I saw a similar thread on another forum about a Lipseys / Ruger wish list and was amazed how many people posted a desire for a 10mm something or other.
What would you like to see introduced at the Shot Show in 10mm?
For me:
An affordable AR 10mm DI that takes Glock 20 mags.
S&W "L" or Ruger GP100 in 10mm with MOS type mounting plates for optics.
Ruger SA Flattop Bisley in 5 ½"-6 ½"
Jeff
Marlin used to make a "Camp Carbine" chambered in 9mm and 45ACP, which is a neat handy little rifle. I'd like to see a remake chambered in 10mm that would utilize the Glock 20 magazines, synthetic stock molded like the original wood and an up graded buffer system.
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y12/HardShell/RWB%20-%20PCCs/Marlin9mmCCs.jpg)
Still looking to see if ever VLTOR will ever remake the Bren Ten's as a way to preserve this timeless classic that started the pathway of our favorite cartridge. This venture has flopped in the past, but it could be done at anytime. But to get a Miami Vice Classic Bren Ten that would be a functional reliable shooter would be very desirable! 8)
(http://www.imfdb.org/images/thumb/8/82/Bren_ten.jpg/350px-Bren_ten.jpg)
(http://www.imfdb.org/images/thumb/2/2c/MV-BRE10-9.jpg/600px-MV-BRE10-9.jpg)
A Glock built carbine.
fltbed hit it for me.
A AR style lower that accepts Glock 20 mags, and a good DI upper.
A medium frame 10mm revolver
More time in my life so I can get to the range more.
I sent a message to Coonan, that their Coonan .357 Mag automatic had enough room to fit a 10mm Magnum round. It just needs a 6" or 7" slide to go with it.
I emailed Coonan a while back on the very same question as to getting the Coonan chambered in 10mm Magnum and a conversion barrel for the 9x30Dillon...never even got an acknowledgement response back one way or the other... :(
I emailed them the same thing and no response
Quote from: sqlbullet on January 01 2016 10:28:28 AM MST
fltbed hit it for me.
A AR style lower that accepts Glock 20 mags, and a good DI upper.
A medium frame 10mm revolver
More time in my life so I can get to the range more.
The lower exists, or at least is in production.
According to locals who have their stuff set up for 9mm its nice.
http://www.quartercircle10.com/product/glock-large-frame-lower/
INteresting. I have have to add that to my rather long list for 2015.
Quote from: The_Shadow on January 06 2016 12:02:58 PM MST
I emailed Coonan a while back on the very same question as to getting the Coonan chambered in 10mm Magnum and a conversion barrel for the 9x30Dillon...never even got an acknowledgement response back one way or the other... :(
I got a response. Granted not much of one, but it was a response. It just said they had forwarded my comments to their engineering section.
I don't know....
I owned a G20 (back when they first came out) for less than a month
Hated the damn thing
Well, now I have the MG20 (MechTech / Glock 20)
The Glock Lower for the CCU is all the Glock I own
BUT, I've been thing of getting a 6" Lone Wolf Upper to run on the Lower, just for Ss and Gs
So, what, technically, it still wouldn't be a GLOCK....RIGHT ? ::)
Quote from: DenStinett on January 06 2016 10:09:08 PM MST
I don't know....
I owned a G20 (back when they first came out) for less than a month
Hated the damn thing
Well, now I have the MG20 (MechTech / Glock 20)
The Glock Lower for the CCU is all the Glock I own
BUT, I've been thing of getting a 6" Lone Wolf Upper to run on the Lower, just for Ss and Gs
So, what, technically, it still wouldn't be a GLOCK....RIGHT ? ::)
My plan two years ago was to build a Glock with NO Glock parts!
Quote from: Pablo on January 07 2016 04:59:37 AM MST
My plan two years ago was to build a Glock with NO Glock parts!
ROFL!
Quote from: rw on January 06 2016 06:26:04 PM MST
Quote from: sqlbullet on January 01 2016 10:28:28 AM MST
fltbed hit it for me.
A AR style lower that accepts Glock 20 mags, and a good DI upper.
A medium frame 10mm revolver
More time in my life so I can get to the range more.
The lower exists, or at least is in production.
According to locals who have their stuff set up for 9mm its nice.
http://www.quartercircle10.com/product/glock-large-frame-lower/
I think Ron williams at
Www.rmwextreme.com should be on your shortlist. 4 of us have these with varying degrees of reliability, but I think his is the most reliable of your choices. Quarter circle 10 is a real newbie in the upper business.
A 10mm upper is a lot more difficult than a 9 mm one. Because of the ratio of bullet diameter to bolt diameter.
Quote from: Pablo on January 07 2016 04:59:37 AM MST
Quote from: DenStinett on January 06 2016 10:09:08 PM MST
I don't know....
I owned a G20 (back when they first came out) for less than a month
Hated the damn thing
Well, now I have the MG20 (MechTech / Glock 20)
The Glock Lower for the CCU is all the Glock I own
BUT, I've been thing of getting a 6" Lone Wolf Upper to run on the Lower, just for Ss and Gs
So, what, technically, it still wouldn't be a GLOCK....RIGHT ? ::)
My plan two years ago was to build a Glock with NO Glock parts!
Timberwolf. Pre-order now.
Nice!
Years ago there were people converting the M1 Carbine to use .357 Magnum rounds. Recently, I've been told there have been some who have been converting them to 45 Win Mag. A 10mm in an M1 Carbine would be interesting, as the bolt wouldn't take as much work to modify as with the others.
Though I agree with the concept stated earlier of an AR15 in 10mm, or 10mm Magnum. I've been told there is an upper out there, but it is pricey.
http://www.olyarms.com/shop/pistols/ar-15-pistol-cal-models/k10.html
Quote from: The_Shadow on January 01 2016 08:11:09 AM MST
Marlin used to make a "Camp Carbine" chambered in 9mm and 45ACP, which is a neat handy little rifle. I'd like to see a remake chambered in 10mm that would utilize the Glock 20 magazines, synthetic stock molded like the original wood and an up graded buffer system.
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y12/HardShell/RWB%20-%20PCCs/Marlin9mmCCs.jpg)
Still looking to see if ever VLTOR will ever remake the Bren Ten's as a way to preserve this timeless classic that started the pathway of our favorite cartridge. This venture has flopped in the past, but it could be done at anytime. But to get a Miami Vice Classic Bren Ten that would be a functional reliable shooter would be very desirable! 8)
(http://www.imfdb.org/images/thumb/8/82/Bren_ten.jpg/350px-Bren_ten.jpg)
(http://www.imfdb.org/images/thumb/2/2c/MV-BRE10-9.jpg/600px-MV-BRE10-9.jpg)
The Witness Elite is everything the Bren 10 never was. I loved the gun concept and am a big Vice fan, just sayin
Owning a Bren ten would be cool, but I agree that the elite series eaa find are probably better.
Captain_Witness writes;
QuoteThe Witness Elite is everything the Bren 10 never was. I loved the gun concept and am a big Vice fan, just sayin
I don't disagree with you on this point, the upper end Witness guns are fine equipments.
Quote from: Captain_Witness on January 13 2016 06:38:58 PM MST
Quote from: The_Shadow on January 01 2016 08:11:09 AM MST
Marlin used to make a "Camp Carbine" chambered in 9mm and 45ACP, which is a neat handy little rifle. I'd like to see a remake chambered in 10mm that would utilize the Glock 20 magazines, synthetic stock molded like the original wood and an up graded buffer system.
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y12/HardShell/RWB%20-%20PCCs/Marlin9mmCCs.jpg)
Still looking to see if ever VLTOR will ever remake the Bren Ten's as a way to preserve this timeless classic that started the pathway of our favorite cartridge. This venture has flopped in the past, but it could be done at anytime. But to get a Miami Vice Classic Bren Ten that would be a functional reliable shooter would be very desirable! 8)
(http://www.imfdb.org/images/thumb/8/82/Bren_ten.jpg/350px-Bren_ten.jpg)
(http://www.imfdb.org/images/thumb/2/2c/MV-BRE10-9.jpg/600px-MV-BRE10-9.jpg)
The Witness Elite is everything the Bren 10 never was. I loved the gun concept and am a big Vice fan, just sayin
The problem is that the 10mm is too powerful for the Marlin Camp Carbine format. (This is what was said by the people at Marlin). The recoil-operated system would have a breechblock that is too large for the system to handle.
The recoil setup is lacking, I had to rebuild a 45ACP version of the Marlin Camp Carbine for a friend as the buffer broke down over the years...The bolt could be beefed up to add mass and recoil spring could be increased...
I know its a long shot but....
I would love to see a 10mm conversion for the Tavor.
Quote from: Mongo on January 14 2016 11:31:43 AM MST
I know its a long shot but....
I would love to see a 10mm conversion for the Tavor.
if it was cheap enough that'd almost tickle my fancy
Quote from: Frag Nasty on January 15 2016 09:11:52 AM MST
I'd be happy just to see some new quality, bonded JHP or JSP bullets that are designed to run at 10mm velocities.
Federal came out with that 180 JSP load a while back, but right now it's unobtanium. I'd love to be able to source that bullet.
Some 155's that are designed to run at 1300 to 1450 would be great. Everything out there is designed to run at .40 velocities and it shows.
This.
A good JSP at an economical price would be great.
Quote from: Frag Nasty on January 15 2016 09:11:52 AM MST
I'd be happy just to see some new quality, bonded JHP or JSP bullets that are designed to run at 10mm velocities.
Federal came out with that 180 JSP load a while back, but right now it's unobtanium. I'd love to be able to source that bullet.
Some 155's that are designed to run at 1300 to 1450 would be great. Everything out there is designed to run at .40 velocities and it shows.
Nosler
Quote from: Frag Nasty on January 15 2016 03:12:44 PM MST
Quote from: Captain_Witness on January 15 2016 10:15:04 AM MST
Quote from: Frag Nasty on January 15 2016 09:11:52 AM MST
I'd be happy just to see some new quality, bonded JHP or JSP bullets that are designed to run at 10mm velocities.
Federal came out with that 180 JSP load a while back, but right now it's unobtanium. I'd love to be able to source that bullet.
Some 155's that are designed to run at 1300 to 1450 would be great. Everything out there is designed to run at .40 velocities and it shows.
Nosler
Can you expound?
Does Nosler have a new bullet that runs at 10mm velocities?
Yes.. check this out.. it's my main carry load, 2 of them, (1500+ FPS) then one 115 grain Le High penetrator(1700 FPS).....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkUm7iegNbM
Nosler makes 150, 180 and 200 grain as well
http://www.nosler.com/10mm-auto/
I am on the other end. Nosler 200 grain at 1200 fps. The 135's don't achieve minimum 12" penetration.
Quote from: sqlbullet on January 16 2016 09:43:20 AM MST
I am on the other end. Nosler 200 grain at 1200 fps. The 135's don't achieve minimum 12" penetration.
I'm 9 inches front to back and I'm a pretty big guy. I'm happy with a full 750 foot lbs transfer at + or - 11 inches, although every 3rd round in my mags are the 115 grain Underwood/Lehigh penetrators..
It is a 15 minute walk from my front porch to rocky mountain bear country. In fact, DNR commonly has bear issues 10 miles into the city the other way.
Would you feel good about 11" of penetration if you thought you were about equally likely on a given day to need to defend against a bear?
No, would carry a few mags of 200 grain hardcast.. BUT having said that, even out there, bipedal bad actors are likely more of a threat than bears, and if I were truly concerned about bears I would most certainly pack a 12 GA stoked with slugs, or my SIG 556R/HK91
Yeah. That will conceal well at my office.
Quote from: sqlbullet on January 17 2016 03:45:33 PM MST
Yeah. That will conceal well at my office.
You got bears at your office? Are you a cop? ;D
This is the thing folks that don't live out here just don't get. My office is 10 minutes from downtown SLC, 5 minutes from my house and 300 yards from a national forest. I see mule deer on the street my house is on at least once each year. I sit in my chair and watch the elk graze the side of the mountain.
Do I expect to see a bear in the parking lot? No more than I expect to be mugged down there, but given my proximity to bear country, it is an eventuality I need to consider.
To be honest, after all the reading, I found there to be not a huge difference and my LGS had the Nosler's in stock, and quite a bit cheaper than the out of stock XTP's. If both were there for about the same price, I would probably go with the XTP.
Quote from: sqlbullet on January 18 2016 04:51:02 PM MST
This is the thing folks that don't live out here just don't get. My office is 10 minutes from downtown SLC, 5 minutes from my house and 300 yards from a national forest. I see mule deer on the street my house is on at least once each year. I sit in my chair and watch the elk graze the side of the mountain.
Do I expect to see a bear in the parking lot? No more than I expect to be mugged down there, but given my proximity to bear country, it is an eventuality I need to consider.
I was raised in rural Northern California and now have rural land on the Olympic Peninsula, WA State where we are about to build our dream retreat home. I was out there last week supervising some heavy equipment work, and I carried a KAHR 45 in my Carhartts, and a SIG 556R (7.62 x 39 with the best loads available, such as SST) slung over my back. I mostly carried the rifle for bipedal miscreants, as bears (unless old, sick and starving) try to avoid man. I've been in many remote forests and seen and heard black bears, but none have ever attacked me. Alternately men have attempted to do so many times. I guess it's all about percentages for me
(Non-handgun) I think the ultimate bear gun is a SBR in 458 SOCOM loaded with Lehigh defense penetrator. 10 round mag 2-point tactical sling. I also think this would be a very good weapon for law enforcment in remote areas.
Honestly I really like my 10 MM but hardcast are great bullets for penetration but Hawk 200 grain SP with a .035" Jacket is hard to beat.
That said if I was depending on handgun vs bear I would carry my 44 mag with 275 Grain Jacketed sp or the Partition loaded hot.
How about Nosler returning the original 170 grain JHP bullet to the .40 caliber lineup. (It worked in 1984, why not now)? We could launch it from a 5" barrel at 1350-1400 fps for the original Norma velocities. At 1400 fps, the muzzle velocity of the 170 grain slug generates 741 fpe. (Strangely enough that's the energy the .44 Remington Magnum generates from the S&W Model 29)!
I believe the original Norma Amotfors of Sweden load for the 10mm were the best. When you can drop a good size hog with a 200 grain slug cranking out of a 5" pistol barrel at 1200+ fps, i can't see a real "shortcoming" of the original Norma fodder. Agreed?
The Marlin 1894 Lever, 10mm mod would be nice, but I'd have to add-in a 10mm Ruger Blackhawk too
A Ruger Ranch Rifle in 10mm to go with a nice 10mm Redhawk would be fun
And a 10mm M1 Carbine mod to pair-up to my Delta Gold Cup or Witness
Even though I hate the Glock Pistol, I might have to get a Gen 2 (or 3) G20, Longslide (don't like the Sight System of the G40) to run with my MG (MechTech / Glock) 20 Carbine
I really love a nice Rifle / Pistol Combo 8)