Hi guys, new to 10mm and new to reloading (with exception of shotgun).... infact, just got back from shooting 20 rounds that I reloaded earlier today. I just purchased an RIA 1911 in 10mm bull barreled for possibly hunting. Since I am reloading, I was curious as to some recipes or even general data on hunting rounds. I will be hunting Hog-fairly small in Management areas, and if I see a coyote I'll take a shot. I'm thinking a lighter bullet, faster speed would possibly go right through a coyote-killing but not tearing up hide, but in a hog have enough kinetic energy to kill em.
Any thoughts? I know.... trying to kill a 20lb coyote and 150lb hog in one type of round sounds ridiculous, but maybe not?
Thanks!!
if you use a FMJ or hard cast FP bullet it will work o.k. for either animal. if you want a H.P. bullet, an XTP would not damage the pelt much either. they hold together and give good penetration. on a hog, penetration is what I look for in a handgun hunting round. I have killed a few hogs with handguns but not with my 10mm yet. my load is a 200 gr Hornandy XTP HP or a 200gr. plated F.P. bullet over 9.4grs of Blue Dot.
165gr will stop a hog. GDHP or Flat Point running around 1250fps.
Thanks for the replis guys!! Seems like I bought the wrong bullets all together, haha!! I just loaded some Speer Gold HP 155 Grn and 180 JHP with Blue Dot-at least I got the powder right!
The GDHP 155 was over 11.8 grns Blue Dot, about 1250 fps, fun light load... lots of flash!! I use alot of Red Dot in shotshells, seems like Blue is the same when it comes to black residue left on cases...
I forgot to ask, blaster, what's the fps on that load with 200 bullet over 9.4 blue dot? Curious because today's load I made was 180 JHP over 9.5 Blue Dot
My guns will handle 10.5 grains of Blue Dot under the Hornady 200gr XTP seated at 1.252" with 350 CCI 1220 from my S&W1006
Quote from: gehlsurf on October 25 2016 07:25:29 PM MDT
I forgot to ask, blaster, what's the fps on that load with 200 bullet over 9.4 blue dot? Curious because today's load I made was 180 JHP over 9.5 Blue Dot
the book says 1150 fps. the only chronograph I have that is working is one that attaches to a fixed barrel (Magnetospeed bayonet mount) and I can't figure out how to get it to work on a pistol with a moving slide. I need to get my Chrony fixed so I can get some real data but for now I'm going by the book. I would guess that your load is going 1200+ fps. but only a chronograph will tell.
Yeah, about 1200 I think is what the book says, maybe tad more. I don't have a chronograph either, maybe down the road. Right now I have been just sticking to the "middle of the road" loads. My 10mm is ramped and bull barrel, so I would think can actually handle a bit more, but I'm not interested in Max, not in my shottys (I've loaded alot for) or pistol. I think too many people get obsessed with speed and building cannons, if I wanted more, I'd have bought a different caliber. 10mm even in mild seems to be world's better than 45ACP-normal, in trajectory and ballistics, but small enough to be worth while in hunting/self defense, etc.
Quote from: blaster on October 26 2016 05:37:17 AM MDT
the book says 1150 fps. the only chronograph I have that is working is one that attaches to a fixed barrel (Magnetospeed bayonet mount) and I can't figure out how to get it to work on a pistol with a moving slide.
MagnetoSpeed V3 has an attachment for a Picatinny rail, blaster. I use a MS on a CZ P01
Picatinny rail for the bottom of the barrel? Or ontop? My RIA Tac has a rail an the frame-under the barrel
Quote from: amada8 on October 26 2016 11:03:31 PM MDT
Quote from: blaster on October 26 2016 05:37:17 AM MDT
the book says 1150 fps. the only chronograph I have that is working is one that attaches to a fixed barrel (Magnetospeed bayonet mount) and I can't figure out how to get it to work on a pistol with a moving slide.
MagnetoSpeed V3 has an attachment for a Picatinny rail, blaster. I use a MS on a CZ P01
cool! i'll check it out thanks!
(http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff284/amada8/MagnetoSpeed%20Troubleshoot_zpsajdbmqxh.jpg) (http://s237.photobucket.com/user/amada8/media/MagnetoSpeed%20Troubleshoot_zpsajdbmqxh.jpg.html)
This was during my "build". Wooden dowels shows WHY I has shooting a groove into the front 3" of the MS. I added a few shims under the MS adapter plate....and have had zero problems since
(http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff284/amada8/a_zpsubnnt4pl.jpg) (http://s237.photobucket.com/user/amada8/media/a_zpsubnnt4pl.jpg.html)
Here is the bracket with orange shim
(http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff284/amada8/b_zpswmep2pg2.jpg) (http://s237.photobucket.com/user/amada8/media/b_zpswmep2pg2.jpg.html)
uhhhhh, I tried a few thicknesses......
(http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff284/amada8/c_zpsvqn28dhr.jpg) (http://s237.photobucket.com/user/amada8/media/c_zpsvqn28dhr.jpg.html)
With gun mounted...and you can see the orange shim
(http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff284/amada8/e_zpsbrr4tln7.jpg) (http://s237.photobucket.com/user/amada8/media/e_zpsbrr4tln7.jpg.html)
RESULTS!! yeah, pays to have an engineering job... lol
(http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff284/amada8/f_zpsmex0ku1k.jpg) (http://s237.photobucket.com/user/amada8/media/f_zpsmex0ku1k.jpg.html)
Haha, damn engineers, always doing stuff right..... That is cool though, thanks for sharing!!! That looks way more feasible that lugging a full chrono to the range. This lil guy could fit in a range bag pretty easily
I normally load 200 gain XTP with 11.5 grains of Blue Dot and it runs 1200'ish fps.
I'm thinking of trying some of the 220 grain Underwood hard cast loads for both my G20 LS and my 10mm SBR.
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Quote from: Mike D on October 30 2016 10:12:13 AM MDT
I normally load 200 gain XTP with 11.5 grains of Blue Dot and it runs 1200'ish fps.
I'm thinking of trying some of the 220 grain Underwood hard cast loads for both my G20 LS and my 10mm SBR.
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:o Mike D, please check you notes...11.5 is plenty for the 200 grain bullets... :o
Quote from: The_Shadow on October 30 2016 10:25:17 AM MDT
Quote from: Mike D on October 30 2016 10:12:13 AM MDT
I normally load 200 gain XTP with 11.5 grains of Blue Dot and it runs 1200'ish fps.
I'm thinking of trying some of the 220 grain Underwood hard cast loads for both my G20 LS and my 10mm SBR.
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:o Mike D, please check you notes...11.5 is plenty for the 200 grain bullets... :o
I ran into
MY max case expansion at 10.0gr :o
Wow!! Haha, all I can find in the book, lil ring binded book called, The Complete Reloading Manual for 10mm-about 35 pages or less for discription..
Is 200 XTP maxed at 8.9 Gr blue dot, running 1200 fps. You guys maybe be running more than 1200?? Although under the Hercules section they have 200 gr bullet (generic), but 8.8 as max, 1102 fps, 28k pressure.
Where do you guys find these loads? Or is it just testing your own gun with a chronograph?
I'm interested for theory only, and to read more recipes, learned in reloading shotgun you can never have too much load data and options. ;)
Right now I'm just starting to reload and am happy with 200, 180 grns going over 1100, only reason I went 10mm above 45acp is for more speed and better trajectory for hunting. As if I'll ever take a 50 yard shot in FL, LOL. :)) But it's nice to have, plus I won't get bored at the range, gotta a ways to get a grouping at that range, but I find myself bored with most handguns for this reason, my cheap RIA Tac has re-introduced me to handgunning.... my AR (Sig MCX) feels neglected. ;D
my Hornandy book lists 9.4 gr. as the max for Blue Dot and a 200gr. XTP. it also says the velocity is 1150 fps. I started reloading in the late '60s. I have always wondered about different books giving different load data for the same cartridge, powder & bullet combo. I know there are lots of variables to consider like atmospheric conditions, test barrel length, bullet shape etc... but you would think that the data would be closer. another thing that bugs me is if powder weight is so critical, why does Lee include a powder scoop in their die sets. talk about an in accurate way to measure powder! before I knew better, I did lots of things the "wrong way" with no catastrophic results. I have come to the conclusion that the book data is kept wimpy to avoid law suits. I still pretty much go by it but wish it were more factual.
Quote from: gehlsurf on October 30 2016 09:40:50 PM MDT
Wow!! Where do you guys find these loads? Or is it just testing your own gun with a chronograph?
If you're just starting out you would need to work up carefully to any of these loads to see how your firearm would handle it as you test them.
I loaded 10mm from day one 1990 before they listed Blue Dot (all hand weighed and verified). My load was the Hornady 200 grain JHP (before XTP) 10.4 grains based of what I was using in 38 spl, 357 mag and 44 mag back then. I did bump up my load to 10.5 and 10.6 grains as tested from the S&W1006. It is a strong pistol and at that time I had upped the recoil spring to the Wolff 22 lbs spring.
Later Speer put out a supplement to showing a 200 FMJ using 10.5 grains of Blue Dot...hollow points are slightly longer than the TMJ/FMJ bullets so yes the pressure goes up a little more and so did velocity. :D
(http://i1086.photobucket.com/albums/j441/_The_Shadow/Speer10mmSupplmentData.jpg)
Later they revised that info down to 10.0 grains with their 200 TMJ Which I posted here;
http://10mm-firearms.com/reloading-10mm-ammo/loading-for-delta-elite/msg49977/#msg49977 (http://10mm-firearms.com/reloading-10mm-ammo/loading-for-delta-elite/msg49977/#msg49977)
When the Quickloads program came out I asked guys to crunch the numbers for this loading and it showed the peak pressure at 42,628 PSI...velocity would be 1217 fps
(http://i1086.photobucket.com/albums/j441/_The_Shadow/Blue%20Dot_zpsk9e5a093.jpg)
--Edit by sqbullet to correct velocity from 2017 to the 1217 shown in the screenshot. Thanks...The Shadow
Yep blaster, I agree, for all the talk of blowing your gun up, etc, you would think the industry would be a bit more precise, LOL!!!!
Thanks for the posting The_shadow, very interesting!!! It also made me dizzy, haha, too much variance in different loads!! I guess a chronograph is in my next order....
I do find stuff like this interesting, though, I've read all about pressureS in shotgun loading, and have also read that it's almost, I say, ALMOST, impossible to blow up a shotgun with over pressure, most blow from obstruction. There is a great article from a guy that tested shotgun barrels, found most could handle up to 50,000 in pressure... :o Metallic/rifled reloading seems to be different, but none the less, kinda makes one wonder what guns really CAN handle.... but, I'm not gonna try that test, haha. Just would be an interesting read.
Quote from: The_Shadow on October 30 2016 10:25:17 AM MDT
Quote from: Mike D on October 30 2016 10:12:13 AM MDT
I normally load 200 gain XTP with 11.5 grains of Blue Dot and it runs 1200'ish fps.
I'm thinking of trying some of the 220 grain Underwood hard cast loads for both my G20 LS and my 10mm SBR.
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:o Mike D, please check you notes...11.5 is plenty for the 200 grain bullets... :o
Oops my apologies gentlemen. 9.5gr Blue Dot.
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