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10mm Ammuntion => Reloading 10mm ammo => Topic started by: Gregory on December 19 2015 03:57:12 PM MST

Title: FTF para ls elite hunter
Post by: Gregory on December 19 2015 03:57:12 PM MST
I'm having problems with FTF on my reloads, bullet is 180 fmj and horandy xtp 180. Seating depth is 1.26. I have ran them thru the Redding sizer die after loading also.
Title: Re: FTF para ls elite hunter
Post by: Benchrst on December 19 2015 04:06:44 PM MST
Have you tried a shorter OAL?
Title: Re: FTF para ls elite hunter
Post by: fltbed on December 19 2015 04:14:13 PM MST
There are many types of feed jams.  Can you give us a bit more details?  A pic would be excellent.

Jeff
Title: Re: FTF para ls elite hunter
Post by: Gregory on December 19 2015 04:44:01 PM MST
Yes I have tried a shorter pal, and sorry I don't have a pic but it seems to catch at the top op the chamber. I will see if I can get pic thou.
Title: Re: FTF para ls elite hunter
Post by: Gregory on December 19 2015 05:42:51 PM MST
Pic

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Title: Re: FTF para ls elite hunter
Post by: Gregory on December 19 2015 05:45:19 PM MST
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Title: Re: FTF para ls elite hunter
Post by: Hermit on December 19 2015 05:52:57 PM MST
http://www.m1911.org/technic2.htm

check the tension atleast
Title: Re: FTF para ls elite hunter
Post by: Gregory on December 19 2015 06:10:54 PM MST
Is this for failure to feed?
Title: Re: FTF para ls elite hunter
Post by: sqlbullet on December 19 2015 08:00:11 PM MST
Two possible reasons for this type of three point jam in a 1911.  Extractor is not proper fit to the gun, or the map springs are too weak.

First thing I would do is get some +10% mag springs installed.  The 1911 depends on the next round in the magazine, or the follower on the last round, to provide a "kick" to catch the base up and fully align with the bore.  I would bet changing the springs will fix your issue, and would suggest you just set a reminder every Christmas to re-order new ones.

If that doesn't do it, then the extractor could be the culprit. If the extractor is fitted too stiffly, then it can interfere with the case head as it slides up the breech face.  This thread addresses the issue the best I have read:

http://sassnet.com/wildbunch/forum/index.php?topic=1083.0
Title: Re: FTF para ls elite hunter
Post by: fltbed on December 21 2015 06:14:24 PM MST
Thanks for the pics, it helps immensely.
I agree with Hermit & sqlbullet as it looks like the round is stopping on the extractor.  Besides the links provided, check on You Tube for videos on how to properly tune the extractor.

Keep us posted on you progress.

Jeff
Title: Re: FTF para ls elite hunter
Post by: sqlbullet on December 21 2015 06:48:16 PM MST
If you can replicate this hand-feeding rounds, then you can test the extractor removing it and then trying to replicate.  If the issue goes away with no extractor, then that is your culprit.  If it doesn't (my recent one didn't) then up your mag springs.
Title: Re: FTF para ls elite hunter
Post by: Gregory on December 22 2015 08:34:15 PM MST
Thanks everyone, I'm thinking it's the mags, they are para mags. Going to up the spring and change the followers also. I really appreciate all the help.
Title: Re: FTF para ls elite hunter
Post by: sqlbullet on December 23 2015 10:51:07 AM MST
Check out Triple K's P-16 mags.  They are a bit spendy, but I have found them to be very solid mags.

https://www.triplek.com/product/para-ordnance-p1640-40-sw-16-rd/

They say 16 round, but mine hold 17.
Title: Re: FTF para ls elite hunter
Post by: fltbed on January 01 2016 08:04:42 AM MST
Quote from: sqlbullet on December 23 2015 10:51:07 AM MST
Check out Triple K's P-16 mags.  They are a bit spendy, but I have found them to be very solid mags.

https://www.triplek.com/product/para-ordnance-p1640-40-sw-16-rd/

They say 16 round, but mine hold 17.
I thought the Para Elite Hunter was a single stack?
Title: Re: FTF para ls elite hunter
Post by: sqlbullet on January 01 2016 10:29:32 AM MST
You are correct.  I hear Para and as a adolescent of the 80's that just means double stack to me.

Para making single stacks is like Glock making a steel frame.