You guys think a death-grip is needed?
Not sure a death grip...but the Glock definitely doesn't like a limp grip.
I still always think these things can be tuned out.
Quote from: sqlbullet on November 19 2012 06:58:09 PM MST
...the Glock definitely doesn't like a limp grip.
That must only affect some Glock models. I've tried plenty of times to get my Glocks (G20 & G29) to mess up by limp wristing and come to the conclusion that it's impossible. Is something wrong with the models I have??? I feel left out. They just won't mess up. ;D
Depends a good bit on how you reduce your grip. Lots of the videos I see demonstrate the Glock handling fine, but if you watch, they still have the strong hand completely behind the gun, albeit with a light grip.
The real difference I see in videos like this one is the mass of the mount, or frame, compared to the mass of the actual gun, or slide. Polymer guns are less forgiving of the type of grip this video shows, because the frame offers less mass to make up for the lack of positive pressure on the rear of the grip. The XD does better because the grip safety requires a certain amount of grip or the gun won't fire.
It is not a reason to avoid a Glock, or any other polymer gun, but it is a reason to practice drills that simulate reduced strength in the shooting hands. You can't discount the fact that in a self defense situation you may be injured, and therefore have your strength and mobility impaired. So, find out what does and doesn't work with your carry platform.
Quote from: sqlbullet on November 20 2012 07:45:13 AM MST
Depends a good bit on how you reduce your grip. Lots of the videos I see demonstrate the Glock handling fine, but if you watch, they still have the strong hand completely behind the gun, albeit with a light grip.
The real difference I see in videos like this one is the mass of the mount, or frame, compared to the mass of the actual gun, or slide. Polymer guns are less forgiving of the type of grip this video shows, because the frame offers less mass to make up for the lack of positive pressure on the rear of the grip. The XD does better because the grip safety requires a certain amount of grip or the gun won't fire.
It is not a reason to avoid a Glock, or any other polymer gun, but it is a reason to practice drills that simulate reduced strength in the shooting hands. You can't discount the fact that in a self defense situation you may be injured, and therefore have your strength and mobility impaired. So, find out what does and doesn't work with your carry platform.
I agree with this analysis. I would add that it is also a reason NOT to over-spring your guns. Recoil springs should be reduced so that your weapon will function with a weak grip in your weak hand. Assuming a injury, it will be difficult to clear a malfunction every shot if you install a 2400 lbs spring strong enough to hold up the front end of a 1968 Chevy Impala.
This was the problem that brought down the 45 Super. Unless you had HUGE spring pressure, a crushing grip and a shooter that had mass in the arms as well as around the waist, the weapon was unreliable.
The problem is having a reasonable functionality at the low end while still having the gun survive 20,000 rounds of Jimmies Super Colossal Blastum ++P+ Bear Killer Deluxe loads. Different Companies have worked the low power jam/high power battering problem different ways. Detonics in their /45/451 ScoreMaster used a Commander level 18 pound spring and a massive Stainless steel slide and a massive bull barrel to control slide speed and unlocking, while with their CombatMasters they simply mandated a firm grip. The Bren Ten used a regular slide weight, exotic rifling, long freebore and tossed the browning swing link for a long duration direct link like a Browning Hi Power. Glock uses a massive slide and barrel as well as a interrupter link to delay unlocking and uses their disposable polymer frame to control battering. S&W went both ways for their 10mm/40S&W guns, the Performance center delayed unlocking by modifying the stock unlocking time via cutting the underbarrel link and the production 10mm guns used a massive slide (which was carried over into the 4006 weapons as well) to work the problem.
Truly, You should be able to limp wrist your weapon and have it function well, which means reasonable spring weights. If not, consider a revolver.
Quote from: GoldBead on November 20 2012 10:52:27 AM MSTTruly, You should be able to limp wrist your weapon and have it function well, which means reasonable spring weights. If not, consider a revolver.
Interesting. Sometime down the road, when I finally get around to toying with the new heavier Wolff Springs I have for both my G20 and G29, I'll see if I can cause issues via limp wristing then.