If I were to get a 6 inch 10mm, what could I expect from this?
http://eaacorp.com/index.php/guns/witness-match-xtreme-tanfoglio-4
I love the CZ platform and it's inherent accuracy. Could I expect the same from this Tanfo?
Anyone compare this to a comparable 1911 longslide?
My Witness Elite Match is laser beam accurate. This is a significant step up the ladder from mine, so I would expect to be downright scared of how well it shoots.
Yes! They are a good choice and worthy choice for the price. :D
How is the grip profile? I'm concerned that the double stack mag my make it a little wide for my taste?
Now for reference, I do have a CZ 75 (with double stack grip) and it fits me perfectly. Would this Match Extreme be comparable?
Also just for clarification, the safety in the down position is "fire" right? I can't seem to get used to the Beretta 92 config of the safety being off in the up position...
My Witness guns "feel" smaller to my hands than a 1911 with GI grips.
The Xtreme has the EG panels factory installed and they're the thinnest available. It will feel small in width.
You won't be disappointed. The recent offerings from Tanfoglio are superb!
Go for it!
Thanks for replies...
Can someone enlighten me about the safety? Down position means "fire" right?
A few more questions ;D. I notice it comes with a few extra recoil springs. Does this mean I will have to swap out springs depending on the loads I use? Does it need to be "broken in" like some of the finer 1911's to function flawlessly? Will it gobble up everything I throw at her, or will she be finicky about ammo?
The Xtreme is the top of the line and new to the market offering that has about every custom piece you can put on one... and through the custom shop. Do you need all of that? The Hunter is a bunch cheaper and can be modified to your liking.
Down and its ready to go bang.
I have a Limited Pro and I love the thing. Its tight, accurate, and strong. It handles loads that smile badly on the Glock with no hint of things being too hot.
Perhaps the sweetest thing is how great it feels in the hand. It feels so good. It doesn't feel like a double stack. I have a 9mm CZ2075 and the CZ feels fatter in the grip to me.
I have yet to see anyone not love a full size Tanfoglio, except, perhaps, after they talked to customer service :(
Greg
In fairness to Tanfoglio, it is really EAA, the importer, that is the issue. Reports from Europe are Tanfoglio is tops to deal with. Comparable on that continent to Springfield here in the US.
Quote from: sqlbullet on December 29 2015 12:13:52 PM MST
My Witness guns "feel" smaller to my hands than a 1911 with GI grips.
That's interesting. Please elaborate. We talking 10mm Witness right?
Are there any other gun grips you can compare it to? Beretta, Glock, CZ, Sig...?
Quote from: Intercooler on December 29 2015 04:50:15 PM MST
The Xtreme is the top of the line and new to the market offering that has about every custom piece you can put on one... and through the custom shop. Do you need all of that? The Hunter is a bunch cheaper and can be modified to your liking.
Thanks Intercooler. I'm taking your advice on the Hunter model. It has many of the features I'm looking for and none of the things I don't really need right now. It looks like it'll be a tact-driver which is my primary requirement. So it has become a frontrunner in my research. Now if I could only get and idea of that grip profile...
Reverendpdp:
You should be happy with the Witness Hunter. You'll have the power that the 6" barrel provides, the slightly "muzzle heavy" feel to bring the "business end" of the pistol back to the target. It is a practical approach to the 10mm Auto that you will swiftly come to appreciate.
All the best and Go with God
Quote from: Captain O on December 31 2015 03:24:29 PM MST
Reverendpdp:
You should be happy with the Witness Hunter. You'll have the power that the 6" barrel provides, the slightly "muzzle heavy" feel to bring the "business end" of the pistol back to the target. It is a practical approach to the 10mm Auto that you will swiftly come to appreciate.
All the best and Go with God
Thanks Captain...
Can you comment on grip size?
I don't have big hands, yet have no difficulty handling my Witness. You'll be pleasantly surprised with how well it handles. I like mine. (You'll have the advantage of the longer barrel, and I envy you)!
After all this a "range report" is order, okay?
Quote from: Captain O on December 31 2015 03:24:29 PM MST
Reverendpdp:
You should be happy with the Witness Hunter. You'll have the power that the 6" barrel provides, the slightly "muzzle heavy" feel to bring the "business end" of the pistol back to the target. It is a practical approach to the 10mm Auto that you will swiftly come to appreciate.
All the best and Go with God
Thank you Captain... particularly for that last comment. ;) Same to you my friend.
One thing that we haven't discussed is the Tanfo's reliability.
Will it feed a wide variety of ammo from weak to nuclear, without incident?
Only hickup iv had in my match was with federals sp...handloads, Armscor, Remington, Sigs all ran fine. my has the loosest chamber of the 3 10s iv had(Kimber STII, RIA fs non rail) and the best reliability.
20lb wolf long slide spring and hennings match goodie pack(guide rod, trigger spring, 15 or 14lb hammer spring, firing pin + stop, and sights)
Quote from: Reverendpdp on January 08 2016 05:16:26 PM MST
One thing that we haven't discussed is the Tanfo's reliability.
Will it feed a wide variety of ammo from weak to nuclear, without incident?
Yup! It's been done and to extremes some handloaders won't take them to. The frame is actually more of a heavyweight than any of the other frames. Totally reliable from the lightest up to 230gr Hardcast.
Yep. I stand by my review. MIne eats anything. I have never had a functional failure in the Elite Match.
Quote from: sqlbullet on January 08 2016 07:27:56 PM MST
Yep. I stand by my review. MIne eats anything. I have never had a functional failure in the Elite Match.
Your pistol's name isn't "Mikey" is it? (Mikey eats
everything)! ;D
I just
couldn't resist!
Quote from: Reverendpdp on January 08 2016 05:16:26 PM MST
One thing that we haven't discussed is the Tanfo's reliability.
Will it feed a wide variety of ammo from weak to nuclear, without incident?
Rev:
When you take down the Witness, you'll see that it has the P-35-type ("kidney") "link" which handles the 10mm power with consummate aplomb. I don't think you'll have any difficulty with any loads you feed it. The key to "mastering" the Witness in 10mm Auto is the same as it is to get to Carnegie Hall... Practice, practice, practice!
Quote from: Reverendpdp on December 29 2015 04:09:03 PM MST
A few more questions ;D. I notice it comes with a few extra recoil springs. Does this mean I will have to swap out springs depending on the loads I use? Does it need to be "broken in" like some of the finer 1911's to function flawlessly? Will it gobble up everything I throw at her, or will she be finicky about ammo?
I LOVE my Elite Match 10MM. First thing I did (since I reload and plan to shoot only full house loads for practice) was a Wolff 22 lb recoil spring. This is by far the most awesome handgun I've ever owned or shot. The grip is like a large Browning Hi Power, very ergonomic. These are heavy guns but that tames the 10MM. Having 2XL+ size hands I find the fit and ergos superb. I've added a Lasermax laser and ambi safety, plus a fiber optic front sight.. really want differential night sights next, but it seems that's a custom job at this crossroads
BTW I have had only one malfunction in 800+ rounds and that was a new, tight, fully loaded mag that didn't want to feed from slide lock. Tested all of my 26 mags fully loaded. Further testing after one mag load could not repeat this.. and the gun will, in a pinch, feed 40 S&W flawlessly (don't make a habit of this!)
I bought a new Witness Hunter 10 mm a few months ago. Haven't shot it a lot: maybe 150 rounds? I think I may have had one malfunction, can't remember specifically. Off the cruddy rests at my range (2x4 frames with a piece of carpet stapled over the top) my second five shots after taking delivery went into 2" at 25 yards (with four in about 1.25"). I am a complete spaz so I'd bet it could easily group in one inch from a Ransom Rest.
With Nosler 200 grain over 9.2 grains Blue Dot I see 1140 fps; over 8.2 grains Blue Dot 1045 fps, over 7.7 grains Longshot 1150 fps. Same bullet over 5.6 grains Universal not chronoed yet but looks promising for accuracy and is a snooze to shoot. All these function fine with the heaviest spring in the kit.
Trigger could be a little lighter, but breaks cleanly enough. Overall, very happy with it. Biggest complaint is that the locking case is huge but doesn't ship with any extra mags. Why is the case so big?
Because it's a big pistol and comes with a n excellent case. Do you want to sell it?
;D Haven't taken it to the range yet, but plan on doing so this weekend.
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Check out Razor Dobbs on You Tube. Great hunting with the 10 mike mike.
Quote from: Reverendpdp on February 03 2016 03:37:03 PM MST
;D Haven't taken it to the range yet, but plan on doing so this weekend.
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Bet you will dig it. Give us a review!
Killing me. Resisting the urge. There is a gun store near me that had one....
Yep...just checked. NIB 25 minutes from me.
Do it! You can't go wrong.
The Elite Match or Hunter will be my gun purchase this year!
Naaa. Shelve that project and get the Hunter for now ;D
Well finally got to take out the Hunter for its first range date. I ran about 150 rounds of mixed factory ammo: Armscor, Sig and PPU. All feed without a hitch. The Sig grouped the best, followed by PPU. The only issue I encountered was the slide engaging when I fed a new magazine. It occurred when I fed the new mag firmly. When I fed it softly, it would stay locked back, as it should. Being new to Tanfos, I'm not sure if this is typical?
I'm trying to follow what's happening. So slide is locked back waiting for a fresh magazine... you slam it up in there and the slide goes into battery?
Sounds like physics. The resting inertia of the slide stop overcomes the friction holding it in place when you slam a mag home.
Exactly. Slide goes into battery when new mag is inserted. It's not something any of my other guns do. They have to be racked to go into battery.
Never having owned a Witness, I'm not sure if this is by design?
It's for sure not. Exactly how hard are you putting them in? Make sure your stop is fully pushed in.
Quote from: Intercooler on February 19 2016 07:29:48 AM MST
It's for sure not. Exactly how hard are you putting them in? Make sure your stop is fully pushed in.
I would say I insert it firmly, but not overly hard. Just enough to seat it. Insert all the way in. Then tap firmly.
FWIW, it only occurs with a loaded mag.
Can you do a little video?
Yes I could but I just dropped it off at the smith to get an optic installed. Probably 4-6 weeks before I see it again. :(
Oh. You didn't want to put the CMore on it and put the optic on that?
Decided to go with a Leupold Deltapoint Pro. The smith is aching a base that will fit the existing dovetail so as to not cut into the frame...
Not good??
Couple of ways to do it. Henning removed his rear sight and used the slot. The frame is tapped for it is all.
http://ipscalex.com/products/mount-cmore-tanfoglio
Resurrecting this old thread with an update. Finally got to put the gun through its paces. Optic performed perfectly with a variety of factory ammo as did the gun itself. After several hundred rounds, not a single failure. 100% reliable.
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Reverendpdp, very nicely done! 8)
Looking good! One of the best shooters for 10mm out there!
Awesome!
This thread keeps calling to me I just ordered the new Remington long slide then I am going to add one of these beasts to my collection.
Hey Rev,
Gotta say, I dig what you've done here. Sweet piece!
Curious if that custom mount to slide is friction fit only?
VERY nice. Does that optic cowitness with the front sight?
Quote from: Chris P Bacon on November 14 2016 06:22:19 PM MST
Hey Rev,
Gotta say, I dig what you've done here. Sweet piece!
Curious if that custom mount to slide is friction fit only?
The mount is semi-friction fit but also secured with 2 set screws...
Quote from: Pablo on November 14 2016 07:42:35 PM MST
VERY nice. Does that optic cowitness with the front sight?
Unfortunately it does not co-witness. The only way to do that would be to put an exaggeratedly tall front blade, or machine the slide to lower the optic...
Quote from: Reverendpdp on November 15 2016 07:31:00 AM MST
Quote from: Pablo on November 14 2016 07:42:35 PM MST
VERY nice. Does that optic cowitness with the front sight?
Unfortunately it does not co-witness. The only way to do that would be to put an exaggeratedly tall front blade, or machine the slide to lower the optic...
Actually that is a good thing in my view. Cowitness especially on a hand gun is more of hindrance for quick accurate shooting.
They are about the cheapest 10mm pistols out there.
But I am kind of hooked on 1911 pattern guns. My short fat fingers find double stacks just a bit too wide to get a good grip on. Which is why I do not own a Desert Eagle, or a Jerico, or a Grizzly LAR.
I know this is a common complaint about double stack guns, but you really should track down and try a Witness. It feels a BUNCH smaller than my Para or Glock. In fact, if feels smaller than a single stack 1911 to me, at least one with standard grip panels. I imagine with slim panels the 1911 would feel smaller. But then, you can get slim panels for the Witness too.
With EG grip panels it's too thin for some people's taste.
Quote from: gandog56 on November 15 2016 08:20:11 AM MST
They are about the cheapest 10mm pistols out there.
But I am kind of hooked on 1911 pattern guns. My short fat fingers find double stacks just a bit too wide to get a good grip on. Which is why I do not own a Desert Eagle, or a Jerico, or a Grizzly LAR.
Come over to the dark side! Extra rounds await you! :D
I was very concerned about the grip on the Witness and vacillated back and forth for quite some time. I have 2 1911's (10mm & 45), and a CZ SP01, all with thin custom grips. These grips feel perfect for me, so I was afraid the double stack Witness Hunter would be a bit much. I handled the Glock and Rock Island double stacks and found them to be too bulky for my taste, but kept hearing that the Tanfos are much thinner. Finally after hearing so many other reports on how much better the Witness grip is, I caved in and bought it sight unseen. Man I was pleasantly surprised. The grip is indeed great. The pistol in the pic has the thin Henny(?) aluminum grips, which are just a smidgen thinner than the stock wood grips. Both grips are excellent, and while I'd give an ever slight edge to the custom grips on my CZ, these grips are outstanding. Plus the fact that it holds 14 rounds makes me like it even more. I'm glad you guys talked me into it.
We twist arms here with the best of them! Glad you like it and think maybe you will add another ;)
Im excited to get my hands on one of the polymer matches, but I havent been able to find an eta for them. +1 for the witness they are great for shooting more then just 10mm with all of the slide conversions abailable.
I love my Limited 9mm! It shoots like a well oiled .22!
Quote from: Intercooler on November 15 2016 03:18:07 PM MST
Quote from: gandog56 on November 15 2016 08:20:11 AM MST
They are about the cheapest 10mm pistols out there.
But I am kind of hooked on 1911 pattern guns. My short fat fingers find double stacks just a bit too wide to get a good grip on. Which is why I do not own a Desert Eagle, or a Jerico, or a Grizzly LAR.
Come over to the dark side! Extra rounds await you! :D
I keep telling you all, do I need extra rounds when I can shoot my 1911 type 10mm pistols like this? ;)
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