity is an advantage to the 1911.
Here is why.
Carrying concealed, as most of us do, there is a propensity to forgo the spare magazine, especially if we have 15+ rounds on tap, or if space mags are fat and hard to conceal. I know that is true for me all too often. And yet, if that one magazine in my gun goes south, I suddenly have a single shot derringer.
With a single stack gun, magazines are think and easy to slip into a pocket, or conceal in a mag carrier. And when I carried a Delta Elite, I never left the house without at least 1 spare mag.
In most encounters, the second mag will never be needed. But there are more reasons to need a second mag than I have burned 7+1 shots.
Quote from: Mike_Fontenot on September 29 2015 01:17:35 PM MDT
Quote from: my_old_glock on September 29 2015 10:19:33 AM MDT
Quote from: Buckeye 50 on September 28 2015 02:54:28 PM MDT
... So, why did the Marines just (not long ago) select the Colt 1911 as their new sidearm?
There was no reason for them to get the Colt M45.
I don't know what THEIR reason was, but ONE reason is that a 1911 has a better trigger than any other semi-auto. Some people feel that that advantage outweighs all the disadvantages of a 1911. I do. The only other gun I primary-carry is my S&W69 5-shot L-Frame .44mag ... an even better trigger than my 10mm Kimber Eclipse Custom II, and (in most people's opinions, even more disadvantages).
I think the 1911 has the "potential" to have a better trigger, but that doesn't mean it does have a better trigger. My stock Springfield 1911 I purchased in 1994 had a worse trigger than any other gun I owned. The only reason why I bought the 1911 with the bad trigger is because my friend had the same gun and he just changed the sear and trigger to make it better. If I didn't know it could be changed, I would have never got one.
I do not see how the trigger can make that big of a difference in their choice. There are some great competition Beretta 92 pistols out there, so great triggers weren't the only reason they chose a 1911. In combat you don't want a touchy/sensitive trigger.
A S&W 627 V-Comp holds 8 rounds just like the 1911, but the 357Magnum has more power, and the trigger is better than a 1911. Another advantage is that if you have a misfire, you just pull the trigger again to cycle a new round. No pulling the slide like on a 1911. With moon clips, the 627 could be reloaded just as fast as the 1911 - by Jerry Miculek. Again I see no reason for the M45 unless it was for ego purposes.
P.S. I am sure the M45 @ $1,500 has an excellent trigger.
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That smith measures twice as wide as a 1911. Makes it uncomfortable for a fat guy like me to carry IWB.
Quote from: sqlbullet on September 30 2015 06:50:56 PM MDT
That smith measures twice as wide as a 1911. Makes it uncomfortable for a fat guy like me to carry IWB.
I was thinking holster carry for the military: Comparing it to the M45.
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Gotcha!
I wonder how much of that is baggage from their experience with the Moro warriors and the 38 colt. Granted, a good 357 is miles different, but often bias has no good foundation in fact.