Ok guys, I am ready to jump in. I carry a Shield 40 daily and want to pick up a 10mm for woods carry and hunting. I have been looking at this forum and Glock Talk for months now. I have almost ruled out the G20 and G40 due to wanting a steel gun with a safety.
My choices right now in order of my preference are:
1. EAA Witness Elite Stock III
2. EAA Witness Hunter
3. Sig P220-10 SAO
4. Kimber TLE/RL II
5. G40 MOS
So what do you guys think? I want to stay under $1500 and preferably as close to $1k as possible.
I will carry the gun concealed occasionally in a shoulder rig, but mostly it will ride on my hip or in a chest rig in the woods. I do intend to shoot whitetails in Alabama with it and probably some hogs as well.
I will be running Underwood or handlloads only - I already have a 40.
Witness Hunter and G40 MOS are both pretty big guns for CCW. Not that you can't do it, it just will be really uncomfortable and awkward. FYI, my every day carry for three years was a Para P16-40 converted to 10mm, so I am no stranger to carrying a big heavy gun concealed.
I like capacity over 10 rounds, so of your list, given the possibility of CCW I would choose the Elite Stock II. Personally, I wouldn't pay the weight penalty of the long dust cover and would opt for a stock I, but if you are OK with the extra heft, the Stock II is good to go.
Second choice would be a 1911, but I would opt for a Razorback in the sub $1500 1911 options.
Toss out the CCW requirement and the Witness Hunter is the clear choice to me.
Best bang for the buck out there is EAA Match
Thanks guys.
CCW isn't a must, but more of a convenience.
So what is the main difference between the Match, Stock I, Stock II, and Stock III?
Rock Island Ultra FS not on the list because...?
Do you want DA/SA or SA only? That's the main question in the Witness line. We don't have any testing on the Grand Power 10mm yet, but have you taken a look at it? It has the feel of a Witness and will be lighter.
Any of those are a great choice. The kimber I have no experience with. you mentioned you wanted a steel gun. I see youve still included the G40. Mine has been very reliable and the finish is nearly indestructable. I am a big fan of the tangfoglio line as well. The finishes are kind of weak though. For woods carry I would consider getting them repainted with gun koat.
Yes... Steel fan here as well! You might find the standard Witness just fine. The Stock II is DA/SA and 4.5" barrel. Very nice! I don't think for woods you would want the 3.6" compact version?
Quote from: ZanderMan on February 05 2016 12:08:44 PM MST
Rock Island Ultra FS not on the list because...?
Cause I didn't know that it existed...
Quote from: Intercooler on February 05 2016 03:18:34 PM MST
Yes... Steel fan here as well! You might find the standard Witness just fine. The Stock II is DA/SA and 4.5" barrel. Very nice! I don't think for woods you would want the 3.6" compact version?
No. I want at least a 4.25 inch barrel.
Do you want double action?
Im partial, but I would have to say look for one of the sigs on gunbroker before they are all gone.
Quote from: Intercooler on February 05 2016 03:54:20 PM MST
Do you want double action?
I would prefer DA/SA but SAO is ok.
Hmmm, on your list and wants I say the Kimber.
Witness Stock I, Stock II, Stock III or the Sig P220
I say forget the CC you have gun for that purpose stick with that. For hunting or woods carry I highly recommend the Model 40 MOS with a good red dot site mounted.. This will allow for accurate shots on game but could be used for SD of that is nessecery while you are hunting. I have run SD drills with MOS and it is just unbelievable how well I put bullets in the KZ and the times are really good. All that said it is not a CC weapon but a great competition and Hunting gun. At the price point you are talking you can get the Glock model 40 and really good optic to go with it.
But it's still plastic.
You can't just have one 10mm. It really starts at three.
Glock 29
Glock 20 or 40
SW 1006
Then get a 10mm carbine
Tangfolio
Yes indeed plastic but executed very well one of the best Glocks yet and a fantastic platform. Let's keep in mind Glock stayed true to us 10mm lovers when others shunned us...... ;D ;D
Quote from: BrowningGuy88 on February 05 2016 03:45:44 PM MST
Quote from: ZanderMan on February 05 2016 12:08:44 PM MST
Rock Island Ultra FS not on the list because...?
Cause I didn't know that it existed...
It's a heck of a deal...
(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii129/cherryz32/Guns/RIA1911/13ABCFDC-E5D2-4765-B9BC-A315C0962A65.jpg)
You can also get a high capacity version... http://armscor.com/firearms/tac-series/tac-ultra-fs-hc-9mm/
My 10mm History (journey)
1) RIA Tact II
2) Tanfoglio Match (then got other calibers for this gun - slides & barrels)
3) Tanfoglio Elite (then got other calibers for this gun - slides & barrels)
4) Glock 40 MOS - 1st Glock; Big Bang for the Buck. (I only like the Gen 4s, Glock guys think this is weird )
5) Glock 29 for Carry
6) 10mm AR from RMW Extreme - 16" rifle
7) Glock 20 slide & barrel (top end)
--- Got pretty good deal on Glock 41 MOS (use the frame mostly for the 20) Shot a few rounds of .45
8) Used Sig 220 SAO Elite
Your never done with 10mm. Heck I might sell one of the Tanfos to fund a 10.5" 10mm upper (But I haven't sold any 10mm guns yet cause they are all fun)
I say, start with the Tanfoglio unless your eyesight needs the optic, then 40 MOS
Right now, I am still up in the air so please keep the opinions coming. I hope to get to a shop that has a couple EAA Witnesses and a Glock 20/21 or 40/41 in stock to compare.
That RIA Tac looks real interesting!
Look for a Canadian Para 16-40, ream barrel,re spring add EGW flat bottom fPS and you are good to go for well under 1K with 17 rounds
Quote from: Pablo on February 05 2016 07:38:30 PM MST
You can't just have one 10mm. It really starts at three.
I think he is really on to something in my own personal experience!
Quote from: BrowningGuy88 on February 05 2016 10:51:43 AM MST
So what is the main difference between the Match, Stock I, Stock II, and Stock III?
Elite Match has a 4.75" standard barrel, SAO, Novak style adjustable rear sight, blue slide, chrome frame two tone, standard length dust cover with rail.
Stock I is 4.5" cone barrel, DA/SA, Novak style adjustable rear sight, checkered front and back strap, chrome slide and frame, standard length dust cover, no rail.
Stock II is a 4.5" cone barrel, DA/SA, Bo-Mar style adjustable rear sight, full-length dust cover no rail, squared trigger guard, checkered front and back strap, chrome slide and frame.
Stock III is a 4.75" cone barrel, DA/SA, Bo-Mar style adjustable rear sight, full-length dust cover with rail, squared trigger guard, checkered front and back strap, blue slide and frame.
I have never been entirely clear if in the elite line the silver is hard chrome finish or stainless steel. I even own one, and I still am not sure. It is NOT the terrible "wonder" finish of the standard line. It is very durable either way.
what's the weight difference between the Witness and the Model 40?
The G40 is 28.15 oz unloaded and the Witnesses range from 35 to 44 oz unloaded.
thank you I was too lazy to research it.
Of course you will love the Sig 10mm, I have the DA/SA model and it is awesome :)
Quote from: ZanderMan on February 05 2016 12:08:44 PM MST
Rock Island Ultra FS not on the list because...?
Because it's a Rock Island.
What is wrong with Rock Island? I think every single person on this forum who has one is a happy customer. Yes, they sometimes have issues, but the reports are that Armscor promptly attends to customer service requests, eats the costs associated, and generally provides compensating goods back to the owner for their trouble.
You need two really. If you want to CCW while you're hiking or bowhunting, then perhaps a smaller pistol is in order? Something with a 4 inch barrel should be concealable enough. Then you need an open carry version to be used when you're actually hunting.
I have a RIA TAC Ultra MS (4.25 Commander size), that I conceal in the side pouch of my backpack. It's easily accessible, yet concealed. I also have a newly acquired EAA Witness Hunter that I will open carry. I haven't even bought a holster for it yet, but it will satisfy as my hunting sidearm.
...so yea, you need two. ;D
Here's my Rock 10, with a few customizations: Cerakoted in Burnt Bronze, with custom-melt treatment, Wilson trigger and MSH, Truglo sights, etc...
(http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm241/ReverendPDP/IMG_0788_zpsez8buh3g.jpg) (http://s298.photobucket.com/user/ReverendPDP/media/IMG_0788_zpsez8buh3g.jpg.html)
And my brand new, never fired Tanfoglio Hunter. I'm thinking about putting an optic sight on this one.
(http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm241/ReverendPDP/IMG_0197_zpsxllddecv.jpg) (http://s298.photobucket.com/user/ReverendPDP/media/IMG_0197_zpsxllddecv.jpg.html)
Quote from: Reverendpdp on February 08 2016 08:40:33 AM MST
Here's my Rock 10, with a few customizations: Cerakoted in Burnt Bronze, with custom-melt treatment, Wilson trigger and MSH, Truglo sights, etc...
(http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm241/ReverendPDP/IMG_0788_zpsez8buh3g.jpg) (http://s298.photobucket.com/user/ReverendPDP/media/IMG_0788_zpsez8buh3g.jpg.html)
And my brand new, never fired Tanfoglio Hunter. I'm thinking about putting an optic sight on this one.
(http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm241/ReverendPDP/IMG_0197_zpsxllddecv.jpg) (http://s298.photobucket.com/user/ReverendPDP/media/IMG_0197_zpsxllddecv.jpg.html)
Those are some beautiful pistols.
I am seriously leaning to the Elite Stock II or the Hunter. However, I find myself really wanting to try the G40 and a 1911 in 10mm.
Quote from: steelcityfishanddive on February 07 2016 07:40:46 PM MST
Quote from: ZanderMan on February 05 2016 12:08:44 PM MST
Rock Island Ultra FS not on the list because...?
Because it's a Rock Island.
This. Of the couple dozen or so RIA pistols I've had at my range (of various calibers, including 10mm), none of them, not a single one, would run reliably without being "fixed", either by me, the owner, or the distributor. A few of them never did run, and were refunded or replaced (and they didn't run out of the box, either). Ultimately, if you want one to run like a Kimber, buy a Kimber. It's cheaper in the end. I'd take one if you gave it to me, but I wouldn't spend my money on one, at any price. Of course, any new firearm can have issues, and I've had issues with every new handgun brand at one time or another over the years (generally an exception, not the rule with most), save one. Take a guess at the brand. It isn't Charter Arms.
Just get a Witness and feed it anything your heart desires with a big smile on your face ;D
Quote from: Intercooler on February 08 2016 01:18:24 PM MST
Just get a Witness and feed it anything your heart desires with a big smile on your face ;D
That's where everything is pointing!
Now just to decide 6" Hunter or a Stock....
Maybe a dumb question but why not a S&W 1000 series? I just bought a 1076.
I tried to attach a photo of my gun, but it's too large. Even a stock photo from the internet is too large.
Time to visit FAQ .
Quote from: Intercooler on February 08 2016 01:18:24 PM MST
Just get a Witness and feed it anything your heart desires with a big smile on your face ;D
As does the Glock and that puts a smile on everyone's face...... :D :D :D
Does the Witness come in 10 round magazines?
Quote from: Triathloncoach on February 08 2016 06:57:26 PM MST
Maybe a dumb question but why not a S&W 1000 series? I just bought a 1076.
I tried to attach a photo of my gun, but it's too large. Even a stock photo from the internet is too large.
Time to visit FAQ .
I have never laid eyes on one personally. I can and have put my hands on the Witnesses, 1911s, and Glocks. I like to know how a gun feels before I purchase it.
Quote from: Wolfie on February 08 2016 08:06:41 PM MST
Does the Witness come in 10 round magazines?
Call EAA. All the large frame Guns use the same mags. You would think Mecgar makes them for OEM
Don't forget the Limited Pro! This is my main 10mm shooter:
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=540405679
I'll let y'all know on the Rock Tact II FS... Took it to the range on Friday and had one cartridge fail to properly eject. Not exactly a stovepipe, but it only happened with one of my two mags and only with the PMC Bronze 200gr. Shot PPU JHP 180gr and Armscor 180gr with no issues. May be a mag problem, dunno, will try again next trip.
(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii129/cherryz32/Guns/RIA1911/6E024582-014D-4B42-95A0-A75BEC688A5B.jpg)
It met my needs for 1911 + 10mm + affordable, and I don't plan to do much work on it... May change out the firing pin retainer for a flat-bottomed one and experiment with springs but that's about it. It's a range gun and may try it out hunting if I get the chance.
My home defense pistol is a Springfield XD with light, Federal HST's and 2 extra mags...
Check your extractor tension. I would guess the brass is slipping the extractor hook before the ejector beans it.
i had a whole thread about my rock island woes...my tac 1911 was a pos...hope i was the only one, back to the factory twice, still wouldnt feed hot stuff or armscorp easy stuff reliability..sold it to a 1911 buddy of mine who took it as a project gun. sorry, mine was horrible, i tried different springs, mags, ammo, 2 trips to factory(they are great about that by the way, very nice to deal with) it looked super sharp with the vz grips but i cant have an unreliable gun like that. :(..................my glock 40 on the other hand, whole other story ;D
Glocks redefined reliable. Everyone else has had to try to catch up.
The good and the bad about those Rock Islands is that Armscor WILL take care of you. It is unfortunate that so many have to be returned. The QC in the Philippines is atrocious. But maybe it's that way by design? Perhaps the company is happy with the amount of guns returned, and they're able to maintain decent profit margins in spite of all the warranty work they must do? When you think about, most people buy a gun, then simply do not use it. If Armscor is banking on this, then it might be a sound business strategy for them. You and I look at it as lost revenue whenever they have to do so much warranty work, but it's probably not that way at all...
Most of the RIA's I've seen return from the mother ship are completely fixed and problem free. Mine included. That being the case, if you're willing to buy a gun with the understanding that in all likelihood you're going to need to send it in for repair, then the Rock Islands might be another gun to consider.
Quote from: sqlbullet on February 09 2016 01:53:21 PM MST
Glocks redefined reliable. Everyone else has had to try to catch up.
Yep... and they also redefined ugly! :o
... sorry couldn't resist the temptation. 8)
They have grown on me. Not the elegant lines of a 1911 or S&W Model 19.
But a very utilitarian beauty.
Did the 4th Gen G20's do an about face? I know when they first were released we saw a bunch of malfunction issue thread here. Hey... four generations of looking like the same thing it always was ;D
I have not heard as much noise lately.
Quote from: Intercooler on February 09 2016 02:15:07 PM MST
Did the 4th Gen G20's do an about face? I know when they first were released we saw a bunch of malfunction issue thread here. Hey... four generations of looking like the same thing it always was ;D
I had issues early on with a Gen4, but when put in stock configuration it was all good..... Except for UW 220g Hardcast. It doesn't like those at all.
The Tanfoglio Limited Pro has always hit 100% except for one bad magazine which would cause an issue every once it a while, always with the 4th shot left in the gun. Marked the magazine and its been 100% ever since. It eats those 220g Hardcast like candy. Just have to stay out of the lube cloud, or learn to hold your breath... :P It handles hotter ammo than the Glock too without smiled up brass.
Greg
Quote from: sqlbullet on February 09 2016 01:53:21 PM MST
Glocks redefined reliable. Everyone else has had to try to catch up.
Agreed I have run everything from 105 grain DRT to 220 grain Cast from a Mihec. ran 100%.
I have Reeder tuned and reworked RI 1911 Commander it has been flawless. I have read allot about some thier loving care needed on those guns and for the price point a few bucks of after market parts and tender loving care should be good.
Same experience with my Tanfoglio's. They will handle "hot" loads much better than my Glock or Para. I suspect a new barrel in the para would fix most of it's complaints. It appears the previous owner did an aggressive throat job.
What I meant by my statement about Glocks. I remember when they came out in 1982. Back then revolvers ruled for duty guns, and a 1911 from the factory probably would feed 230 grain ball. If you wanted a semi-auto that would feed hollow points reliably, your options were one of the full-size (and weight) "wonder nines", or spend a gob of money having your gun tuned.
Suddenly here was this gun that was relatively inexpensive, lightweight, high capacity and it ate everything. People talk about Glock as the father of the polymer revolution. I tend to think the HK VP70 may have been the father, but the Glock was the the mother that helped it grow up and find it's place. Or maybe the cool cousin that everyone loved.
Here was a gun that had both a long, but not oppressive, trigger pull, and yet a clear, defined, consistent break. It wasn't an SA trigger, it wasn't really a DA trigger either. Certainly not like a Beretta or S&W DA/SA auto.
It left gun writers wanting for a way to describe. So many article included phrases like "you have to experience it to understand".
I don't think the Glock is perfection. The grip is a challenge for many shooters for one. And, there have been many ND's from fingers and shirt-tails getting hooked on a trigger during a re-holster.
But Glock certainly did re-define the rules, and in a very positive way.
Quote from: sqlbullet on February 09 2016 12:11:18 PM MST
Check your extractor tension. I would guess the brass is slipping the extractor hook before the ejector beans it.
Will do... Here are 44 of 60 cases fired that I was able to recover. Only about 4-5 of them have a minor dent at the case opening, I'm guessing from pinging the slide. Oddly, I was not able to find the dented casing after it rolled off the table at the range!
(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii129/cherryz32/Guns/RIA1911/8DB4EF41-FDFC-4E13-B03A-17096B3B1C6C.jpg)
Over half had a smear to the striker dent in the primer...
(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii129/cherryz32/Guns/RIA1911/B3E99251-15A2-4432-87E3-7A35969CCEE7.jpg)
You should see the wipes I get with my Tanfoglios. On lower impulse guns this is blamed on unlock before the pin retracts. I think on our 10mm's it is the FP being thrown back into the primer when the slide heads to the rears.
So more of a second dent than a smear...
No, it is definitely a smear, just long.
Well guys I have to go by the gun shop and look one last time, but I will be purchasing either a Witness Limited Pro or a G20 Gen4.
I have my mind made up on the Witness cause I don't like polymer pistols, but I want to give the Glock one last feel before I discount it.
Decision made and ordered.
I called my FFL this morning on the way home from work and was talking 10mm with him and he offered for me to come by his house and shoot his 4 with his ammo. Why not?
I shot a EAA Witness Steel, a Kimber TLE, a G20SF, and a G29SF. I was shooting his handloads with Nosler 180 grain hollow points over I believe Blue Dot and Longshot. Anyway, I like the G20SF the best so I asked him to order me a Lipsey's FDE G20 Gen 4. It is the one with both frame and slide in FDE. I will put it on layaway and get it when it is paid off. $650 plus tax.
Congrats! I very much like my Glock 20SF. On my hip right now in fact.
Quote from: BrowningGuy88 on February 12 2016 05:16:25 PM MST
I like the G20SF the best so I asked him to order me a Lipsey's FDE G20 Gen 4. It is the one with both frame and slide in FDE. $650 plus tax.
Winning!!
Thanks guys!
I am going to get a Blackhawk Serpa belt holster I believe.
I know I want a Diamond D Guides Choice for woods carry.
I will also be looking into a Galco Miami shoulder holster should I feel the need to conceal it and 46 rounds of awesome.
I guess Steel and with a safety wasn't really on the list after all.
Quote from: Intercooler on February 12 2016 05:47:26 PM MST
I guess Steel and with a safety wasn't really on the list after all.
It was, but I liked the Glock shooting them all.
That's pretty key in the list of haves. Depending on what you find out with it shooting upper end ammo (or just as a precaution) you might want to swap the barrel for one with better support.
Quote from: Intercooler on February 12 2016 06:05:25 PM MST
That's pretty key in the list of haves. Depending on what you find out with it shooting upper end ammo (or just as a precaution) you might want to swap the barrel for one with better support.
The Glock OEM barrel is fine, with any factory ammo. The worst that may happen is some of the brass may not be (safely) reloaded (due to smiles). This is only a problem for those who collect the brass for reloading or trading. Any load pushed beyond the limits will KB! any pistol or barrel, and the Glock is not any "weaker" than the rest. In fact, the generous Glock chamber and throat actually allows for a pressure safety margin the tighter, match-type barrels don't have. If you are a competent handloader, you control that factor and should know to stop well before that becomes a factor. If you are a handloader and routinely push max pressure or shoot Underwood or other boutique "full power" ammo that comes with a "fully supported chamber" disclaimer, an aftermarket barrel may be a good idea. Still, if they don't KB! your aftermarket barrel, they won't in the Glock barrel.
I fully intend to get a Lone Wolf barrel.
I will eventually get a 4.6" and 6.375" threaded from them.
First order of business is a holster and then a set of adjustable night sights.
Are the Glock barrels good with lead now too? I know he mentioned hunting and might go with a hardcast if that's one of the goals.
Quote from: Intercooler on February 12 2016 07:12:22 PM MST
Are the Glock barrels good with lead now too? I know he mentioned hunting and migh go with a hardcast if that's one of the goals.
Not according to Glock. Same warning. However, I and nearly everyone I know shoot lead through the OEM barrels, and I haven't heard of an actual incident since 1980-something. And then, it was only with the first Gen 9mm and only one or two notable incidents. Nowadays, plated and coated bullets are the same price or cheaper than lead, so there's no advantage unless you cast/swage your own. Properly sized and lubed lead bullets can eliminate leading, completely.
Properly sized is the key, and is difficult as Glock barrels slug large. Unless you cast your own, you won't find them big enough. I need .403" minimum.
Quote from: Intercooler on February 12 2016 07:12:22 PM MST
Are the Glock barrels good with lead now too? I know he mentioned hunting and might go with a hardcast if that's one of the goals.
I will not be shooting lead in the stock barrel.
Quote from: BrowningGuy88 on February 12 2016 07:06:33 PM MST
I fully intend to get a Lone Wolf barrel.
I will eventually get a 4.6" and 6.375" threaded from them.
First order of business is a holster and then a set of adjustable night sights.
Just me thoughts, plus I wanted to save you a buck or two. I would keep and carry the Glock 4.6" and buy 1 6.375" barrel for the cool factor and velocity gain. Good luck and great choice on the Glock. I have 2 10mm Glocks and 2 10mm Witness pistols. Love all of 'em.
Quote from: Dave84 on February 14 2016 03:24:53 PM MST
Quote from: BrowningGuy88 on February 12 2016 07:06:33 PM MST
I fully intend to get a Lone Wolf barrel.
I will eventually get a 4.6" and 6.375" threaded from them.
First order of business is a holster and then a set of adjustable night sights.
Just me thoughts, plus I wanted to save you a buck or two. I would keep and carry the Glock 4.6" and buy 1 6.375" barrel for the cool factor and velocity gain. Good luck and great choice on the Glock. I have 2 10mm Glocks and 2 10mm Witness pistols. Love all of 'em.
I will be getting the 6.xx first. I will only buy the 4.6 if I have chamber issues.
I have thousands of rounds through my 20SF they are great guns. I will add the DD chest holster is fantastic. I really like mine because I usually have a pack on when hunting.
Quote from: Ramjet on February 15 2016 08:25:46 PM MST
I have thousands of rounds through my 20SF they are great guns. I will add the DD chest holster is fantastic. I really like mine because I usually have a pack on when hunting.
Link? Sounds interesting...
I hate Glocks...owned a few of them in the past and never liked how they felt in my hands or how they shot.
I picked up a LE trade in G21 Gen 3 to convert to 10mm. I have a Storm Lake barrel and bought 15 mags for my first 10mm. I am planning on doing grip reduction and try stippling once I remove finger grooves and grip reduction.
Glocks are easy to get holsters and mag holders for, so that is why I ultimately went with another Glock.
Quote from: munchie3409 on February 15 2016 09:36:31 PM MST
I hate Glocks...owned a few of them in the past and never liked how they felt in my hands or how they shot.
I picked up a LE trade in G21 Gen 3 to convert to 10mm. I have a Storm Lake barrel and bought 15 mags for my first 10mm. I am planning on doing grip reduction and try stippling once I remove finger grooves and grip reduction.
Glocks are easy to get holsters and mag holders for, so that is why I ultimately went with another Glock.
I liked the way it felt, but available market items make it the most attractive offering.
Of the pistols on your list I have the Kimber Custom TLE/RL II in 10mm. This is my EDC gun and I highly recommend it. It comes with night sights and I'd recommend getting a Surefire 300 Ultra weapon light. It has a quick release so you can carry it in a pocket or in your vehicle and put it on in a snap (or take it off as quickly).
I bought a number of Tripp Research Cobra 10rd magazines for it. I'm using Underwood Ammo and staying away from common off the shelf 10mm ammo which tends to be underpowered and defeats the purpose of buying a 10mm pistol. Get the Kimber, you'll be glad you did.
The SIG looks interesting. I may pick one up in the future.
I highly recommend the Sig 220 SAO. I also like the witness and Glocks.
You will find that there is a big difference between the standard Witness and the Tanfoglio custom shop pistols, i.e Match, Hunter, Stock, etc.
Quote from: blfuller on March 15 2016 09:51:02 PM MDT
You will find that there is a big difference between the standard Witness and the Tanfoglio custom shop pistols, i.e Match, Hunter, Stock, etc.
Totally agree with this.