I wish glock would make a glock 36 sized gun but in 10mm, but what is the thinnest concealed carry option in 10 mm. I own a glock 29, but it is thick, is the eaa polymer compact thinnest or what are the 1911 options like compared to glock 29
EAA's compact would be great, unreliable.
1911, commander frame, officer frame. Found a Briley in .40, had Briley fit a 10mm barrel. Great ccw piece. Unfortunately, for some stupid reason I sold it.
RIA has a Commander size 10MM now. It has a steel frame so it's not as light as your Glock 29, but it's thinner. I'm in no way connected to this seller, but here's a listing for the RIA:http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=555237457
Quote from: pacapcop on April 26 2016 07:07:39 PM MDT
EAA's compact would be great, unreliable.
I have no experience with the EAA Compact, but "unreliable" does not equal "great". Especially for a defensive weapon. If it doesn't run (100%), it doesn't pack. No exceptions.
I see a LOT of posts (too many), here and elsewhere, with folks complaining about issues with their "carry" weapons, having to "fix" them to run right, or near right. Those of us who carry do so for a very specific purpose, which we hope to never exercise. However, when/if that ever does happen, it MUST work, first time, every time. If your pistol doesn't like certain ammo (usually not mainstream stuff), or has an "occasional hiccup", either stay away from that ammo, or choose another weapon (or caliber) for your EDC. The list you should be making, or looking at, is the list of PROVEN platforms. Your life, or perhaps mine, may depend on it. As an old-timer once told me, "If you're so concerned about what's in the wagon you forget to feed the mule, you're doing it wrong." Failure is not an option.
I think he is saying it is a great size for carry, but unreliable for defense.
And it weighs a good bit more than a Glock 29. I have generally found weight to be the real deal killer.
Quote from: sqlbullet on April 27 2016 09:59:38 AM MDT
I think he is saying it is a great size for carry, but unreliable for defense.
And it weighs a good bit more than a Glock 29. I have generally found weight to be the real deal killer.
I agree, weight is a deal killer. A G20 with 15 rounds of 180 gr. ammo is heavier than many/most ideal carry weapons, and it isn't small. I'm a big fan of heavy bullets, but they get heavier in bulk. Where and how you carry is also a serious factor. I often ankle-holster a G33. The difference between ten 90 gr. bullets vs. ten 115 gr. bullets is less than an ounce total, but I can feel the difference. Belt, IWB, or shoulder is less of an issue, of course. If size and/or weight is a serious concern with conceal carry, let's be real. 10mm, and .45ACP in many cases, is not a realistic option (.45GAP has potential). There are many suitable platforms that offer as much or more collective power (bullet energy plus capacity). I choose the subcompact Glock .357 Sig for that reason. A 90 gr. XTP @ 1700 FPS (tested in my carry weapon, 3.46" barrel) is no slouch, even compared to 10mm defense ammo. The actual bullet energy exceeds many (if not most) off-the-shelf 10mm defense ammo, especially if barrel lengths are considered.
However, in regards to my previous reply, weight and size is absolutely irrelevant if the pistol is "unreliable", for any reason. The OP's question was about "carry". A reliable Desert Eagle in my skivvies is an option, while an unreliable LCP in my pocket is not. (That is an extreme comparison. A Desert Eagle in my skivvies is not a realistic option.) Packing an unreliable (for any reason) pistol is irresponsible.
Ahh but it's numbers... Like a golf drive or big HP numbers.... It only gets ya so far. 😜😜😜
I went G29 cause of what everyone said and has discovered. But I also switch to the 10MM lil brother the 40 for summer carry.
Few years back the G23 was IT, FOR EDC. BEFORE THAT the Commander LWT 45 was IT. times, opinions and feelings change. For us the state finally recognized the CP here isn't a CCP. OPEN carry has always been legal, but CONCEALED was vieamently inforced. Now printing or barrels peeking are not a worry. It's no longer a "brandishing" ticket.
SO the bigger 29 was bought. For me, a few customers, moved me to the Shield40. Wonderful lil gun and easily concealable in a t shirt!!
I looked at the 357 sig, it's numbers are exciting, but drop fast as heavier bunkers are chosen. It's a small cap case. Better than the nine! Not equal to the 357 or 40 and surely not the 10. The handicap for both the sig and 10 are same... Bullets. The 10 out performs most of its buckets cause the "skirts" can't take the recoil and favor the 40. So bucket makers make .40 cal bullets to preform at the lower 40 S&W velocity range. SO heavier slugs are chosen to reap benefits of the caliber.
The other thing that is never measured is bullet diameter. We all should know a same weight bullet, constructed adequately but of different diameters will penetrate better when smaller. But handguns general lack the motivation to be penetrators. So buckets are thin jacketed to expand. Velocity range is a real concern in handgun bullets. Fast moving light bullets flatten and don't penetrate.
I would be very concerned with that 90g @ 1700 for defense!!! There is NOT A 90 g I know of built to preform at that velocity.
I don't know why the 40 holds such disdain for folks. We are all 10 fans, you can't hold anything against a inanimate oddest like a caliber for what it " did" to the 10MM! "It" don't know anything! "It" has respectable numbers and diameter all fitting in a smaller package. It's popular enough to have made it into nearly every gun it could be. That's a good thing for all.
CW
The smallest 10mm for carry is the Shield 40... Once you get smaller than the 29sf, to me the 10 has to much recoil with real 10mm ammo.
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Quote from: pacapcop on April 26 2016 07:07:39 PM MDT
EAA's compact would be great, unreliable.
I wish they could make the gun run. It feels so good!!!!
It has to be the magazine, and no one else makes one. The big frame eat absolutely everything without an issue. The compacts just torture you. Right when you think you are getting somewhere (three mag fulls without FTF) it will screw up three rounds on the 4th.
Best with light springs and light ammo. I don't carry it where humans (or dangerous critters) are a possibility.
My problem is I don't like the idea of Glocks IWB (no safe, no double action trigger pull) so I don't carry 10mm. Get someone to make a mag for the Tanfolio compact and that would change.
I do often carry a G20 outside the belt when hunting in wolf country. I'll be damned if I'll loose a dog or chance an aggressive pack without at least making a fight out of it.
Greg
Quote from: Geeman on April 27 2016 05:50:45 PM MDT
Quote from: pacapcop on April 26 2016 07:07:39 PM MDT
EAA's compact would be great, unreliable.
I wish they could make the gun run. It feels so good!!!!
It has to be the magazine, and no one else makes one. The big frame eat absolutely everything without an issue. The compacts just torture you. Right when you think you are getting somewhere (three mag fulls without FTF) it will screw up three rounds on the 4th.
Get someone to make a mag for the Tanfolio compact and that would change.
Greg
Try running a Semi Compact:
(https://i.imgur.com/6bbtQpu.jpg)
Quote from: 48conkli on April 26 2016 06:23:42 PM MDT
I wish glock would make a glock 36 sized gun but in 10mm, but what is the thinnest concealed carry option in 10 mm. I own a glock 29, but it is thick, is the eaa polymer compact thinnest or what are the 1911 options like compared to glock 29
What holster are you using for carry? Just wondering.
I quit looking at smaller guns for carry. I found with the right belt and holster I can conceal and be comfortable with just about any full size gun. Even the Witness stock III does very well for me.
Edit. If I were looking for the thinnest and most reliable it would be Dan Wesson commander size c- Bob or v-Bob.
Quote from: Blades on April 28 2016 09:45:18 AM MDT
Quote from: 48conkli on April 26 2016 06:23:42 PM MDT
I wish glock would make a glock 36 sized gun but in 10mm, but what is the thinnest concealed carry option in 10 mm. I own a glock 29, but it is thick, is the eaa polymer compact thinnest or what are the 1911 options like compared to glock 29
What holster are you using for carry? Just wondering.
I only have a kydex OTW for the 29, any recommendation? I currently carry a lcr 357 but would like to carry a 10mm sometimes.
I carry with a JS IWB made from a single piece kydex but has two retention screws for adjustment. I carry the G29 or G30 with this holster, securely. Even bathroom breaks it hangs on to the belt and could be accessed if needed, that way you don't accidently leave it in a stall. It is easy to slide inside the pants and the molded belt clip slides over the belt where you can tuck the clip under the belt... :D
http://armory.jsholsters.com/shop/item.aspx?itemid=2060 (http://armory.jsholsters.com/shop/item.aspx?itemid=2060)
Quote from: 48conkli on April 29 2016 12:44:15 PM MDT
Quote from: Blades on April 28 2016 09:45:18 AM MDT
Quote from: 48conkli on April 26 2016 06:23:42 PM MDT
I wish glock would make a glock 36 sized gun but in 10mm, but what is the thinnest concealed carry option in 10 mm. I own a glock 29, but it is thick, is the eaa polymer compact thinnest or what are the 1911 options like compared to glock 29
What holster are you using for carry? Just wondering.
I only have a kydex OTW for the 29, any recommendation? I currently carry a lcr 357 but would like to carry a 10mm sometimes.
I am enjoying my Advanced Holster GL-1( http://advancedholster.com/products/mini-gl-1 (http://advancedholster.com/products/mini-gl-1) ). I have the production version with the optional Ulticlip( http://advancedholster.com/products/ulticlip (http://advancedholster.com/products/ulticlip) ). He also makes a custom kydex version. I'm no gun-toting expert, barely a novice, but I think because of the minimal design it works great with the wider G29. Brent (owner of Advanced Holster) is also a friend of mine, so I am partial. :)
I carry a Bond Arms Cowboy Defender two shot Derringer style during the summer. As far as I know it's the smallest 10mm on the market. Obviously capacity is limited but I carry an extra six rounds on my belt. I've become pretty fast at reloading.
hey Patriot, how painful is that bond arms 10mm to shoot? I have been curious about them ever since I saw the ads in a gun rag some time ago.
I have a AMERICAN derringer in 45COLT/410. I have fired some warmer 45colts and it "buzzes" your hand. The 10MM is less than that and the BOND as well as the AD, has a broad grip and good weight. I have fired many calibers in a derringer thru the years. I don't think that a 10MM would be too bad at all.
Dont get me wrong, its not a good choice for a Saturday plinker, but as a defensive firearm, you will not kill your hand practicing with it.
CW
Quote from: fernpatch on May 01 2016 11:19:08 AM MDT
hey Patriot, how painful is that bond arms 10mm to shoot? I have been curious about them ever since I saw the ads in a gun rag some time ago.
It's not bad. I imagine I wouldn't notice the recoil if I had to use it for an emergency. I'd just be glad I had it.
If you want something that carries why not just consider getting a Glock 23 or 27? They're not 10mm Auto but they are 10mm, in .40 S&W form. They pack plenty of power for any social (and most non-social) threats.
Quote from: 45BBH on May 03 2016 06:18:36 AM MDT
If you want something that carries why not just consider getting a Glock 23 or 27? They're not 10mm Auto but they are 10mm, in .40 S&W form. They pack plenty of power for any social (and most non-social) threats.
Many calibers and platforms are suitable for carry. This isn't about those others we already know about. I often carry a 10mm in a multiple of platforms, depending on my mood. However, it is not my "most often" carried. I always carry .357Sig or .40SW (with or without the 10), where the 10mm's don't fit or conceal. If I had a Derringer-type pistol, I'd hide that somewhere, too. The thought of touching off a healthy dose of Blue Dot from a 1.5" barrel has its own appeal. It would probably scar the mental health and cause recurring nightmares for the attacker, for life. Recoil? Meh.... WIN is all that's matters, at that time. Cry about your hurt paws at the range.
Quote from: The_Shadow on April 29 2016 01:26:00 PM MDT
I carry with a JS IWB made from a single piece kydex but has two retention screws for adjustment. I carry the G29 or G30 with this holster, securely. Even bathroom breaks it hangs on to the belt and could be accessed if needed, that way you don't accidently leave it in a stall. It is easy to slide inside the pants and the molded belt clip slides over the belt where you can tuck the clip under the belt... :D
http://armory.jsholsters.com/shop/item.aspx?itemid=2060 (http://armory.jsholsters.com/shop/item.aspx?itemid=2060)
That is a smart looking set up for my 29. I will be ordering one.
Thanks for the link. Russ
Quote from: Bluefish on May 31 2016 07:07:32 AM MDT
Quote from: The_Shadow on April 29 2016 01:26:00 PM MDT
I carry with a JS IWB made from a single piece kydex but has two retention screws for adjustment. I carry the G29 or G30 with this holster, securely. Even bathroom breaks it hangs on to the belt and could be accessed if needed, that way you don't accidently leave it in a stall. It is easy to slide inside the pants and the molded belt clip slides over the belt where you can tuck the clip under the belt... :D
http://armory.jsholsters.com/shop/item.aspx?itemid=2060 (http://armory.jsholsters.com/shop/item.aspx?itemid=2060)
That is a smart looking set up for my 29. I will be ordering one.
Thanks for the link. Russ
I don't think JS Holsters is in business anymore. :(
Wow, I just went check out the passing of Mike Scharf. So sad!
Quote from: The_Shadow on May 31 2016 10:32:19 AM MDT
Wow, I just went check out the passing of Mike Scharf. So sad!
Yep. :(
Quote from: pacapcop on April 26 2016 07:07:39 PM MDT
EAA's compact would be great, unreliable.
I believe the reliability issues are just with the older mags and the compact model mags with the shorter grip/10rd? capacity. I carry a Witness Polymer full size (14+1 capacity) with a compact 3.6" barrel/slide. With a polished feedramp and wolff springs, it's very reliable. Gotta love the DA for real world daily carry too.
-Phillip
Not the smallest, but about the smallest I want to carry is my Dan Wesson Classic in 10mm. It has a ramped barrel and a bobbed grip. It is all steel which is O.K. for me with 10mm.
(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e193/dakota1911/DANWES10.jpg) (http://s39.photobucket.com/user/dakota1911/media/DANWES10.jpg.html)
That is a beauty Dakota! Russ
I have been known to carry my 1066 on occasion. It pulls my pants down though! :)
I have a G23 and carry it when weight and size becomes an issue. I carry it loaded with Double Taps 200gr hard cast. This set up is the closest to 10mm your are going to get in my opinion. My Glock 23 is 100% stock and have fired 200rds or so without issue.
Here is a link to a converted Chief's Special.
http://10mm-firearms.com/10mm-semi-auto-handguns/thinking-about-buying-a-sw-1066-any-1066-lovers-out-there-pro-or-con/msg30118/#msg30118