Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Underwood 9mm +P+ 115gr Speer Gold Dot JHP
Ballistics Information: 9mm +P+
Muzzle Velocity: 1400 fps
Muzzle Energy: 501 ft. lbs
Pictures: Before/After disassembly:
Brass Make/Headstamp: Star Line - Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.5260"/Dia. 0.3550": Speer Gold Dot 115gr. JHP actual weight 114.6 grains
C.O.A.L.: 1.0580"
Primer: Brass color
Case: Diameter 0.3865" Crimp Diameter 0.3760" Length 0.7490"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: Auto Comp 7.0 grains
(smaller flattened ball powder than LS silvery color suggest Auto Comp powder) Actual test confirmed AutoComp.
Tested January 27th 2013 Velocity 1447 fps as tested from the Ruger P-85, primer slightly flattened Case expanded 0.3930"
Replaced the with known AutoComp Underwood 115gr +P+ Gold Dot
Tested February 22nd 2014 by ICEAA Limited 4.75" 1493 FPS/ 569 LBS
(https://s20.postimg.cc/jks29iwst/IMG_0154.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/a08fmnf6l/IMG_0200.jpg)
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Powder compared to LongShot outside the pan
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Closeup view of powder from the +P+ 9mm
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As weighed
(https://s20.postimg.cc/ti332m6zh/IMG_0204-1.jpg)
Here is a new picture and side by side comparison of UW's powder and AutoComp
(https://s20.postimg.cc/eyvy17lkd/IMG_0052_zps3032c51d.jpg)
Modified to reflect actually testing.
I thought someone said it was a Winchester powder. Let me look again.
That powder is similar in appearance to WSF (looks like the same powder as used in the 124gr +P and +P+ loads), but my attempts to duplicate with WSF indicates that's not it.
I'm a little concerned with all the guessing about powders lately; some of these powders may be quite different than the guesses here. Attempting to duplicate some of these loads with the wrong powder could be dangerous.
Part of why I don't reload I guess.
This one is a mystery still ??? In the side by side comparison the size of the kernnels are different from the larger LongShot powders so it is not LongShot. Reviewing many loading tables and profiles for the given powder weights, bullet weights, I need to investigate the Winchester Auto Comp to compare that one to. I was hoping someone could post a picture if they have some.
These are some of the powders that interest me in this load data to study further...
(smaller flattened ball powder than LS silvery color ?? 7.0 grains)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/4c24vrxzh/IMG_0203.jpg)
Hodgdon's 2012 Annual shows regular pressure loads for the 115 gr JHP being shoved by:
6.0grain load of LongShot @ 1203 fps 32,300 PSI (kernnels are larger than what was found inside)
5.7grain load of WSF @ 1165 fps 32,900 PSI
5.6grain load of Auto Comp @ 1161 fps 32,500 PSI
7.0grain load of HS-6 @ 1234 fps 29,400 CUP
5.1grain load of 231 @ 1167 fps 28,100 CUP
It looks to me to not be too far off from about four of the Ramshot powders shown here -
http://www.precisionreloading.net/?page_id=2187 (http://www.precisionreloading.net/?page_id=2187)
9mm +P and +P+ Cartridges: Winchester & Remington Win
These rounds should have more pop than standard-pressure 9mm Parabellum cartridges, and in three cases we found that to be true - the winners shoot on par with .357 Magnums.
The 9mm Parabellum cartridge (commonly called 9mm Luger in the US) has traditionally been loaded more lightly on this side of the Atlantic than in Europe. The Sporting Arms and Ammunition Manufacturing Institute (SAAMI) has set a pressure ceiling for standard pressure 9mm Para at 35,000 pounds per square inch (psi). By contrast, NATO pressure ceiling is 42,000 psi. In-between U.S. standard pressure 9mm and NATO spec, we have two options. 9mm +P has a SAAMI pressure ceiling of 38,500 psi. There's no SAAMI spec for 9mm +P+; that's just a way of saying its pressures exceed +P standards.
http://www.gun-tests.com/issues/17_3/features/5231-1.html (http://www.gun-tests.com/issues/17_3/features/5231-1.html)
Edited to add what got cut off...and put the link back in...
Two Delta wrote...
I finally got out to the chrono with some 9's using Winchesters new autocomp.I was surprised to find that it could make major without signs of high pressure. Anyway here is the load I came up with.
Sti Trubore 9mm one piece comp/barrel.
Mixed once fired brass
Winchester small pistol primers
7.0gr. Winchester Autocomp
124gr. RN. Precision Delta
C.O.A.L. 1.170
1346.3 FPS. average of 5 shot group.
extreme spread 16.2 FPS.
166.904 PF.
It shot very well with little dot lift if any. I think I'll use this for a while because its available and its cheap compared to vit. It's not smoky or flashy but I don't know how dirty it is yet.
http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=83231 (http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=83231)
While I suspected Auto Comp originally without even seeing it visually...Now with these results with a 124gr bullet I would think that the 115 GD could achieve the velocity goal of 1400fps. So I still search for either some Auto Comp or a picture for comparison! Someone should have some to take a picture and post! ???
Shadow, from the data in that last post, AutoComp makes sense for Underwood's 9mm loads. The 124gr +P+ has 6.6 gr of powder and is advertised at 1300 fps, so 7.0gr in the load above at ~1340 sounds about right.
Good find.
I still need to see the Auto Comp powder to verify what I'm suspecting unless Kevin Underwood wants to share the actual powder type...
I was just reviewing the Firearms Tactical Institute data for 9mm, 9mm+p & 9mm +P+ here:
http://www.firearmstactical.com/ammo_data/9mm.htm (http://www.firearmstactical.com/ammo_data/9mm.htm)
Well here is what I've got on the Winchester AutoComp powder from a good friend...
(https://s20.postimg.cc/5sdndzdrx/Winchester_Auto_Comp-1.jpg)
Not saying it is what Underwood is using but working up and testing could show some results to compare.
Crazy looking stuff. Does it look like "the stuff"?
Have you been able to rule out Longshot 100%?
It looks like Longshot as much as anything else to me. I just looked at my Longshot powder again to compare and can't tell any difference (though I have no reference toward powder flake size in your picture).
Seems also like a 6.5-7.0 grain charge weight would be about right too. Plus I wouldn't doubt the velocities achieved if it was Longshot being used.
To be clear, I am purely speculating. Thoughts?
What does Power Pistol look like?
http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=66604
N350, HS-6 and True Blue are others mentioned for 9mm Major.
REDLINE, if you scroll back upward. I posted a picture of LongShot on paper next to the actual pull down powder in the scale pan!
The AutoComp is definitely smaller flattened ball powder structure...given the facts of some of the competition people using the AutoComp in their power division, it is one to work up loads for the 115 grain GDHP 9mm performance test.
Quote from: The_Shadow on November 25 2012 12:52:12 PM MST
REDLINE, if you scroll back upward. I posted a picture of LongShot on paper next to the actual pull down powder in the scale pan!
The AutoComp is definitely smaller flattened ball powder structure...given the facts of some of the competition people using the AutoComp in their power division, it is one to work up loads for the 115 grain GDHP 9mm performance test.
Thanks. That spells it out for me.
RamShot Silhouette is the same as Winchester Action Pistol from what others have said? So I will need to try and get a look at the two for visual references.
Modified Yondering was correct about the WAP...
Quote from: The_Shadow on December 06 2012 08:34:20 PM MST
RamShot Silhouette is the same as Winchester Auto Comp from what others have said? So I will need to try and get a look at the two for visual references.
I don't think that's correct. Did some searching this morning, I've found a bunch of references to Silhouette being the same as the discontinued WAP. Evidently Winchester replaced WAP with Autocomp, and Ramshot (Western Powders) picked up WAP.
I was about to buy some Autocomp, but think I'll try Silhouette instead, based on what I've read about the two.
Yondering, you are correct I went and reread my notes it was WAP and not Auto Comp, I changed my earlier post to reflect the correction. Thanks! 8)
Cool.
Problem is, Underwood could be using either one, or neither. I do think it's probably one of these though, and I'm guessing Silhouette/WAP for now, based on what I've been reading about 9mm major loads on the Brian Enos forum.
The post I read on Brian Enos site there was a guy that was using Winchester Auto Comp in the powder weight of the Underwood load for his round.
I still researching my stuff for the 1994 publication of Winchester for data on their then "NEW" Auto Pistol powder...which as mentioned is said to be RamShot's Silhouette that shows 115gr bullets loaded with 6.0 grains @ 1155 fps 32,100 psi.
I found some of my earlier Winchester publications and even the 1996 load data doesn't list or show the data for Winchester Action Pistol...go figure! ???
IMR4756 is another powder in the profile of charge weight to yield to ponder, I don't have any of it on hand either. ???
OK, I ordered some Silhouette today; I'll be working it up towards Underwood's loads and will report how it compares.
Quote from: Yondering on December 07 2012 05:01:48 PM MST
OK, I ordered some Silhouette today; I'll be working it up towards Underwood's loads and will report how it compares.
If you wouldn't mind posting a pic of the powder with something for size reference, that would be cool too!
Well after looking at the IMR4756 powder it is definitely not the one, that stuff looks close to Power Pistol visually. I am still leaning towords AutoComp for this 9mm loading?
Quote from: REDLINE on December 07 2012 10:19:30 PM MST
Quote from: Yondering on December 07 2012 05:01:48 PM MST
OK, I ordered some Silhouette today; I'll be working it up towards Underwood's loads and will report how it compares.
If you wouldn't mind posting a pic of the powder with something for size reference, that would be cool too!
I'll post a pic of it next to the powder from the Underwood load. Remind me if I forget.
Sounds good.
Well I here is a picture of Sillhouette powder it is still very much a candidate for this Underwood 9mm load.
Yondering's testing could reveal even more data.
Sillhouette powder...
(https://s20.postimg.cc/9d9ix4ial/Ram_Shot_SILHOUETTE_1.jpg)
Underwood's 9mm powder...
(https://s20.postimg.cc/4c24vrxzh/IMG_0203.jpg)
They seem to appear fairly similar.
Any new news?
When I looked at the pictures closely in post #28 the Sillhouette powder shows very tiny black beads od sherical powder in the mix the powder in the picture of the pull down doesn't show that at all. However Yondering was going to test the Sillhouette powder in a work up. I haven't heard back yet how this went? ???
Since the school shooting and the threats by the gun grabbers, with the current run on supplies, I haven't made the long haul to Bass Pro Shop, to get some Winchester AutoComp for my testing. Eventually I'll get my hands on some... :-[
Forgot about this thread.
Sillhouette definitely isn't what Underwood is using for this load. It looks similar enough, but velocity is down by more than 100 fps with the same powder charge and components, compared to the Underwood loads.
I'm back to thinking it's probably AutoComp.
I can still post pics if anybody cares, but it looks close enough to what's in the Underwood loads that I don't see a difference.
Thanks Yondering! First chance to find some AutoComp in stock I'll purchase and give it shot!
Shadow, if the Bass Pro nearest you is like the one here in Macon, there is nothing left. Last weekend all they had were a few shotgun primers and three or four pounds of 296.
The BPS is in Baton Rouge, 80 miles one way so I'll be calling first to see if they have the stuff I'm looking for! :-\
I'm sending you two of Kevin's very first 9mm's to see what they are. They were pretty hot back then with no +P rating so I'm curious! They are 115 and 124 with I think Zero bullets.
Today Tested Underwood's 115 gr Gold Dot +P+, January 27th 2013 Velocity 1447 fps as tested from the Ruger P-85, primer slightly flattened Case expanded 0.3930"
Updated the first post to add the test data.
Quote from: The_Shadow on January 27 2013 06:57:38 PM MSTUnderwood's 115 gr Gold Dot +P+, 1447 fps as tested from the Ruger P-85.
That's pretty smokin!
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Underwood 115gr Hornady XTP (old) (Zero Bullet)
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: ? fps
Muzzle Energy: ? ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: PMC & FC - Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.5390"/Dia. 0.3560": Hornady 115gr. XTP (Zero Bullet)
Actual weight 116.2 grains
C.O.A.L.: 1.0425" & 1.0425"
Primer: Brass color
Case: Diameter 0.3870" Crimp Diameter 0.3765" Length 0.7480"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: (flake reddish gray color) 5.0 grains Hodgdon Universal Clays
Hodgdon shows the 115 gr. Speer Gold Dot Universal load at 5.0 grains @ 1149 fps 31,200 CUP
Tested by Intercooler 02/01/2014; Underwood 115gr Zero (Old) EAA Limited 4.75" 1312, 1292. Average = 1302 FPS/ 433 LBS
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The Underwood 115gr Hornady XTP (old) while I INITIALLY thought this cartridge looked to be loaded with Rex II the pictures and data sort of fit this... (flake reddish gray color)? REX powders are from Hungary...REX 0, REX I, REX II, REX III
They we avalible for a while from Graf & Son. but even REX's website is gone...
New information and data suggest this powder to be Hodgdon's Universal Clays powder.
All info is updated to reflect this change...
It was Kevin's originals where he was using once-fired brass. I wasn't shocked it was a different powder than the new ones. Big question is what bullet is that? I thought it is an XTP but don't know for sure.
Chopinbloc has some of the old 9mm's for gel as well. It will be interesting to see how it compares to the new smoker +P+.
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Underwood 124 gr Hornady XTP (old)
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: ? fps
Muzzle Energy: ? ft. lbs
Pictures: Before/After disassembly:
Brass Make/Headstamp: WIN & PMP - Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.5640"/Dia. 0.3550": Hornady XTP 125gr. XTP
Actual weight 125.2 grains
C.O.A.L.: 1.0815" & 1.0795"
Primer: Brass color
Case: Diameter 0.3865" Crimp Diameter 0.3770" Length 0.7510"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: (reddish gray flake) 5.2 grains Hodgdon Universal Clays
Picture of powder:
(https://s20.postimg.cc/h8k2c82al/IMG_0519_zpsc6adaa19.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/cmny3voh9/IMG_0518_zpsffb57e9c.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/h8k2c8hq5/IMG_0520_zps5402a2b8.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/sxo207gel/IMG_0521_zps32c865be.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/4txabx5nh/IMG_0522_zps0f5b6bb6.jpg)
So the heavier bullet had more powder?
Yes it did and both cartridges were the same powder weighs as stated to be sure...I think that the powder is Hodgdon Universal Clays... Updated to refect newer data!
It has been a little hectic working while my neice and nephews keep asking for stuff every few minutes... :o
XTP?
I may have done these long ago but didn't add them to any sheet. Don't know if I should Chrony them or not since they are discontinued and the powder is gone.
You listed them as XTP's given the rounded shape of the nose they could be older stock or other brands like Remington's or Winchester's bulk line of bullets they are very simular. ???
Further investigation into the powder used in the older 9mm Underwood loads, it could be Hodgdon Universal Clays
New pictures and data suggest this to be the powder in use.
Maybe someone could shed some info or pictures of Hodgdons International Clays Powder... ???
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Winchester 124 gr NATO FMJ
Ballistics Information: 9mm NATO
Muzzle Velocity:1185 fps
Muzzle Energy: 387 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: WCC 12 & WCC 12 - Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.5950"/Dia. 0.3550": NATO FMJ 125gr.
Actual weight 124.2 grains exposed lead base
C.O.A.L.: 1.1545" & 1.1545"
Primer: Brass color crimped primers
Case: Diameter 0.3860" Crimp Diameter 0.3760" Length 0.7510"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: (very fine flatten ball/flake)? 6.0 grains (proprietary powder)??
Tested by Intercooler 02/01/2014; Winchester NATO 124gr FMJ Springfield XD 4" Average = 1213 FPS/ 405 LBS
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Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Priv Partizan Ammo PPU 115 gr FMJ
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity:1145 fps
Muzzle Energy: 335 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: PPU & PPU - Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.5790"/Dia. 0.3555": FMJ 115gr.
Actual weight 115.2 grains exposed lead base
C.O.A.L.: 1.1550" & 1.1490"
Primer: Brass color
Case: Diameter 0.3855" Crimp Diameter 0.3755" Length 0.7510"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: square cut flakes gray color? 5.4 grains (proprietary powder)??
Powders that come to mind are SIPE and Vectan
Intercooler tested 02/01/2014; PPU Partizan 115gr FMJ Springfield XD 4" Average = 1175 FPS/ 353 LBS
(https://s20.postimg.cc/anbxq1brx/IMG_0528_zpsa10e4696.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/6e77nvg8d/IMG_0529_zpsa746dfec.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/ig2li0x6l/IMG_0530_zpsbd144c64.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/qyc1mdj4t/IMG_0531_zps1bacb82a.jpg)
Another different one! The velocity on them was pretty decent.
Didn't I send another PPU round of some type? I wonder if it is a totally different powder? Doing a good job 8)
Maybe a (proprietary powder)? to PPU others that are square cut flakes (SIPE from Italy) and these two I have no data for (VihtaVuori N3SH) (VihtaVuori N3SL) ? Older Alcan powders were square cut also.
AL-8 large, shiny gray diamond-shaped flakes
Quote from: The_Shadow on February 02 2013 09:05:04 PM MST
Older Alcan powders were square cut also.
AL-8 large, shiny gray diamond-shaped flakes
I have not seen AL-8, but have a few pounds of AL-5 and AL-7, both are round black flakes with white identifiers, much like Blue Dot (but white instead of blue).
The cans also say "white flake identified" on them. I had assumed the other Alcan powders were like this too?
Today I updated the data on the Underwood 9mm (older) ammo to reflect new data and pictures of the Hodgdon's Universal Clays
(https://s20.postimg.cc/yjf2hk3rx/2013-02-04_160430_Universal_Clays_2.jpg)
This is what was in the 9mm rounds I pulled down...
(https://s20.postimg.cc/guiqchsfx/IMG_0517_zps1ec8dc09.jpg)
Hodgdon International Clays is slighty simular in appearance...but not suited for cartridges other than shotgun.
BTW here is a picture of regular Hodgdon Clays Powder, note the identifier flakes with the small hole in them.
(https://s20.postimg.cc/549e8k6y5/2013-02-04_154536_Clays.jpg)
All of the previous post were updated to reflect the changes. :D
Kevin wouldn't share the powder. I'm going to shoot the +P+ out of the 4" XD and then my Match when I get the conversion kit. It will be interesting to see if the .75" of extra barrel picks up the velocity. Right now I view my XD as a freak!
Got these today. Best I can tell nobody has done the 147 +P in gel so sending to Chopinbloc after I Chrony a few. Probably not worth doing a pull-down on but shame they can't do these bullets in 10mm. Look at the slit on it and how far it peels back ;D
(http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/536184_521010351270335_1718433411_n.jpg)
Intercooler,
A lot of gel and barrier testing has been done on the 147 +P and regular pressure 147 HST. Take a peek over at m4carbine.net ... lots of good info there on service cartridges. Especially look at the stuff done by DocGKR.
If you have them to compare you will see that the 147+p and 147 HST bullets are slightly different, with the 147 having slightly deeper scores that the 147 +P.
As far as doing the HST in 10mm... a few weeks ago I sent raggedyman some pulled .40 180gr HSTs to do a workup and try out in the block, so we'll see how they perform at 10mm velocities.
My guess is with those long cuts in the jacket they open up too quick at 10mm speeds.
Probably a proprietary powder anyway! ???
I think they will open up pretty quick too but hopefully they won't parachute and slow down until they hit a good penetration number. It seems driving the HP's out there now they open up very good but parachute and slow down quick. The 200 XTP is kind of opposite but never really opens good (my take).
Do you have some links to the test videos? I looked on YouTube and must have missed them.
I must have searched wrong the first time
Do any of the guys you see testing compile all their data in some spreadsheet or anything? The videos are great but it's hard to decipher all the different rounds out there.
Quote from: 4949shooter on March 29 2013 02:52:10 PM MDT
My guess is with those long cuts in the jacket they open up too quick at 10mm speeds.
They very well might do that. Interestingly the HST has a "cannelure" of sorts, which is unusual for a 9mm or 40 S&W bullet. It is not used to crimp the bullet in place, it may be there to attempt to limit expansion. I haven't seen one open up past the cannelure yet, but all of the loads I've seen personally and online have been factory.
I am very interested to see the results of these bullets at 1,100 , 1,200 & 1,300 fps 10mm loads. The factory 40 loads are specified at ~1000 FPS and perform well at those speeds. The bullets may blow apart at those velocities (like a big 135 Nosler :o ) or they might just surprise us. Some bullets hold up better than others at higher than specified velocities.
It would be nice to see them tested at those three velocities.
The 147gr HST gave 1054.4 FPS/ 363 LBS out of the XD 4" today.
Can't wait to see these results! I would love to know the mystery 9 powder.
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Speer 115gr +P+ Speer Gold Dot GDHP
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: 1300 fps
Muzzle Energy: 432 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Speer – Nickel +P+
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.5280"/Dia. 0.3550": Speer 115gr. GDHP Actual weight 115.0 grains (concave base) (black sealer)
C.O.A.L.: 1.1190"
Primer: Nickel color
Case: Diameter 0.3865" Crimp Diameter 0.3760" Length 0.7490"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: BE-86 8.0 grains *
(has soft translucent grey color off white flakes)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/cx020k7sd/IMG_0155_zps9b350336.jpg)
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(https://s20.postimg.cc/4ri02feel/IMG_0159_zps11bef5ff.jpg)
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Speer 147gr Speer Gold Dot GDHP
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: 985 fps
Muzzle Energy: 317 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Speer – Nickel
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.6685"/Dia. 0.3550": Speer 147gr. GDHP
Actual weight 148.0 grains (rounded flat base) (black sealer)
C.O.A.L.: 1.1210"
Primer: Nickel color
Case: Diameter 0.3880" Crimp Diameter 0.3760" Length 0.7500"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: BE-86 5.2 grains *
(has soft translucent grey color off white flakes)
Tested by Intercooler 02/01/2014; Speer 147gr Gold Dot JHP EAA Limited 4.75" Average = 1045 FPS/ 357 LBS
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Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Federal HST 124gr +P HST HP
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: 1200 fps
Muzzle Energy: 396 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Federal Cartridge – Nickel +P
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.5995"/Dia. 0.3545": FED 124gr. HST
HP depth 0.1250" / HP dia (tapered) / HP mouth 0.2085" Six long segments
Actual weight 124.8 grains (flat base) (Cannelure)
C.O.A.L.: 1.1030"
Primer: Nickel color
Case: Diameter 0.3850" Crimp Diameter 0.3760" Length 0.7470"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: Auto Comp 6.2 grains *
* previously listed as WSF
Tested by Intercooler 02/01/2014; Federal 124gr HST JHP +P Springfield XD 4" 1149, 1150. Average = 1149.5 FPS/ 364 LBS
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Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Federal HST 147gr HST HP
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: 1050 fps
Muzzle Energy: 396 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Federal Cartridge – Nickel
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.6830"/Dia. 0.3545": FED 147gr. HST
HP depth 0.1140" / HP dia (tapered) / HP mouth 0.2060" Six long segments
Actual weight 147.2 grains (flat base) (Cannelure) (black sealer)
C.O.A.L.: 1.1240" / 1.1260"
Primer: Nickel color
Case: Diameter 0.3845" Crimp Diameter 0.3760" Length 0.7470"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: BE-86 5.4 grains *
(has soft translucent grey color off white flakes)
Tested by Intercooler 02/01/2014; Federal 147gr HST JHP Springfield XD 4" Average = 1046 FPS/ 357 LBS
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Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: CorBon 100gr +P Pow'r Ball
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: 1475 fps
Muzzle Energy: 483 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: CorBon – Brass +P
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.5850"/Dia. 0.3545": CorBon 100gr. Pow'r Ball
Actual weight 100.0 grains (rounded flat base) (Ploymer Ball 0.2400") Crimp line 0.3540"
C.O.A.L.: 1.1295" / 1.1315"
Primer: Nickel color
Case: Diameter 0.3855" Crimp Diameter 0.3765" Length 0.7480"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: Power Pistol 7.4 grains
Tested by Intercooler 02/01/2014; Cor-Bon 100gr Pow'RBall +P JHP Springfield XD 4" 1495, 1505. Average = 1500 FPS/ 450 LBS
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Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Aquila 115gr FMJ
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: 1250 fps
Muzzle Energy: 399 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Aquila – Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.5865"/Dia. 0.3540": 115 gr. FMJ
Actual weight 115.0 grains (concaved exposed lead base) Crimp line 0.3525"
C.O.A.L.: 1.1125" / 1.1130"
Primer: Brass color
Case: Diameter 0.3870" Crimp Diameter 0.3755" Length 0.7480"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: ? AA# 2 ? 5.2 grains *
(very fine flatten ball)
Tested by Intercooler 02/01/2014; Aguila 115gr FMJ Springfield XD 4" 1116, 1133. Average = 1124.5 FPS/323 LBS
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Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Aquila 117 gr JHP
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: 1155 fps
Muzzle Energy: 340 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Aquila – Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.5180"/Dia. 0.3550": 117 gr. JHP
HP depth 0.1125" / HP cavity tapered / HP Mouth 0.2280"
Actual weight 116.8 grains (flat lead base) (black sealer) Crimp line 0.3510"
C.O.A.L.: 1.0580" / 1.0500"
Primer: Brass color
Case: Diameter 0.3870" Crimp Diameter 0.3760" Length 0.7480"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: ? AA# 2 ? 5.2 grains *
(very fine flatten ball)
Tested by Intercooler 02/01/2014; Aguila 117gr JHP Springfield XD 4" 1062, 1093. Average = 1077.5 FPS/ 302 LBS
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Lot's of Power Pistol! It's a Universal kind of thing I see.
The Powder looks like Power Pistol shape and size of the flakes, those marked but have a lighter color flake in the mix, I saw that in several commercial loadings. It maybe a color identifier or a flash deterrent...? ???
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Aquila 124 gr FMJ
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: 1110 fps
Muzzle Energy: 341 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Aquila – Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.5885"/Dia. 0.3545": 124 gr. FMJ
Actual weight 123.8 grains (flat exposed lead base) Crimp line 0.3525"
C.O.A.L.: 1.1460" / 1.1470"
Primer: Brass color
Case: Diameter 0.3870" Crimp Diameter 0.3755" Length 0.7480"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: ? AA# 2 ? 4.6 grains *
(very fine flatten ball)
Tested by Intercooler 02/01/2014; Aguila 124gr FMJ Springfield XD 4" 1053, 1035. Average = 1044 FPS/ 300 LBS
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Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Remington 124 gr +P Golden Saber BGSHP
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: 1180 fps
Muzzle Energy: 384 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Remington – Nickel
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.5765"/Dia. 0.3550": 124 gr. BGSHP
HP depth 0.1180" / HP cavity 0.1800" / HP mouth 0.2000"
Actual weight 124.2 grains (flat base) Crimp line 0.3480"
C.O.A.L.: 1.1245" / 1.1260"
Primer: Nickel color
Case: Diameter 0.3865" Crimp Diameter 0.3770" Length 0.7480"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: ? AA#5 ? 6.0 grains *
(very fine flatten ball)
Tested by Intercooler 02/01/2014; Remington Golden Saber 124gr +P JHP Springfield XD 4" 1178, 1182. Average = 1180 FPS/ 383 LBS
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Interesting the Aguila 115 and 117 were within 1.8gr's on bullet weight with the same powder charge. My Chrony results showed the 117gr 2 FPS slower... amazing!
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Winchester 115 gr SilverTip STHP
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: 1225 fps
Muzzle Energy: 383 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Winchester – Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.5460"/Dia. 0.3545": 115 gr. STHP
HP depth 0.2690" / HP cavity tapered" / HP mouth 0.2195"
Actual weight 115.6 grains (flat base) Crimp line 0.3480"
C.O.A.L.: 1.0810" / 1.0830"
Primer: Brass color
Case: Diameter 0.3860" Crimp Diameter 0.3740" Length 0.7500"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: ? non canister ? 6.2 grains *
(very fine flatten ball) ? Similar to the powder used in the Aquila and Remington but darker ?
Tested by Intercooler 02/01/2014; Winchester Silvertip 115gr JHP Springfield XD 4" Average = 1238 FPS/ 391 LBS
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That Silvertip is what created the 10mm!
I know Magtech makes a 115gr +P+ but can't find it in stock anywhere. Know of any other high end 9mm's I missed on the list?
I tested all the Double Tap, Buffalo Bore, Underwood and Cor-Bon but we didn't get pull-downs on all of them. Pretty sure you know what Kevin's powder is and that's the most ooomph.
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Winchester 115 gr +P+ Ranger T JHP
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: 1335 fps
Muzzle Energy: 455 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Winchester – Brass WCC +P+
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.5370"/Dia. 0.3550": 115 gr. JHP Ranger
HP depth 0.2600" / HP cavity tapered" / HP mouth 0.1855"
Actual weight 115.0 grains (flat base) Crimp line 0.3545"
C.O.A.L.: 1.0910" / 1.0910"
Primer: Brass color
Case: Diameter 0.3855" Crimp Diameter 0.3780" Length 0.7475"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: ? non canister ? 6.8 grains *
(very fine flatten ball) ? Similar to the powder used in the Aquila and Remington but darker ?
Tested by Intercooler 02/01/2014;Winchester Ranger T 115gr JHP +P+ Springfield XD 4" 1346, 1356. Average = 1351 FPS/ 466 LBS
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Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Winchester 127 gr +P+ Ranger T Series JHP
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: 1250 fps
Muzzle Energy: 441 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Winchester – Nickel WCC +P+
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.6110"/Dia. 0.3550": 127 gr. JHP Ranger T Series
HP depth 0.14450" / HP cavity tapered" / HP mouth 0.2125"
Actual weight 127.0 grains (flat exposed lead base) Crimp line 0.3515"
C.O.A.L.: 1.1300"
Primer: Brass color
Case: Diameter 0.3855" Crimp Diameter 0.3760" (tight) Length 0.7460"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: ? non canister ? 6.8 grains *
(very fine flatten ball) ? Similar to the powder used in the Aquila and Remington but darker ?
Tested by Intercooler 02/01/2014; Winchester Ranger T 127gr JHP +P+ Springfield XD 4" Average = 1323 FPS/ 494 LBS
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I recently found these statements...( I have no pictures of this powder to confirm or deny. )
QuoteNew WAP -- Winchester Action Pistol is one of two powders introduced in 1994. Designed to be same as factory loaded in Winchester 9mm and .40 S&W.
WAP is said to be the same as Ramshot Silhouette, however I don't thing it is as fine as the stuff Winchester is using in current production ammo. ???
QuoteIn the past it was loaded with W540/HS6 powder. Now it is loaded with a non-canister grade version of WSF powder.
The books don't publish much +P data and forget about +P+ data... :o
QuoteIMPORTANT INFORMATION ABOUT THE HEAD STAMP ON THIS BRASS!!!
Due to limited supplies of 9mm +P+ brass in the industry, Buffalo Bore has been forced to use 9mm +P brass when loading their 9mm +P+ ammunition. Ammunition will be head-stamped +P or +P+ but is in fact +P+ loads.
Also was reading this post on another forum...Beware if you have a 9mm gun not up to +P+ loadings! :o
QuotePlus Charles E. Petty
Basicly..... Is it worth it to beat the snot out of your firearm for a little extra?
The current SAAMI (Sporting Arms and Ammunition Manufacturing Institute) standard for 9mm Luger ammunition specifies a maximum product average chamber pressure of 37,400 p.s.i., but, the +P+ loads exceed this by a substantial margin. A limit of 42,000 p.s.i. has been proposed for this ammunition. For comparison, proof load pressure (nominal average) is set at 49,800 p.s.i. Now the situation is even further confused, for Remington has begun to market +P 9mm Luger ammunition with a proposed pressure limit of 38,500 p.s.i. To clarify, +P ammunition is available for commercial sale while +P+ loads are not.
All of this raises the question of what the civilian shooter can use in his gun. Even though the ammunition manufacturers take pains to insure that special law enforcement loads do not circulate in civilian channels, it is unrealistic to expect that some will not "leak" out. The same is certainly true for M882 service ammunition, and it is important that the civilian shooter who encounters any of these loads be able to recognize them and understand that this ammunition is different. M882 NATO ammunition as loaded by Olin Corp. (Winchester) and formerly loaded by Federal is currently specified to drive a 124 grain FMJ bullet at 375 meters per second (1230 f.p.s.), which puts it in nearly the same league as the various +P+ loads.
Winchester requires purchasers of +P+ ammunition to sign a release which states in part: "The 9mm 115 grain +P+ cartridges covered in this purchase order are specially loaded to achieve higher velocity. Therefore, the pressure level is higher than standard 9mm Luger cartridges. Individual cartridges may achieve pressure which may approach or exceed the proof load pressure a particular pistol may have been subjected to in factory proofing.
This cartridge is not recommended for use in any aluminum frame and/or cylinder pistols and may cause damage to modern steel pistols because of the higher pressures.
"THESE CARTRIDGES SHOULD BE USED IN MODERN PISTOLS ONLY. CHECK THE CONDITION OF THE PISTOL OFTEN. IF DOUBT EXISTS AS TO THE USE OF THESE CARTRIDGES IN YOUR PISTOL, CONSULT THE PISTOL MANUFACTURER." The demand for +P+ loadings has caused some consternation among firearm and ammunition manufacturers and there has been some finger pointing both ways. So, in an effort to clarify the situation, all of the major manufacturers and importers of the popular "wondernines" were queried about their position on the use of NATO and +P+ ammunition in their products. This is something of a hot potato as far as the firearms manufacturers are concerned, and most were understandably cautious or did not reply at all.
A Smith & Wesson spokesman indicated that S&W was not in favor of using +P+ ammunition, although it was studying the subject. This presents an interesting paradox, for the Illinois State Police, one of the first agencies to ask for +P+ loadings, is a major user of S&W
While increasing bullet velocity increases energy, it is questionable whether this is really meaningful in practical terms. A 200 f.p.s. increase in velocity (about what you get going from standard to +P+ 9mm ammunition) does not guarantee significantly better results in actual shooting situations. When you consider that this gain, roughly 15%, is accomplished at an increase in pressure that could be as much as 33%, it makes me wonder if it is all worthwhile.
This thread is excellent. I joined the forum just to let you know how useful it has been. Lots of very accurate data has been put together.
That said, I can offer you some help as you basically completed my puzzle (reverse engineering M882 9mm NATO ammo).
9mm NATO ammo in current production uses WPR 289 as made by Saint-Marks Powder / General Dynamics. It is the non-cannister grade of Silhouette/WAP. Winchester dropped WAP and Ramshot picked it up, as you already knew. If you'd like confirmation on this I can confirm WPR 289 is WAP from New Zealand laws: http://www.legislation.govt.nz/regulation/public/1994/0005/1.0/whole.htm I can confirm WPR 289 is M882 Milspec from here and other sources: http://www.dtic.mil/ndia/2010armament/WednesdayCumberlandSteveFaintich.pdf Silhouette uses an effective flash suppressant and gives good performance for the pressure which is why it is so popular in commercial loadings.
A lot of the powders you have labelled as Power Pistol are I suspect cannister grade BE-86 or BullsEye 86. BE-84 is the non-cannister grade PowerPistol and was the old M882 powder before being replaced by WPR289. BE-84 isn't used in commercial loadings for defensive ammunition anymore due to its lack of flash suppressant. BE-86 is flash-retardant (potassium nitrate, potassium sulfate) treated BE-84. It would also make sense that it is loaded in Speer factory ammunition since ATK owns Alliant/Hercules.
Also on post 69 the muzzle velocity is incorrectly listed as 1200fps. It is correctly listed in the picture at 1050.
-Morgan
CaesarI, thank you for your participation (always welcomed), comments and observations, I will say I don't know everything. I am here to learn as well. I do try to research many aspects to bring about facts. Thanks for the links you posted as I am reviewing and researching these further.
Alliant shows BE-86 on their site like it will be released as a canister product. They have never answered any of my written questions. No canisters for purchase. No load data has been shown either. Still looking though!
I have been seeing powders (looking like Power Pistol) with performance and charge weights very similar, however in some of the commercial loadings there are some slightly larger whitish/gray translucent flakes in the mix. Researching to see if these flakes are added as a flash suppressing additive or identifier? ???
These powder companies can mix/blend or make new powders as they see needs, usually as a non-canister grade.
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Magtech 115gr FMJ 9A
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: 1135 fps
Muzzle Energy: 330 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: CBC – Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.5730"/Dia. 0.3545": 115 gr. FMJ
Actual weight 115.0 grains (exposed lead base) Crimp line 0.3525"
C.O.A.L.: 1.1545"
Primer: Brass color (symbol A on primer)
Case: Diameter 0.3870" Crimp Diameter 0.3760" Length 0.7465"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: ? Unknown ? 5.4 grains *
(whitish color thick flake)
Tested by Intercooler 02/01/2014; Magtech 115gr FMJ 9A Springfield XD 4" Average = 1165 FPS/ 347 LBS
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Magtech states;
QuoteOne of our major advantages is that our factory is fully vertically integrated with its own powder plant, primer plant, and the brass and bullet processing is completed in the ammunition plant to ensure the world's finest ammunition. While other ammunition companies rely on outside vendors to supply various components, Magtech houses all of these processes inside our ISO 9001 Quality System Certified Facility.
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Grizzly 90gr JHP +P
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: 1625 fps
Muzzle Energy: 527 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Star Line – Brass +P
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.4475"/Dia. 0.3545": Hornady 90 gr. JHP
Actual weight 90.0 grains (flat copper base) Crimp line 0.3545"
HP depth 0.1500" / HP dia. 0.1025" / HP mouth 0.1620"
C.O.A.L.: 1.0635" / 1.0570"
Primer: Nickel color
Case: Diameter 0.3855" Crimp Diameter 0.3765" Length 0.7465"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: ? WAP / Silhouette ? 7.6 grains *
(+P data is not regularly published)
Tested by Intercooler 02/01/2014; Grizzly 90gr +P JHP Springfield XD 4" 1527, 1546. Average = 1536.5 FPS/ 472 LBS
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Neat looking powder. So that is the same as Crossfire?
Quote from: Intercooler on October 28 2013 06:25:29 AM MDT
Neat looking powder. So that is the same as Crossfire?
The Magtech powder is definitely different...I don't have a clue :'( I want to learn more about this powder ;D...Just when you think you may have seen it all! ???
The Crossfire & Grizzly appear to be the same, ? Accurate Arms #5 / WAP / Silhouette ? It closely matches my picture files.
The reason for the question marks is so many of these flatten ball powders share visual appearances but burn characteristics can be very different. When studying the amount of powder vs. yield and comparing it to load data listed in the manuals the amount of powder vs. yield and pressure values, you can eliminate a lot. So you are left with what fits the profile. The only way to be 100% sure is to do a workup to verify results. ;)
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Fiocchi 115gr FMJ 9AP
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: 1250 fps
Muzzle Energy: 400 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: GFL(Giulio Fiocchi, Lecco, Italy) – Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.5925"/Dia. 0.3540": 115 gr. FMJ
Actual weight 114.6 grains (concaved exposed lead base) Crimp line 0.3525"
C.O.A.L.: 1.1575" / 1.1575"
Primer: Brass color
Case: Diameter 0.3870" Crimp Diameter 0.3775" Length 0.7480"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: ? ? 5.2 grains *
(very fine flatten ball)
Tested by Intercooler 02/01/2014; Fiocchi 115gr FMJ 9AP Springfield XD 4" Average = 1130 FPS/ 326 LBS
Tested by Intercooler 02/01/2014; Fiocchi 115gr FMJ 9AP EAA Limited 4.75" 1162, 1139. Average = 1150.5 FPS/ 338 LBS
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Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Copper Only Projectile COP 115gr SCHP
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: 1180 fps
Muzzle Energy: 355 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Star Line – Brass +P
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.6790"/Dia. 0.3545": COP 115 gr. SCHP
HP depth 0.2520" / HP dia 0.1750"
Actual weight 115.0 grains (flat base) Crimp line 0.3535"
C.O.A.L.: 1.1215" / 1.1250"
Primer: Brass color
Case: Diameter 0.3860" Crimp Diameter 0.3750" Length 0.7490"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: ? AutoComp ? 4.8 grains *
(very fine flatten ball)
Tested by Intercooler 02/01/2014; COP 115gr All Copper +P EAA Limited 4.75" 1181, 1204. Average = 1192.5 FPS/ 363 LBS
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I updated the Magtech 9mm data, as I reviewed the Magtech web site I read that they actually make there own smokeless powder propellants in house... 8)
QuoteOne of our major advantages is that our factory is fully vertically integrated with its own powder plant, primer plant, and the brass and bullet processing is completed in the ammunition plant to ensure the world's finest ammunition. While other ammunition companies rely on outside vendors to supply various components, Magtech houses all of these processes inside our ISO 9001 Quality System Certified Facility.
I updated the Underwood (Clays) with 4.75" data from yesterday. Also plugged in the powder data where possible.
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: GECO 115gr FMJ
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: 1280 fps
Muzzle Energy: 421 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: GECO – Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.5790"/Dia. 0.3540": 115 gr. FMJ
Actual weight 114.6 grains (concaved exposed lead base) Crimp line 0.3525" black sealer
C.O.A.L.: 1.1560"
Primer: Brass color
Case: Diameter 0.3856" Crimp Diameter 0.3765" Length 0.7480"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: ? ? 5.6 grains * (very fine flatten ball)
Geco is made by the European conglomerate RUAG, which also makes RWS.
Tested by Intercooler 02/01/2014; Geco 115gr FMJ Springfield XD 4" Average = 1153 FPS/ 340 LBS
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Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Hot Shot 115gr FMJ
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: 1140 fps
Muzzle Energy: 331 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Hot Shot – Steel
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.6060"/Dia. 0.3545": 115 gr. FMJ
Actual weight 113.4 grains (concaved exposed lead base) Crimp line 0.3525"
C.O.A.L.: 1.1585"
Primer: Brass color (red sealer)(berdan)
Case: Diameter 0.3885" Crimp Diameter 0.3760" Length 0.7490"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: ? VihtaVuori N320 ? 4.6 grains *
(short cut stick powder) HOTSHOT made in Bosnia-Herzegovina
Tested by Intercooler 02/01/2014; Hot Shot 115gr FMJ Springfield XD 4" Average = 1092 FPS/ 305 FPS
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That plus sign on the Geco bottom is interesting! Wonder if that helps make it so accurate?
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Fiocchi 115gr FMJ 9AP (2nd Pull)
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: 1250 fps
Muzzle Energy: 400 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: GFL(Giulio Fiocchi, Lecco, Italy) – Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.5920"/Dia. 0.3540": 115 gr. FMJ
Actual weight 114.6 grains (concaved exposed lead base) Crimp line 0.3525"
C.O.A.L.: 1.1560"
Primer: Brass color
Case: Diameter 0.3856" Crimp Diameter 0.3765" Length 0.7480"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: ? ? 5.0 grains *
(very fine flatten ball)(found a few red specks maybe from primer sealant)
Tested by Intercooler 02/01/2014; Fiocchi 115gr FMJ 9AP Springfield XD 4" Average = 1130 FPS/ 326 LBS
Tested by Intercooler 02/01/2014; Fiocchi 115gr FMJ 9AP EAA Limited 4.75" 1162, 1139. Average = 1150.5 FPS/ 338 LBS
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That's just the way the bullet forming plug is shaped, but it is shaped like a X for X-ring! LOL ;)
Geco has turned into my favorite target round in 9mm.
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Underwood 124 gr Nosler +P+ JHP
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: 1300 fps
Muzzle Energy: 465 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Speer - Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.5445"/Dia. 0.3545": Nosler 124gr. JHP
HP Depth 0.1875" / HP dia tapered 0.850 / mouth 0.1915"
Actual weight 124.2 grains
C.O.A.L.: 1.0840"
Primer: Brass color
Case: Diameter 0.3875" Crimp Diameter 0.3770" Length 0.7455"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: ? ? 6.4 grains
(smaller flattened ball powder than LS silvery color Wincheste Auto Comp powder
Tested November 30th, 2013 by IC
EAA Elite Limited 4.75" 1366, 1385, 1369, 1397, 1370, 1381, 1380. Average = 1387 FPS/ 530 LBS
Powder was replaced with known AutoComp charge Underwood 124gr +P+ Nosler
Tested February 22nd 2014 by IC, Eaa Limited 4.75" 1397 FPS/ 537 LBS
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Modified to add test data
This is the same powder that was also in the Underwood Speer 115 GD +P+.
The Underwood 124 Nosler +P+ JHP round would make 161 power factor based on the formula bullet wt. in grains X velocity divided by 1000.
Reading here shows some guys loading the Winchester AutoComp powder and some are getting to higher power factors with 7.2 & 7.4 grains; http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=109026 (http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=109026)
So COP and Underwood are using the same powder?
It sure looks like that they are the same, but I would have to test to be absolutely positive.
BTW, I put the Underwood 115 +P+ and the 124 +P+ powders right next to each other....
(https://s20.postimg.cc/h58meximl/IMG_0491_zps5fe1a012.jpg)
You will have two more here soon. I ordered Kevin's new 115gr Nosler +P+ and the 147gr GD +P+.
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Underwood 115gr Nosler JHP +P+
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: 1500 fps
Muzzle Energy: 574 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Speer - Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.5155"/Dia. 0.3545": Nosler 115gr. JHP
HP depth 0.1965" / HP dia 0.1020" / HP mouth 0.2000"
Actual weight 115.0 grains
C.O.A.L.: 1.0535"
Primer: Brass color
Case: Diameter 0.3875" Crimp Diameter 0.3770" light / Length 0.7475"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: ? AutoComp ? 6.6 grains
Tested by Intercooler 02/01/2014; Underwood 115gr Nosler JHP +P+ Springfield XD 4" Average = 1422 FPS/ 512 LBS
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(https://s20.postimg.cc/ika73lm9p/IMG_0538_zps39b9840d.jpg)
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The Underwood GD 115gr had 7.0gr's. This has been scaled back?
The Nosler 115 grain bullet was 0.3545" they seem to run smaller in diameter less drag and maybe less accurate.
Other factors can be seated depth of the bullet to powder charge.
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Underwood 9mm 147gr Speer Gold Dot JHP +P+
Ballistics Information: 9mm +P+
Muzzle Velocity: 1250 fps
Muzzle Energy: 509 ft. lbs
Pictures: Before/After disassembly:
Brass Make/Headstamp: Speer - Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.6590"/Dia. 0.3555": Speer Gold Dot 147gr. JHP
HP depth 0.2075" / HP dia. 0.1260" / mouth 0.2135"
Actual weight 147.0 grains
C.O.A.L.: 1.1370"
Primer: Brass color
Case: Diameter 0.3875" Crimp Diameter 0.3770" Length 0.7480"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: ? AutoComp ? 5.6 grains
Tested by Intercooler 02/01/2014; Underwood 147gr Gold Dot JHP +P+ Springfield XD 4" Average = 1208 FPS/ 476 LBS
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Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Dynamic Research Technologies DRT 9mm 85gr Terminal Shock frangible
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: 1450 fps
Muzzle Energy: 396 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: DRT - Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.5290"/Dia. 0.3545": DRT TS 85gr.
HP depth 0.1370" / HP dia. 0.1265" / HP mouth 0.2150"
Actual weight 84.8 grains
C.O.A.L.: 1.0330"
Primer: Brass color
Case: Diameter 0.3870" Crimp Diameter 0.3765" Length 0.7490"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: ? HP-38 / W231? 5.0 grains
Tested by Intercooler 02/01/2014; DRT Technologies 85gr Frangible +P Springfield XD 4" Average = 1425 FPS/ 383 LBS
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(https://s20.postimg.cc/gaqo662l9/IMG_0545_zps3f63be76.jpg)
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Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: GECO 115 gr JHP
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: 1200 fps
Muzzle Energy: 340 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: GECO – Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.5250"/Dia. 0.3540": 115 gr. JHP
HP depth 0.1750" / HP cavity 0.0960" / HP Mouth 0.2125"
Actual weight 115.2 grains (flat base) (black sealer)
C.O.A.L.: 1.0570"
Primer: Brass color
Case: Diameter 0.3890" Crimp Diameter 0.3765" Length 0.7480"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: ? ? 5.2 grains *
(very fine flatten ball)
Tested by Intercooler 02/01/2014; Geco 115gr JHP Springfield XD 4" Average = 1131 FPS/ 327 LBS
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Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Doublet Tap 165 gr Equalizer 115 gr. JHP / 50 gr Lead FN +P
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: 995 fps
Muzzle Energy: 365 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Double Tap DT – Nickel
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.5400"/Dia. 0.3550": 115 gr. JHP
Lead FN 50gr. Looks like a short wad cutter with a gas check Dia 0.3535"
115gr. Nosler JHP Actual weight 116.4 grains / Lead FN Actual weight 48.6 gr
HP depth 0.1945" / HP cavity 0.1340" / HP mouth 0.1935"
Actual weight 165.0 grains (flat base) Crimp line 0.3545"
C.O.A.L.: 1.1145"
Primer: Nickel color
Case: Diameter 0.3835" Crimp Diameter 0.3785" (Light) Length 0.7485"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: LongShot 4.6 grains
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They are interesting, but I would like to see a gel test.
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: CCI Blazer Herter's 115gr Total Nylon Jacket TNJ
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: 1140 fps
Muzzle Energy: 331 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: CCI – Aluminum NR
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.5790"/Dia. 0.3540": 115 gr. TNJ
Actual weight 114.8 grains (Blue Total Nylon Jacket concave lead core) Crimp line 0.3525"
C.O.A.L.: 1.1550"
Primer: Nickel color
Case: Diameter 0.3865" Crimp Diameter 0.3760" Length 0.7480"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: ? ? 6.0 grains *
(fine flatten ball powder)
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The TNJ isn't much below a +P. I would buy them again.
I have looked over a bunch of my data and picture files and I have nothing using that much powder with under 1200 fps. It is probably a proprietary powder. Still looking for possibilities! Closest powder visually was the stuff Fiocchi was using in their 9mm.
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Remington 115 gr +P JHP High Terminal Performance (RTP9MM6)
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: 1450 fps
Muzzle Energy: 536 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Remington – Brass +P
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.5330"/Dia. 0.3550": 115 gr. JHP
HP depth 0.1970" / HP cavity 0.1340" / HP mouth 0.1935"
Actual weight 115.0 grains (flat base) Crimp line 0.3550"
C.O.A.L.: 1.0820"
Primer: Nickel color (red sealant)
Case: Diameter 0.3855" Crimp Diameter 0.3770" Length 0.7480"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: Bullseye 5.6 grains
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That's a new one. I don't know how you can tell because they are starting to look all the same to me :o
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Hornady Critical Duty 135gr Flex Lock +P
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: 1010 fps
Muzzle Energy: 306 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Hornady – Nickel +P
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.7125"/Dia. 0.3545": 135 gr. Flex Tip
Actual weight 135.2 grains (rounded heel) Crimp line 0.3390"
HP mouth 0.2000" filled with red polymer tip
C.O.A.L.: 1.1410"
Primer: Brass color (red sealer)
Case: Diameter 0.3860" Crimp Diameter 0.3750" Length 0.7495"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: ? HS6 ? 5.6 grains *
(very fine flatten ball)
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May be HS-6 given the weight and length of the bullet and velocity... :-\
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Black Hills 115gr Hornady XTP +P
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: 1300 fps
Muzzle Energy: 431 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Black Hills Ammo BHA – Brass +P
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.5410"/Dia. 0.3550": Hornady 115gr. XTP
HP Depth 0.1630" / HP dia 0.0930" tapered / Mouth 0.2000"
Actual weight 114.8 grains / crimp squeeze 0.3530"
C.O.A.L.: 1.0835"
Primer: Brass color
Case: Diameter 0.3865" Crimp Diameter 0.3750" Length 0.7485"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: Power Pistol 6.8 grains
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Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Wolf Military Classic 115gr FMJ
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: 1150 fps
Muzzle Energy: 338 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Tula Cartridge Works TUW – Steel (polymer coated)
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.6110"/Dia. 0.3545": 115 gr. FMJ Bi-Metal (steel & copper)
Actual weight 115.0 grains (concaved exposed lead base) Crimp line 0.3535"
C.O.A.L.: 1.1050"
Primer: Brass color (Berdan)
Case: Diameter 0.3885" Crimp Diameter 0.3765" Length 0.7480"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: ? 231 /HP38 ? 4.8 grains *
(medium irregular flatten ball)
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(https://s20.postimg.cc/69v0ooc31/IMG_0629_zps7406846b.jpg)
I thought it would be hard to ID something like that.
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Ted Nugent 115gr UHP American Defender
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: 1223 fps
Muzzle Energy: 381 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: NUGENT – Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.2560"/Dia. 0.3555":Speer 115 gr. Gold Dot HP Depth 0.1610" / HD dia (tapered) / HP mouth 0.2125"
Actual weight 115.0 grains (concave base) Crimp line 0.3535"
C.O.A.L.: 1.1250"
Primer: Nickel color
Case: Diameter 0.3875" Crimp Diameter 0.3790" Length 0.7480"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: ? Tight Group ? 4.8 grains *
(medium irregular flatten ball)
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(https://s20.postimg.cc/yueniik71/IMG_0631_zps372f6cb4.jpg)
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Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Priv Partizan Ammo PPU 158 gr FMJ
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity:900 fps
Muzzle Energy: 284 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: PPU - Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.7380"/Dia. 0.3550": FMJ 158gr.
Actual weight 156.8 grains (exposed lead base) crimp line 0.3530"
C.O.A.L.: 1.1515"
Primer: Brass color
Case: Diameter 0.3875" Crimp Diameter 0.3755" Length 0.7510"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: square cut flakes gray color? 4.2 grains (proprietary powder)?
(SIPE) (VihtaVuori N3SH) (VihtaVuori N3SL) ?
Tested by Intercooler 02/01/2014; PPU 158gr FMJ Springfield XD 4" 851, 876, 844, 863, 844. Average = 855.6 FPS/ 257 LBS
Tested by Intercooler 02/01/2014; PPU 158gr FMJ EAA Limited 4.75" 863, 875, 850, 866, 861. Average = 863 FPS/ 261 LBS
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(https://s20.postimg.cc/5uk928425/IMG_0637_zps6233cd18.jpg)
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Tulammo Brass Maxx 115gr FMJ brass
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: 1150 fps
Muzzle Energy: 338 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Tulammo – Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.6110"/Dia. 0.3550": 115 gr. FMJ
Actual weight 115.0 grains (concaved exposed lead base) Crimp line 0.3535"
C.O.A.L.: 1.1550"
Primer: Brass color
Case: Diameter 0.3870" Crimp Diameter 0.3770" Length 0.7480"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: ? Silhouette ? 5.0 grains *
(medium irregular flatten ball)
Tested by Intercooler 02/01/2014; TulAmmo 115gr FMJ Springfield XD 4" 1196, 1185, 1193, 1176. Average = 1187.5 FPS/ 360 LBS
Tested by Intercooler 02/01/2014; TulAmmo 115gr FMJ Limited 4.75" 1232, 1269, 1280. Average = 1260.33 FPS/ 406 LBS
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Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Fiocchi Extrema 124gr Hornady XTP
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: 1100 fps
Muzzle Energy: 333 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Star Line – Nickel
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.5735"/Dia. 0.3550": Hornady 115gr. XTP
HP depth 0.1375" / HP dia (tapered) / HP mouth 0.2000" six segments
Actual weight 124.0 grains (flat base) crimp line 0.3545"
C.O.A.L.: 1.0880"
Primer: Nickel color
Case: Diameter 0.3865" Crimp Diameter 0.3780" Length 0.7495"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: Power Pistol 5.0 grains
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Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Tulammo 115gr FMJ
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: 1150 fps
Muzzle Energy: 338 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Tulammo – Steel
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.6060"/Dia. 0.3550": 115 gr. FMJ
Actual weight 115.0 grains (concaved exposed lead base) Crimp line 0.3545"
C.O.A.L.: 1.1565"
Primer: Brass color
Case: Diameter 0.3895" Crimp Diameter 0.3765" Length 0.7490"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: ? Vihtavuori 3N37 ? 5.8 grains *
*Possible powders N350, 3N37 (irregular short cut rod)
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(https://s20.postimg.cc/wse64e499/IMG_0032_zps858996de.jpg)
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: ZVS 124gr FMJ
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: 1080 fps
Muzzle Energy: 328 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: ZVS – Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.5970"/Dia. 0.3550": 124 gr. FMJ
Actual weight 124.4 grains (concaved exposed lead base) Crimp line 0.3510"
C.O.A.L.: 1.1590"
Primer: Brass color
Case: Diameter 0.3890" Crimp Diameter 0.3750" Length 0.7490"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: ? ? 5.4 grains *
* (very fine irregular flatten ball with tear drop/rod)(possibly LOVEX D032_04)
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edited to show possible LOVEX D032_04 powder
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Samson Israel Military Industries IMI 115gr FMJ
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: 1280 fps
Muzzle Energy: 421 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: IMI – Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.5765"/Dia. 0.3550": 115 gr. FMJ
Actual weight 115.2 grains (concaved exposed lead base) Crimp line 0.3540"
C.O.A.L.: 1.1545"
Primer: Brass color
Case: Diameter 0.3885" Crimp Diameter 0.3760" Length 0.7510"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: ? ? 6.4 grains *
* (very fine irregular flatten ball)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/g5wlv1vt9/IMG_0037_zpsa3560717.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/lu2wly7vh/IMG_0038_zps00d9626a.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/92oqfg5t9/IMG_0039_zpsfd9f9738.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/eqv16chvh/IMG_0040_zpsbed79332.jpg)
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Winchester 115gr FMJ
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: 1190 fps
Muzzle Energy: 361 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Winchester WIN – Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.5955"/Dia. 0.3540": 115 gr. FMJ
Actual weight 115.0 grains (concaved exposed lead base) Crimp line 0.3530"
C.O.A.L.: 1.1605"
Primer: Brass color
Case: Diameter 0.3860" Crimp Diameter 0.3760" Length 0.7475"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: ? WSF ? 5.6 grains *
* (fine irregular flatten ball)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/q5riaxjx9/IMG_0041_zps322a0a76.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/urnmjad65/IMG_0042_zps4a8dc8f1.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/rxkh5uqfh/IMG_0043_zpsab49039c.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/5ye2inp0t/IMG_0044_zps248a3f09.jpg)
It makes sense the IMI rounds are like +P with that powder charge.
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Speer 124gr Speer Gold Dot GDHP
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: 1150 fps
Muzzle Energy: 364 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Speer – Nickel
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.5700"/Dia. 0.3555": Speer 124gr. GDHP
HP depth 0.1225 / cavity tapered / HP mouth 0.2215"
Actual weight 126.2 grains (concave base) (black sealer)
C.O.A.L.: 1.1245"
Primer: Nickel color
Case: Diameter 0.3880" Crimp Diameter 0.3760" Length 0.7475"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: ? AA#5 ? 6.2 grains *
* (fine irregular flatten ball)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/acr58crkt/IMG_0045_zpsd125f2b4.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/5e3mtu37h/IMG_0046_zps24a9b462.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/6t57ikrfx/IMG_0047_zpsf26b8e84.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/4okuhi58t/IMG_0048_zps68acace1.jpg)
I did an updated picture to compare the powder charge found in Underwood's 115 GD and Nosler 124 +P+ where I suspected it was Winchester Auto Comp. I have studied this since IC sent the cartridges for pull-downs on November 21, 2012. It has been tough to find this powder (thanks "O"Communist!), for me to buy out right. But with some people I never met and asking for a favor, looking for a small sample, generous people from the Bayou Shooter's Forum http://www.bayoushooter.com/forums/index.php (http://www.bayoushooter.com/forums/index.php) (mostly local to me) supplied me with my requested sample.
Here is the updated picture comparison of Winchester Auto Comp next to the UW load that I pulled as supplied by IC for "pull-down".
(https://s20.postimg.cc/cnp7cbzpp/IMG_0052_zps3032c51d.jpg)
To make for a fair test, the 2 UW rounds I had pulled and hung on to, I replaced the powder with an exact measure of the known Auto Comp sample and put them back together. ONLY thing changed was the powder. I also made an extra round using a ZERO 121 grain bullet loaded over a 6.4 grain sample which should compare to the 124 Nosler +P+ directly.
IC will get to test these on his end when he receives them.
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Underwood 9mm +P+ 115gr Speer Gold Dot JHP
Ballistics Information: 9mm +P+
Muzzle Velocity: 1400 fps
Muzzle Energy: 501 ft. lbs
Auto Comp 7.0 grains
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Underwood 124 gr Nosler +P+ JHP
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: 1300 fps
Muzzle Energy: 465 ft. lbs
Auto Comp 6.4 grains
Handloaded 121 gr ZERO +P+ JHP
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: 1300 fps
Muzzle Energy: 453 ft. lbs
Auto Comp 6.4 grains
Looking forward to his report to compare notes! ;D
Should be interesting!
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Buffalo Bore 124 gr +P+ Nosler JHP
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: 1330 fps
Muzzle Energy: 486 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Star Line – Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.5465"/Dia. 0.3550": Nosler 124 gr. JHP
HP depth 0.2000" / HP cavity 0.0980" / HP mouth 0.2000"
Actual weight 124.0 grains (flat base) Crimp line 0.3530"
C.O.A.L.: 1.0560"
Primer: Brass color
Case: Diameter 0.3865" Crimp Diameter 0.3755" Length 0.7500"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: ? Tight Group? 6.2 grains *
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(https://s20.postimg.cc/slxx2n9f1/IMG_0056_zpsd67395b9.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/w5jusgjul/IMG_0057_zps3e8afd9d.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/o01sub3bh/IMG_0058_zpsd3ba815f.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/aj4ubg0pp/IMG_0059_zpsfab4e0e3.jpg)
Auto Comp? Uh oh... Someone else may use that!
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: ReLoad 125 gr +P Montana Gold BJHP
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: 1200 fps
Muzzle Energy: 399 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Remington – Nickel (used)
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.5760"/Dia. 0.3550": Montana Gold 124 gr. BJHP
HP depth 0.0520" / HP cavity 0.0700" / HP mouth 0.1800"
Actual weight 124.2 grains (flat base) Crimp line 0.3545"
C.O.A.L.: 1.1440"
Primer: Nickel color
Case: Diameter 0.3875" Crimp Diameter 0.3795" Length 0.7515"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: VihtaVuori 3N38 7.0 grains *
*Lighter powder charge weight than what was said to be...(7.3grains)
Intercooler tested;
125gr Montana Gold +P 1200 FPS 7.3gr VihtaVuori 3N38
Springfield XD 4" 1210, 1175, 1197, 1164, 1174, 1189, 1223. Average = 1190.29 FPS/ 393 LBS
EAA Limited 4.75" 1258, 1282, 1210, 1238, 1238. Average = 1245.2 FPS/ 430 LBS
(https://s20.postimg.cc/rwf4qdw1p/IMG_0060_zps5fe19118.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/a6dg5cq6l/IMG_0061_zps0dec4c6e.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/avw8hpyfx/IMG_0065_zps2cb7f8ff.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/kgfv4lvhp/IMG_0063_zps84831401.jpg)
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: ReLoad 115 gr +P+ Nosler JHP
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: 1300 fps
Muzzle Energy: 431 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Speer – Nickel (used)
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.5150"/Dia. 0.3540": Nosler 115 JHP
HP depth 0.1970" / HP cavity (tapered) 0.0985" / HP mouth 0.2000"
Actual weight 115.0 grains (flat base) Crimp line 0.3545"
C.O.A.L.: 1.1125"
Primer: Nickel color
Case: Diameter 0.3875" Crimp Diameter 0.3775" Length 0.7565"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: VihtaVuori 3N37 7.0 grains *
Powder charger 0.2 grains over stated weight of 6.8 grains
Intercoolers test;
115gr Nosler +P+ 1250 FPS 6.8gr VihtaVuori 3N37
Springfield XD 4" 1292, 1366, 1358, 1318, 1319, 1316, 1305, 1321. Average = 1324.38 FPS/ 448 LBS
EAA Limited 4.75" 1373, 1348, 1369, 1345, 1352, 1320, 1379, 1379. Average = 1353.13 FPS/ 468 LBS
(https://s20.postimg.cc/hz43xfjbx/IMG_0066_zpsbff2a590.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/v39oa4j3h/IMG_0067_zpsceaaa52a.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/lvhftfjr1/IMG_0068_zpsd38a2bd9.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/dpzdva37v/IMG_0069_zps928d72fe.jpg)
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: ReLoad 115 gr +P Remington JHP
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: 1250 fps
Muzzle Energy: 367 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: FC – Nickel (used)
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.5320"/Dia. 0.3550": Remington 115 JHP
HP depth 0.1990" / HP cavity (has a step) 0.1115" / HP mouth 0.2015"
Actual weight 114.8 grains (flat base) Crimp line 0.3545"
C.O.A.L.: 1.1240"
Primer: Nickel color
Case: Diameter 0.3865" Crimp Diameter 0.3785" Length 0.7520"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: VihtaVuori 3N37 6.4 grains
Intercoolers test;
115 Remington +P 1200 FPS 6.3gr VihtaVuori 3N37
Springfield XD 4" 1190, 1237, 1160, 1234, 1262, 1229, 1254. Average = 1223.71 FPS/ 382 LBS
EAA Limited 4.75" 1226, 1241, 1249, 1259, 1169, 1275, 1230. Average = 1235.57 FPS/ 390 LBS
(https://s20.postimg.cc/57pxqzu59/IMG_0070_zpsfbdb78e2.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/5x8q3d2el/IMG_0071_zps086acb73.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/e2qs1iyd9/IMG_0072_zpse6ac3ab2.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/z0wxz0qbx/IMG_0073_zps58de5747.jpg)
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Winchester PDX1 124 gr +P JHP
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: 1200 fps
Muzzle Energy: 396 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Winchester WIN – Nickel
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.6055"/Dia. 0.3550":Winchester 124 JHP
HP depth 0.0980" / HP cavity 0.1020" / HP mouth 0.2250"
Actual weight 124.4 grains (exposed lead flat base) Crimp line 0.3500"
C.O.A.L.: 1.1145"
Primer: Brass color
Case: Diameter 0.3855" Crimp Diameter 0.3735" Length 0.7520"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: ? ? 6.2 grains *
(very fine flattened ball)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/g8l2vhrdp/IMG_0074_zpsf589694d.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/jffmf4jjh/IMG_0075_zps7df73387.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/rxp2jgxrx/IMG_0076_zpsd6e892a0.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/5lr9q36dp/IMG_0077_zps08694402.jpg)
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Federal 115gr FMJ (WM5199)
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: 1180 fps
Muzzle Energy: 356 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Federal FC – Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.5610"/Dia. 0.3550": 115 gr. FMJ
Actual weight 115.0 grains (?plated?) (flat base round edges) Crimp line 0.3535"
C.O.A.L.: 1.1510"
Primer: Nickel color
Case: Diameter 0.3885" Crimp Diameter 0.3755" Length 0.7480"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: Bullseye 4.6 grains
(https://s20.postimg.cc/ts6iexuql/IMG_0078_zpsaabd9c11.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/4ywyear5p/IMG_0079_zps0d2d8a0a.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/ew7z7d6h9/IMG_0080_zps1cad5ec1.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/5ofqqo74t/IMG_0081_zpsaf829ca5.jpg)
I Chronographed the two put back together Underwood rounds today.
Underwood 115gr +P+ Gold Dot EAA Limited 4.75" 1493 FPS/ 569 LBS
Underwood 124gr +P+ Nosler Eaa Limited 4.75" 1397 FPS/ 537 LBS
and also Shadow's 121gr Zero +P+ Auto Comp 6.4gr's (Underwood 124gr load)... wait for it.....
EAA Limited 4.75" 1376 FPS/ 521 LBS
They were smokin' along! :o I think I saw 1447 fps in the first test I did with Kevin's load from the Ruger P-85 back then.
What was the previous data from the one's previously tested?
Did you get the brass for those? If yes how did they look? ???
I did, however they are now all mixed together. I don't recall anything crazy and it looks like the mystery is solved.
I want to say that the number were very close to what you got in you original test shots! Here they are...
Great results as usual!
August 23, 2013
Underwood 115gr +P+ Speer Gold Dot Limited 4.75": 1469, 1473, 1473. Average = 1471.66 FPS/ 553 LBS
Todays Test Underwood 115gr +P+ Gold Dot EAA Limited 4.75" 1493 FPS/ 569 LBS
Underwood 115gr Gold Dot +P+ Hunter 6": 1540, 1565, 1532, 1519, 1527, 1530. Average = 1535.5 FPS/ 602 LBS.
About a 65 FPS increase over the 4.75" Limited barrel. I guess if you have a 4.5" -4.75" barrel you are getting about all you can out of 9mm rounds.
November 30, 2013
Underwood 124gr +P+ Nosler EAA Elite Limited 4.75" 1366, 1385, 1369, 1397, 1370, 1381, 1380. Average = 1387 FPS/ 530 LBS
Todays Test Underwood 124gr +P+ Nosler Eaa Limited 4.75" 1397 FPS/ 537 LBS
Underwood 147gr +P+ Gold Dot EAA (Limited 4.75") 1265, 1271, 1244, 1268, 1261. Average = 1261.8 FPS/ 520 LBS
That was a great experiment, for never having seen AutoComp powder, studying and profiling it's performance, then obtaining pictures to compare, then obtaining an actual sample to verify! Its why I like doing this stuff! ;D
The 121 grain Zero bullet is a true 0.3560" diameter, that would account for some extra drag, but should be very accurate!
Now I need to get that G-23 to my brother and turn that money into a 9mm pistol for me! BTW, I was looking for a 9mm before the G-23 was dropped in my lap! 8)
I want a CZ. In particular a Shadow and since you borrow some of that... I vote for you getting a CZ Shadow 9mm.
Yes I'll have to consider that one, hoping for a good spring and summer for grass cutting to make a few dineros! Either that are hit the lottery! :))
If you do really good go for a Hi-Power maybe. My Limited 9mm shoots the cartridge like a dream!
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: ProGrade 147gr Hornady XTP +P
Ballistics Information: 9mm +P
Muzzle Velocity: N/A fps (tested 1130 fps)
Muzzle Energy: N/A ft. lbs (tested 415 ft/lbs)
Brass Make/Headstamp: ProGrade – Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.6580"/Dia. 0.3545": Hornady 147gr. XTP HP Depth 0.1540" / HP dia 0.1350" tapered / Mouth 0.2080"
Actual weight 147.0 grains / crimp squeeze 0.3545" / (has tapered heel)
C.O.A.L.: 1.1030"
Primer: Brass color
Case: Diameter 0.3865" Crimp Diameter 0.3765" Length 0.7500"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: ? WSF ? 4.6 grains
(https://s20.postimg.cc/upcxoayod/IMG_0109_zps04ecaf37.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/c9sgqws9p/IMG_0110_zpsf081a377.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/56klbaujx/IMG_0111_zps0a32d785.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/kfaip2vy5/IMG_0112_zps918bcc3d.jpg)
WSF? Like in my 10mm reloads? Those 147's are moving out pretty good!
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Bitterroot Valley Ammunition & Components BVAC 124 gr FMJ
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: N/A fps
Muzzle Energy: N/A ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Federal FC – Brass (used)
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.5940"/Dia. 0.3550": 124 gr. FMJ (plated)
Actual weight 123.6 grains (flat base) Crimp line 0.3545"
C.O.A.L.: 1.1525"
Primer: Brass color
Case: Diameter 0.3865" Crimp Diameter 0.3765" (light) Length 0.7490"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: ? WSF ? 4.0 grains *
(https://s20.postimg.cc/9i970293x/IMG_0113_zpsb3940062.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/6bengfwdp/IMG_0114_zps0f3f117f.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/fj6vx5b5p/IMG_0115_zps5220b5b0.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/6o61mmu31/IMG_0116_zps6c996c55.jpg)
BVAC loads both rounds. Makes sense seeing the same powder in both.
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Northern Hills Precision 115 gr FMJ
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: N/A fps
Muzzle Energy: N/A ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Winchester WIN – Brass (used)
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.5575"/Dia. 0.3550": 115 gr. FMJ (plated)
Actual weight 114.8 grains (flat base) Crimp line 0.3535"
C.O.A.L.: 1.1375"
Primer: Brass color
Case: Diameter 0.3875" Crimp Diameter 0.3780" (light) Length 0.7465"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: Alliant Bullseye 4.6 grains *
Tested by Intercooler
Springfield XD 4" 1149, 1171, 1185, 1194, 1151. Average = 1170 FPS/ 350 LBS
EAA Limited 4.75" 1190, 1211, 1210, 1226. Average = 1209.25 FPS/ 373 LBS
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(https://s20.postimg.cc/7qg85fkor/IMG_0121_zps488e5850.jpg)
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Magtech 92.6 gr SCHP
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: 1330 fps
Muzzle Energy: 364 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: CBC – Nickel
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.5630"/Dia. 0.3535": Magtech 92.6 gr. SCHP
HP depth 0.3100" / HP dia 0.0940" / Mouth 0.1200"
Actual weight 92.6 grains (dimpled flat base) Crimp line 0.3520"
C.O.A.L.: 1.1100"
Primer: Brass color
Case: Diameter 0.3860" Crimp Diameter 0.3770" Length 0.7490"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: ? Power Pistol ? 6.8 grains *
*(reason for ? marks is Magtech does make their own powders)(powder had metal shavings in it) (similar to Power Pistol)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/lcljbbmfx/IMG_0122_zps9f7b7b9f.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/cuc37032l/IMG_0123_zpsbb9d981a.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/ux55y8tsd/IMG_0124_zpsfdbdbe68.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/wc6qmzi0t/IMG_0126_zpsb6ff91b1.jpg)
Magtech powder on the left and Power Pistol on the right...
(https://s20.postimg.cc/gvt6cqve5/IMG_0127_zps2be48e33.jpg)
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Cor-Bon 115 gr +P JHP
Ballistics Information: 9mm +P
Muzzle Velocity: 1350 fps
Muzzle Energy: 466 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Cor-Bon C-B – Brass ( has knurl line)
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.4950"/Dia. 0.3545": ? 115 JHP
HP depth 0.1520" / HP cavity (tapered) 0.1500" / HP mouth 0.2500"
Actual weight 114.8 grains (flat base) Crimp line 0.3530"
C.O.A.L.: 1.0400"
Primer: Brass color
Case: Diameter 0.3865" Crimp Diameter 0.3760" Length 0.7490"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: Tight Group 5.0 grains
(https://s20.postimg.cc/ckwlhqdrh/IMG_0128_zpsa155a0ec.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/nkhstcbwd/IMG_0129_zpscb3c64b2.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/6y08jub4d/IMG_0130_zps37e9bf47.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/ahm69nljx/IMG_0131_zps9d704ea6.jpg)
Your pull-downs are beating the gel and velocity test nows ;D
That's the advertised velocity and energy info...As I looked at the data for the Cor-Bon I think it's more like a 1225 fps loading.
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: MKE ZQ1 124gr FMJ NATO (Turkey)
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: 1200 fps
Muzzle Energy: 396 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: MKE – Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.6110"/Dia. 0.3545": 124 gr. FMJ
Actual weight 123.0 grains (concaved exposed lead base)(black sealer) Crimp line 0.3515"
C.O.A.L.: 1.1630"
Primer: Brass color (green sealer crimped)
Case: Diameter 0.3885" Crimp Diameter 0.3755" Length 0.7490"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: ? ? 6.2 grains *
* (very fine irregular ball with tear drop/rod)(powder maybe LOVEX D032-04)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/b8ewfivnx/IMG_0132_zpsa9c80891.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/m803r4tst/IMG_0133_zps78e85d22.jpg)
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(https://s20.postimg.cc/h9clcnfq5/IMG_0135_zps00e3f84c.jpg)
Modified to add the possible powder as LOVEX D032-04
Wild! :)
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Atlanta Arms 115 gr JHP
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: 1100 fps
Muzzle Energy: 308 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Speer – Brass (used)
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.5410"/Dia. 0.3550": 115 gr. JHP
HP depth 0.1480" / HP 0.0875" cavity tapered / HP Mouth 0.1840"
Actual weight 114.8 grains (flat base) Crimp line 0.3530"
C.O.A.L.: 1.0745"
Primer: Brass color
Case: Diameter 0.3850" Crimp Diameter 0.3755" Length 0.7520"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: ? AA# 2 ? 5.2 grains *
(very fine flatten ball)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/5n24mp8sd/IMG_0249_zps697bc85c.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/os5dwgv65/IMG_0250_zps9bffac90.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/p4ws2nl5p/IMG_0251_zps2e0adbc7.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/ypgepji7h/IMG_0252_zps97b13ba8.jpg)
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Atlanta Arms 115 gr TCJ
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: 1100 fps
Muzzle Energy: 308 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Speer – Brass (used)
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.5410"/Dia. 0.3550": 115 gr. TCJ
Actual weight 114.8 grains (flat base) Crimp line 0.3530"
C.O.A.L.: 1.1365"
Primer: Nickel color
Case: Diameter 0.3835" Crimp Diameter 0.3775" Length 0.7520"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: AutoComp 5.2 grains
(https://s20.postimg.cc/3jwasib59/IMG_0253_zps92d83f00.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/fyj2suad9/IMG_0254_zps514c7bdb.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/bcmykhwjx/IMG_0255_zps626425cd.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/vk0ect1r1/IMG_0256_zps7bd63156.jpg)
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Magtech Guardian Gold 124 gr JHP
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: 1096 fps
Muzzle Energy: 330 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: CBC – Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.5815"/Dia. 0.3540": 124 gr. JHP
HP depth 0.2640" / HP dia 0.1180" (tapered) / Mouth 0.2140"
Actual weight 124.2 grains (dimpled flat base) Crimp line 0.3535"
C.O.A.L.: 1.1075"
Primer: Brass color
Case: Diameter 0.3860" Crimp Diameter 0.3770" Length 0.7475"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: ? Power Pistol ? 5.2 grains *
*(reason for ? marks is Magtech does make their own powders) (similar to Power Pistol)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/qlcvyddel/IMG_0257_zps8ba99447.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/l9xzdnz1p/IMG_0258_zpsc087fb0c.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/hqc1nv41p/IMG_0259_zps5e63d7b9.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/pj2pfuhqj/IMG_0260_zps6e51b4d0.jpg)
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Sig Sauer 124gr Speer V-Crown JHP
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: 1189 fps
Muzzle Energy: 389 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: SIG – Nickel
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.5355"/Dia. 0.3545": Sig 124gr. V-Crown JHP
HP depth 0.1255" / *tiny secondary 0.1930" / HP 0.1580" tapered cavity / HP mouth 0.2570"
Actual weight 124.2 grains (flat base) (has shallow cannelure 0.3515") crimp line 0.3490"
C.O.A.L.: 1.0990"
Primer: Brass color
Case: Diameter 0.3860" Crimp Diameter 0.3735" Length 0.7520"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: BE-86 6.0 grains **
** (similar to Power Pistol fine flat flake with lighter tan colored slightly larger flakes identifiers)
* (tiny secondary hole deeper than the main cavity 0.1930")
Sig-Sauer 124gr V-Crown
Springfield XD 4" 1174, 1224, 1202, 1178. Average = 1194.5 FPS/ 393 LBS
EAA Elite Limited 4.75" 1223, 1250, 1245, 1267. Average = 1246.5 FPS/ 428 LBS
(https://s20.postimg.cc/ts7fi70h9/IMG_0282_zpsf9687959.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/sd5uth73x/IMG_0283_zps1d624c5c.jpg)
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(https://s20.postimg.cc/l9xzdvh3x/IMG_0285_zpse8beec62.jpg)
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Federal 9BPLE 115gr +P+ Hi-Shok JHP bullets
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: 1300 fps
Muzzle Energy: 431 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Federal Cartridge – Nickel +P+
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.5250"/Dia. 0.3545": FED 115gr. JHP
HP depth 0.2500" / HP dia 0.1010" (tapered) / HP mouth 0.2150" Six long segments
Actual weight 115.0 grains (flat base) (crimp line 0.3535") (small amount black sealant)
C.O.A.L.: 1.0955"
Primer: Nickel color
Case: Diameter 0.3850" Crimp Diameter 0.3760" Length 0.7485"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: ? Silhouette ? 7.0 grains *
(fine flattened ball)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/kmz2o4ufx/54a2f872d4cd6b8b5ea998f3d7f1d894.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/rox0a5qa5/IMG_0287_zps42fe250b.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/faa89u6hp/IMG_0288_zps36c442e5.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/3l68lvn8r/IMG_0289_zps5532e601.jpg)
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Brown Bear 115gr FMJ
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: 1180 fps
Muzzle Energy: 355 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Barnaul Machine Plant (cartouche) – Coated Steel (https://s20.postimg.org/djr78pjx9/image.jpg)
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.6025"/Dia. 0.3545": 115 gr. FMJ
Actual weight 116.0 grains (concaved exposed lead base) Crimp line 0.3540"
C.O.A.L.: 1.1185"
Primer: Brass color (Berdan)
Case: Diameter 0.3880" Crimp Diameter 0.3780" Length 0.7450"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: ? HP-38/231 ? 5.0 grains *
(very fine flatten ball/flake)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/6gjbt3m7h/IMG_0290_zps2042b1fe.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/y3w1789z1/IMG_0291_zps4808f199.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/8mdmn1zsd/IMG_0292_zpsce03809f.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/4q0ar2mij/IMG_0293_zps840c5a92.jpg)
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Cor-Bon 125 gr +P JHP
Ballistics Information: 9mm +P
Muzzle Velocity: 1250 fps
Muzzle Energy: 433 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Cor-Bon C-B – Brass +P ( has knurl line)
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.5360"/Dia. 0.3550": ? 125 JHP
HP depth 0.1130" / HP cavity (tapered) 0.1500" / HP mouth 0.2325"
Actual weight 124.8 grains (flat base) Crimp line 0.3505"
C.O.A.L.: 1.0425"
Primer: Nickel color
Case: Diameter 0.3865" Crimp Diameter 0.3750" Length 0.7490"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: ? AutoComp ? 5.4 grains
(https://s20.postimg.cc/ppkzwhdml/125826.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/pa9q3ip59/IMG_0294_zpse5236c9a.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/huaghqgvh/IMG_0295_zps1caa9289.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/huaghqwb1/IMG_0296_zps3ace0984.jpg)
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Black Hills 124gr Hornady XTP +P
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: 1250 fps
Muzzle Energy: 430 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Black Hills Ammo BHA – Brass +P
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.5760"/Dia. 0.3545": Hornady 124gr. XTP HP Depth 0.1340" / HP dia 0.1050" tapered / Mouth 0.2100"
Actual weight 124.0 grains / crimp squeeze 0.3485"
C.O.A.L.: 1.0780"
Primer: Brass color
Case: Diameter 0.3865" Crimp Diameter 0.3715" Length 0.7485"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: BE-86 6.4 grains *
*(powder has light colored translucent flakes mixed in)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/kfg150lm5/IMG_0297_zps0537ba41.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/mwrscaky5/IMG_0298_zps504ddaee.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/iavo3y74t/IMG_0299_zps5f6d729b.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/44fx8q3zf/IMG_0300_zps8939e7af.jpg)
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Silver Bear 145gr JHP Bi-Metal (provided by IC)
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: 1180 fps
Muzzle Energy: 448 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Barnaul Machine Plant (cartouche) – Tin Coated Steel
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.6640"/Dia. 0.3550": 145 gr. JHP
HP Dia. 0.0670" / HP depth 0.0820" / Mouth 0.1800"
Actual weight 144.2 grains (flat beveled base) Crimp line none
C.O.A.L.: 1.0890"
Primer: Brass color (Berdan)
Case: Diameter 0.3890" Crimp Diameter 0.3760" Length 0.7515"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: ? HP-38/231 ? 4.4 grains *
(very fine flatten ball/flake)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/cgg9nro71/IMG_0390_zps94e0cec3.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/vyax3q0kd/IMG_0391_zpsbf2ceb7a.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/62r6kj6gd/IMG_0392_zps3614b082.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/vljixkkvh/IMG_0393_zps2683ed45.jpg)
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: CCI Blazer Brass 115gr FMJ
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: 1145 fps
Muzzle Energy: 334 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Blazer – Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.5625"/Dia. 0.3550": 115 gr. FMJ
Actual weight 115.0 grains) Crimp line none
C.O.A.L.: 1.1505"
Primer: Nickel color
Case: Diameter 0.3880" Crimp Diameter 0.3760" Length 0.7480"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: Power Pistol 4.4 grains
(https://s20.postimg.cc/t5hpk2ibx/IMG_0394_zpsd127db49.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/ssqbdwfhp/IMG_0395_zpsc70f6223.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/gquxjrdz1/IMG_0396_zps11a44886.jpg)
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: PMC Starfire 124gr JHP
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: 1090 fps
Muzzle Energy: 303 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: PMC – Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.5540"/Dia. 0.3550": Starfire 124gr. JHP
HP depth 0.2500" / HP 5pt Star tapered cavity / HP mouth 0.2160"
Actual weight 123.8 grains (flat base) (black sealant) crimp line 0.3490"
C.O.A.L.: 1.0990"
Primer: Brass color
Case: Diameter 0.3860" Crimp Diameter 0.3775" Length 0.7500"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: ? Ramshot Silhouette ? 5.6 grains *
*(very fine flatten ball silvery color) (Ramshot Silhouette fits the profile)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/ucvnbzqd9/IMG_0397_zpsc8971cfd.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/xjq6vmij1/IMG_0398_zpsf921f30a.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/wu7ej9pp9/IMG_0399_zps92b7ba2b.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/p1gqraz5p/IMG_0400_zps679d9c45.jpg)
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Armscor 124 gr FMJ
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: 1067 fps
Muzzle Energy: 313 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Armscor A USA – Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.5885"/Dia. 0.3555": 124 gr. FMJ
Actual weight 123.4 grains (flat exposed lead base) Crimp line 0.3555"
C.O.A.L.: 1.1485"
Primer: Brass color
Case: Diameter 0.3850" Crimp Diameter 0.3780" Length 0.7500"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: ? HP-38 or 231 ? 4.0 grains *
(flatten ball)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/5xnfb5wnx/IMG_0560_zpsbb41f199.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/kgukcjuxp/IMG_0561_zpsea05628c.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/ajjjjipwt/IMG_0562_zpscf6514ee.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/efwvfhg17/IMG_0563_zpse98e2d47.jpg)
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Perfecta 115gr Bronze FMJ
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: 1140 fps
Muzzle Energy: 331 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Perfecta – Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.6000"/Dia. 0.3545": 115 gr. FMJ
Actual weight 114.2 grains (concaved exposed lead base) Crimp line 0.3475"
C.O.A.L.: 1.1575"
Primer: Brass color
Case: Diameter 0.3870" Crimp Diameter 0.3780" Length 0.7500"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: ? Ramshot Silhouette ? 5.2 grains *
(fine flattened ball) (may have different coatings) Made in Italy, and distributed by "Tulammo USA"
(https://s20.postimg.cc/3ud03gua5/IMG_0564_zps4083e136.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/3ud03h1zx/IMG_0565_zps1d40caaf.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/k5d3zstx9/IMG_0566_zps1fd9eed1.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/qvtl98wil/IMG_0568_zpsb9fa70b4.jpg)
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Silver Bear 115gr FMJ Bi-Metal
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: 1180 fps
Muzzle Energy: 448 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Barnaul Machine Plant (cartouche) – Tin Coated Steel
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.6050"/Dia. 0.3545": 115 gr. FMJ
Actual weight 113.0 grains (slight concaved base)(lead core) Crimp line none
C.O.A.L.: 1.1165"
Primer: Brass color (Berdan)
Case: Diameter 0.3890" Crimp Diameter 0.3790" Length 0.7495"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: ? HP-38/231 ? 5.2 grains *
(fine flatten ball/flake)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/61lu59ep9/IMG_0569_zps2aeb8890.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/49svadarx/IMG_0570_zps9ddc4d79.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/tftth86x9/IMG_0571_zpsc76ef8e5.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/ewmoftt7x/IMG_0572_zpsd9d13186.jpg)
Those Fiocchi rounds had the same 5.2gr's of powder.
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Estate Cartridge 115gr FMJ
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: 1145 fps
Muzzle Energy: 323 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Federal .FC. – Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.5630"/Dia. 0.3545": 115 gr. FMJ
Actual weight 115.0 grains (?plated?) (flat base round edges) Crimp line 0.3535"
C.O.A.L.: 1.1505"
Primer: Nickel color
Case: Diameter 0.3880" Crimp Diameter 0.3760" (light crimp) Length 0.7465"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: TiteGroup 4.4 grains
Estate Cartridge, owned by ATK, recently introduced its very own center fire line of ammunition.
(https://s20.postimg.cc/g2qoee4l9/IMG_0573_zps3fe0e81f.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/yv2jhz8p9/IMG_0574_zps8660b80e.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/9ca74z4kt/IMG_0575_zpscb3285bc.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/jz40aekfv/IMG_0576_zps8420083e.jpg)
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Herters 115gr FMJ (brass case)
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: 1173 fps
Muzzle Energy: 351 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Herters HRTRS – Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.5630"/Dia. 0.3550": 115 gr. FMJ
Actual weight 115.4 grains (exposed lead flat base) Crimp line 0.3525"
C.O.A.L.: 1.1535"
Primer: Brass color
Case: Diameter 0.3890" Crimp Diameter 0.3770" (medium crimp) Length 0.7490"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: ? Ramshot Silhouette ? 5.6 grains
loaded by Sellier & Bellot
(https://s20.postimg.cc/h8uod0su5/IMG_0577_zps2d5ec9c9.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/inw91r1n1/IMG_0578_zps211f3b1e.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/6m0v7m7u5/IMG_0579_zps843eeaa7.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/m7i6rkri5/IMG_0580_zps6fb775a2.jpg)
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: UltraMax 115gr FMJ (ReManufactured)
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: 1150 fps
Muzzle Energy: 337 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Winchester WIN – Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.5535"/Dia. 0.3550": 115 gr. FMJ
Actual weight 114.8 grains (plated) (flat base) Crimp line 0.3535"
C.O.A.L.: 1.1165"
Primer: Brass color
Case: Diameter 0.3865" Crimp Diameter 0.3770" (medium crimp) Length 0.7460"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: ? Tite Group ? 5.0 grains
(https://s20.postimg.cc/pi6jrahdp/IMG_0581_zps5dec3a73.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/puxxxhf31/IMG_0582_zps1b955af4.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/6puonq84t/IMG_0583_zps092e7f26.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/k6rn6lq65/IMG_0584_zps5a3231c9.jpg)
5.0 or 5.6 for this one?
it was 5.0, getting tired I suppose, I waiting on the Liberty to upload, I'll post it and I'm going to call it a night! :-[
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Liberty Civil Defense 50 gr Fragmenting HP +P
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: 2000 fps
Muzzle Energy: 444 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: LIBERTY – Nickle +P
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.5010"/Dia. 0.3550": 50 gr. FHP
Actual weight 50.4 grains (Lathe Turned)(lead free)(flat base) Crimp line 0.3480" (turned 0.1200" up from base)
HP Depth 0.4100" / HP Cavity 0.1700" tapered / HP mouth 0.2225"
C.O.A.L.: 1.1315"
Primer: Nickle color
Case: Diameter 0.3870" Crimp Diameter 0.3775" (medium crimp) Length 0.7460"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: ? Tite Group ? 7.6 grains *
(Specialty round that is extra light so it hard to profile)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/uuzzjohyl/IMG_0586_zps39a624e4.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/wmsyel919/IMG_0587_zps61346625.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/nrs442ryl/IMG_0588_zps8e8b9836.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/it4lpjvvh/IMG_0589_zps7e414953.jpg)
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: MagSafe 45 gr SWAT fragmenting JHP
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: 2300 fps
Muzzle Energy: 528 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Remington – Brass +P
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.5165"/Dia. 0.3550": MagSafe 45 gr. Frag JHP
HP depth 0.0950" / HP dia 0.1860" / Mouth 0.2325"
Actual weight 45.0 grains (flat base) (epoxy filled) Crimp line 0.3535"
C.O.A.L.: 1.0875"
Primer: Small Pistol Nickle color
Case: Diameter 0.3860" Crimp Diameter 0.3770" Length 0.7490"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: ? AA#7 ? 11.6 grains (compressed)*
*
9MM SWAT SWAT LOAD NEW 45 2300 FPS, 528 FT LBS OF ENERGY $22.95 BEST HOME DEFENSE LOAD DO NOT USE IN SPRINGFIELD XD PISTOLS
(https://s20.postimg.cc/c5802eerx/IMG_0029_zps04bcef74.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/mfaf1ncd9/IMG_0030_zpsf674ae02.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/chze8lk71/IMG_0031_zpsf1dde387.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/s3gpsk3v1/IMG_0032_zps5267b9b7.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/5204mtbx9/IMG_0033_zps26d94d25.jpg)
Where did the Springfield XD warning come from? I did ;D I wonder if that is a mistake and they actually meant XDm?
It was in the ads on MagSafe site under pricing and specs...http://magsafeonline.com/prices_specs.php (http://magsafeonline.com/prices_specs.php)
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Freedom Munitions 115gr Hornady XTP
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: 1200 fps
Muzzle Energy: 367 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: IMT – Brass (interior is stepped)
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.5410"/Dia. 0.3545": Hornady 115 gr. XTP
HP depth 0.1200" / HP dia 0.0980" (tapered) / Mouth 0.1725"
Actual weight 114.8 grains (flat base) Crimp line 0.3545"
C.O.A.L.: 1.0780"
Primer: Small Pistol Nickle color
Case: Diameter 0.3860" Crimp Diameter 0.3785" Length 0.7495"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: Auto Comp 6.4 grains
(https://s20.postimg.cc/yubfr0rnx/IMG_0034_zps205501e5.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/fcgsb32fx/IMG_0036_zpsce3d50a7.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/u8fbiolkd/IMG_0037_zps575701e4.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/64ojueat9/IMG_0038_zps0f812121.jpg)
Kevin's 9mm powder?
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Freedom Munitions 124gr FMJ plated (supplied by Intercooler)
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: 1050 fps
Muzzle Energy: 281 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: IMT – Brass (interior is stepped)
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.5895"/Dia. 0.3540": 124 gr. FMJ
Actual weight 124.4 grains (flat base) Crimp line 0.3535"
C.O.A.L.: 1.1530"
Primer: Small Pistol Brass color
Case: Diameter 0.3875" Crimp Diameter 0.3770" Length 0.7455"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: Winchester WSF 4.6 grains *
(silvery flatten ball)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/5gfpb1jot/IMG_0039_zps1855fdb0.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/3omqg581p/IMG_0040_zpsf18462c8.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/n6hdw3cp9/IMG_0041_zpsa43e7680.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/g39ighezf/IMG_0042_zps33376a49.jpg)
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Federal Ammo (Cal9115) 115gr FMJ RN plated (supplied by Inercooler)
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: 1180 fps
Muzzle Energy: 355 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: FEDERAL FC – Aluminum (NR-not reloadable)
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.5600"/Dia. 0.3545": 115 gr. FMJ
Actual weight 114.4 grains (flat base) Crimp line 0.3535"
C.O.A.L.: 1.1440"
Primer: Small Pistol Nickle color (standard flash hole)
Case: Diameter 0.3880" Crimp Diameter 0.3770" Length 0.7500"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: Hodgdon Titegroup 4.6 grains *
(flatten ball)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/rfm3yel59/IMG_0043_zpsf89b2012.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/yitze0yal/IMG_0044_zps93eec973.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/kp5mozdf1/IMG_0045_zpsb12d2dc0.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/oliykz64b/IMG_0046_zps7a840d3b.jpg)
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: ZQI 123gr FMJ NATO (new box) (supplied by Intercooler)
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: 1200 fps
Muzzle Energy: 396 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: ZQI – Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.6180"/Dia. 0.3545": 123 gr. FMJ
Actual weight 123.4 grains (concaved exposed lead base)(black sealer) Crimp line 0.3535"
C.O.A.L.: 1.1540"
Primer: Brass color (green sealer crimped)
Case: Diameter 0.3885" Crimp Diameter 0.3760" Length 0.7475"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: ? VV N340 ? 5.4 grains *
* (very fine golden rod)
ZQI 123gr NATO New Box
Springfield XD 4" 1214, 1207, 1212, 1206, 1221. Average = 1212 FPS/ 401 LBS
EAA Elite Limited 4.75" 1255, 1255, 1253, 1249, 1248. Average = 1252 FPS/ 428 LBS
(https://s20.postimg.cc/tpa88z6vx/IMG_0047_zpse260bc60.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/mm2ctd965/IMG_0048_zps51a125d7.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/corc0b9a5/IMG_0049_zps99858f11.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/m9ayn76bx/IMG_0050_zpsa67a7a8f.jpg)
Did you catch the ZQI switched to a different powder and less? I have to look back at both results and see what I got!
Also,
I think the Freedom 115gr powder isn't the same as Kevin's. It's not much less powder and not near the velocity.
The ZQI results were about identical with the two different powders and charge weights.
Yes it is easy to use various powers to achieve similar velocities...
Did you notice that the Freedom Munitions brass had a step inside, it has been talked about by many others on various forums...thicker base but it also takes up powder space and if not compensated for it can raise the chamber pressures. :o
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Federal HST +P 147gr HST HP
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: 1100 fps
Muzzle Energy: 394 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Federal Cartridge – Nickel +P
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.6865"/Dia. 0.3545": FED 147gr. HST
HP depth 0.1160" / HP dia (tapered) / HP mouth 0.2060" Six long segments
Actual weight 147.8 grains (flat base) (Cannelure) (black sealer)
C.O.A.L.: 1.1260"
Primer: Small Pistol Nickel color
Case: Diameter 0.3850" Crimp Diameter 0.3775" Length 0.7470"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: ? AA#5 ? 5.4 grains *
*(fine flatten Ball)( data not shown for +P)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/exakexmrh/IMG_0115_zps8ea0fddf.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/9949o25kd/IMG_0116_zps82482a7e.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/629q4gvf1/IMG_0117_zps512b3d0a.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/wakutvi3h/IMG_0118_zpsbb6e3202.jpg)
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Federal 135gr Hydra-Shok JHP (deep post)
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: 1050 fps
Muzzle Energy: 330 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Federal Cartridge – Nickel
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.6150"/Dia. 0.3545": FED 135gr. Hydra-Shok JHP
HP depth 0.2825" past the center post / HP dia 0.1125" (tapered) / HP mouth 0.2015" six short segments
Actual weight 135.6 grains (flat base) (crimp line 0.3540") (small amount black sealant)
C.O.A.L.: 1.0955"
Primer: Small Pistol Nickel color
Case: Diameter 0.3850" Crimp Diameter 0.3760" Length 0.7495"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: ? Auto Comp? 5.2 grains *
(fine flattened ball)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/nuvacnplp/IMG_0119_zpsf50434e3.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/mftpnxw8d/IMG_0120_zps3bd43f02.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/en31vyxz1/IMG_0121_zpsc355ad95.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/9ppha9o3x/IMG_0122_zps91f800bd.jpg)
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Winchester 147 gr Ranger T Series JHP
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: 1000 fps
Muzzle Energy: 326 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Winchester WIN – Nickel
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.6110"/Dia. 0.3550": 147 gr. JHP Ranger T Series
HP depth 0.2370" / HP cavity 0.1400" tapered" / HP mouth 0.1850"
Actual weight 146.6 grains (flat exposed lead base) Crimp line 0.3515"
C.O.A.L.: 1.1180"
Primer: Small Pistol Brass color
Case: Diameter 0.3855" Crimp Diameter 0.3740" (heavy) Length 0.7460"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: ? non canister ? 4.8 grains *
(very fine flatten ball) (like AA#5)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/53td1z00t/IMG_0123_zps5ad10e64.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/i7yxenzsd/IMG_0124_zps39e05f04.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/g3ekdl5vh/IMG_0125_zps92c60a39.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/5gkr865fx/IMG_0126_zps4f363d28.jpg)
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Remington 124 gr FMJ
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: 1050 fps
Muzzle Energy: 303 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Remington RP – Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.5960"/Dia. 0.3550": 124 gr. FMJ
Actual weight 124.2 grains (exposed lead flat base) Crimp line 0.3545"
C.O.A.L.: 1.1040"
Primer: Small Pistol Nickel color
Case: Diameter 0.3855" Crimp Diameter 0.3770" medium Length 0.7480"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: Power Pistol 4.8 grains
(https://s20.postimg.cc/s6jw1aeel/IMG_0130_zps43ad80bd.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/n7wdms5gt/IMG_0127_zpse58527a8.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/9e80xqsb1/IMG_0128_zpsde2cf74e.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/3q1q6vb3x/IMG_0129_zpscb68492b.jpg)
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Sellier & Bellot (Police) 115gr FMJ
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: 1200 fps
Muzzle Energy: 367 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Sellier & Bellot S&B – Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.5730"/Dia. 0.3555": 115 gr. FMJ
Actual weight 115.2 grains (concaved exposed lead base)(black sealant) Crimp line 0.3545"
C.O.A.L.: 1.1600"
Primer: Small Pistol Nickel color (full green sealant)
Case: Diameter 0.3890" Crimp Diameter 0.3775" Length 0.7510"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: ? WSF ? 5.6 grains *
* (fine flatten ball)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/kt4i2lpal/IMG_0131_zpsc33d81e5.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/9tjar06l9/IMG_0132_zps1cb6743e.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/yzk8xuv0t/IMG_0133_zps49b6533d.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/m862rcsyj/IMG_0134_zps1bd6082b.jpg)
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: ZVS 115 gr FMJ
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: 1100 fps
Muzzle Energy: 308 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: ZVS – Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.5690"/Dia. 0.3550": 115 gr. FMJ
Actual weight 115.2 grains (concaved exposed lead base) Crimp line 0.3530"
C.O.A.L.: 1.1585"
Primer: Small Pistol Brass color
Case: Diameter 0.3890" Crimp Diameter 0.3765" Length 0.7490"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: ? LOVEX DO36 ? 5.4 grains *
* (fine flatten ball)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/t3uwny50t/IMG_0135_zpsef8f88c7.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/5pmxc12j1/IMG_0136_zps33d4a094.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/6f5poeq7x/IMG_0137_zps16cb9237.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/4ncqtiu0d/IMG_0138_zps32177ee7.jpg)
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: American Eagle 115 gr FMJ
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: 1150 fps
Muzzle Energy: 337 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Federal FC – Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.5965"/Dia. 0.3550": 115 gr. FMJ
Actual weight 115.0 grains (concaved exposed lead base) Crimp line 0.3545"
C.O.A.L.: 1.1515"
Primer: Small Pistol Nickel color
Case: Diameter 0.3885" Crimp Diameter 0.3760" Length 0.7490"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: Power Pistol 4.6 grains
(https://s20.postimg.cc/q0u6kr5jh/IMG_0139_zps4de6e7b5.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/9d2oi9ihp/IMG_0140_zps441cf6a8.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/6izj4to19/IMG_0141_zps61a2b63c.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/yj3mp3z7h/IMG_0142_zps9b91d052.jpg)
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: American Eagle 124 gr FMJ
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: 1050 fps
Muzzle Energy: 303 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Federal FC – Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.5965"/Dia. 0.3550": 124 gr. FMJ
Actual weight 123.0 grains (exposed lead base) Crimp line 0.3545"
C.O.A.L.: 1.1500"
Primer: Small Pistol Nickel color
Case: Diameter 0.3850" Crimp Diameter 0.3765" Length 0.7485"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: Power Pistol 4.2 grains
(https://s20.postimg.cc/4v0dpscm5/IMG_0143_zpsaed5f622.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/6a1yeilf1/IMG_0144_zpsa6e363bd.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/zcg8hd2jx/IMG_0145_zps43112d2e.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/d0ifnzb5p/IMG_0146_zps6b820304.jpg)
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Priv Partizan Ammo PPU 124 gr FMJ
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity:1099 fps
Muzzle Energy: 331 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: PPU - Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.6130"/Dia. 0.3545": FMJ 124gr.
Actual weight 123.0 grains (concaved exposed lead base) (black sealer)
C.O.A.L.: 1.1535" crimp line 0.3525"
Primer: Brass color
Case: Diameter 0.3875" Crimp Diameter 0.3750" Length 0.7510"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: square cut flakes gray color? 5.4 grains *
*(proprietary powder)? (SIPE) (Vectan Nobel Sport A0) (VihtaVuori N3SH) (VihtaVuori N3SL) ?
(https://s20.postimg.cc/to9xqrvq5/IMG_0314_zps9ae6cdb0.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/esbej6s19/IMG_0315_zpsb01f2ad0.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/3sq77l9bx/IMG_0316_zps63cd5958.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/xxensym4t/IMG_0317_zpsd1b75f7d.jpg)
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: GECO 124 gr FMJ
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity:1180 fps
Muzzle Energy: 382 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: GECO - Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.6135"/Dia. 0.3540": FMJ 124gr.
Actual weight 122.8 grains (concaved exposed lead base)
C.O.A.L.: 1.1500" crimp line 0.3535"
Primer: Brass color
Case: Diameter 0.3865" Crimp Diameter 0.3760" Length 0.7475"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: ? RamShot TrueBlue ? 6.0 grains
(https://s20.postimg.cc/xkn9mttl9/IMG_0318_zpse8fb5b38.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/5xak8qg4d/IMG_0319_zps660fa15d.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/qu6sdetkt/IMG_0320_zpsfdb2ef88.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/p2dtiihxp/IMG_0321_zps947d9ef8.jpg)
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Sellier & Bellot (Non Police) 115gr FMJ
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: 1200 fps
Muzzle Energy: 367 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Sellier & Bellot S&B 14 – Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.5690"/Dia. 0.3550": 115 gr. FMJ
Actual weight 115.6 grains (flat exposed lead base) Crimp line 0.3510"
C.O.A.L.: 1.1595"
Primer: Small Pistol Brass color
Case: Diameter 0.3880" Crimp Diameter 0.3755" Length 0.7480"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: ? HP-38 / W231 ? 5.2 grains *
* (fine irregular flatten ball)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/6bbw807u5/IMG_0322_zps8f954159.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/4jixd3w71/IMG_0323_zps7ffc9830.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/v4lg8o6a5/IMG_0324_zps249c7b80.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/oe4yz8qu3/IMG_0325_zpsad6ae7af.jpg)
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Winchester 115 gr Kinetic HE JHP
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: 1300 fps
Muzzle Energy: 431 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Winchester – Nickle WIN
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.5395"/Dia. 0.3545": 115 gr. HEJHP
HP depth 0.2600" / HP cavity tapered" / HP mouth 0.1800"
Actual weight 115.2 grains (flat base) Crimp line 0.3480"
C.O.A.L.: 1.0890"
Primer: Brass color
Case: Diameter 0.3855" Crimp Diameter 0.3735" Length 0.7460"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: ? AutoComp ? 6.4 grains *
(dark very fine flatten ball) ?
(https://s20.postimg.cc/tpjvk6ael/IMG_0326_zps488433f2.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/g8mx1b7st/IMG_0327_zps1d0a3db8.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/70uokm8gd/IMG_0328_zps232c63a4.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/a7p8490m5/IMG_0329_zps2a2fb667.jpg)
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Speer Lawman 115gr FMJ #53615
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: 1200 fps
Muzzle Energy: 368 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Speer – Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.5700"/Dia. 0.3550": Speer 115gr. FMJ Actual weight 115.0 grains (concave base) crimp line 0.3545"
C.O.A.L.: 1.1525"
Primer: Small pistol Nickel color
Case: Diameter 0.3875" Crimp Diameter 0.3760" Length 0.7490"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: BE-86 6.6 grains *
(has soft translucent grey color off white flakes)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/3jx7v38z1/IMG_0330_zps2cb2baef.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/rawld7gvx/IMG_0331_zpsc9172b6f.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/9kuws6b0t/IMG_0332_zps8a6fcdaa.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/6e0d8klfx/IMG_0333_zps6003ea29.jpg)
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Israel Military Industries IMI 115 gr Ex-Star JHP
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: 1200 fps
Muzzle Energy: 367 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: IMI – Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.5320"/Dia. 0.3545": IMI 115 JHP
HP depth 0.1370" / HP cavity (has a step) 0.1160" / HP mouth 0.1910"
Actual weight 115.0 grains (stamped recessed base) (black sealant)Crimp line 0.3540"
C.O.A.L.: 1.0610"
Primer: Small Pistol Brass color
Case: Diameter 0.3875" Crimp Diameter 0.3780" Length 0.7520"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: ? WSF ? 5.4 grains*
*(foreign made ammo could be proprietary)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/4ftpak5st/IMG_0374_zpsadefd2d6.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/c8kd2jjhp/IMG_0375_zpsf170e381.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/sjkgyv3p9/IMG_0376_zps229e7283.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/7mo8u7stp/IMG_0378_zps1eab3cb3.jpg)
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Israel Military Industries IMI 115 gr FMJ
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: 1200 fps
Muzzle Energy: 367 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: IMI – Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.5780" /Dia. 0.3545": IMI 115 FMJ
Actual weight 115.2 grains (exposed lead base) (black sealant)Crimp line 0.3540"
C.O.A.L.: 1.1580"
Primer: Small Pistol Brass color (red sealer)
Case: Diameter 0.3875" Crimp Diameter 0.3780" Length 0.7520"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: ? Silhouette ? 6.2 grains
*(Foreign powders can be proprietary)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/5knrgexjx/IMG_0379_zps03cda288.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/oczmk01nx/IMG_0380_zps9f56eeb5.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/tbn4yjd6l/IMG_0381_zpsb6b53061.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/noqs0h2rx/IMG_0382_zps993f96dc.jpg)
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Israel Military Industries IMI 124 gr FMJ
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: 1100 fps
Muzzle Energy: 333 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: IMI – Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.5780" / Dia. 0.3555": IMI 124 FMJ
Actual weight 124.8 grains (exposed lead base) (black sealant)Crimp line 0.3540"
C.O.A.L.: 1.1600"
Primer: Small Pistol Brass color (red sealer)
Case: Diameter 0.3880" Crimp Diameter 0.3770" Length 0.7520"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: ? WSF ? 5.4 grains
*(Foreign powders can be proprietary)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/3veo81zrh/IMG_0383_zps87036a47.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/j44llu15p/IMG_0384_zps9bbba721.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/yplx5sktp/IMG_0385_zpscb55ff39.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/6cqffc6t9/IMG_0386_zps71af0754.jpg)
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Magtech 115 gr JHP 9C
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: 1155 fps
Muzzle Energy: 340 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: CBC – Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.5500"/Dia. 0.3545": 115 gr. JHP
HP depth 0.2640" / HP dia 0.1170" (tapered) / Mouth 0.2000"
Actual weight 115.0 grains (dimpled flat base) Crimp line 0.3530"
C.O.A.L.: 1.1110"
Primer: Brass color
Case: Diameter 0.3855" Crimp Diameter 0.3770" Length 0.7465"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: ? Magtech ? 5.6 grains *
*(reason for ? marks is Magtech does make their own powders) (similar to Power Pistol)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/k6es4g4kd/IMG_0387_zpsb797a613.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/kj66amujx/IMG_0388_zps23b6d2c1.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/rz5fwfpz1/IMG_0389_zps9f605e85.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/6cqffez4b/IMG_0390_zpsa248665a.jpg)
For the IMI rounds, does it look the the 115 Ex-Star uses the same 124 FMJ powder and the 115 FMJ is a different one?
Yea, the 115 Ex-Star & the 124 FMJ they are using the same powder. Its what seems to be WSF powder, but these foreign companies may have their powders tailored to their own specifications with or without deterrents or flash retardants.
The IMI company although not stated, probably makes their own powders but they may also import powders for the needs.
http://www.imi-israel.com/home/doc.aspx?mCatID=63195&mCatID2=0 (http://www.imi-israel.com/home/doc.aspx?mCatID=63195&mCatID2=0)
Just like the sheer amount of 9mm ammo, there are so many powders available to work with the 9mm cartridge.
these 4 companies, Magtech, CBC, Sellier & Bellot and MEN comprise the CBC Ammo Group. That pretty white looking Magtech powder, proprietary to Magtech, (not sold to the public, even though the sell primers and bullet and brass) that I have ever seen. Based on the velocity and charge weights used, it tracks the Power Pistol powder performance.
The 9mm case has only so much room to work with and is why we see variations in seating depths with different bullet styles.
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Priv Partizan Ammo PPU 147 gr JHP
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity:950 fps
Muzzle Energy: 284 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: PPU - Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.6280"/Dia. 0.3545": JHP 147gr.
HP depth 0.1580" / HP dia 0.0650" / Mouth 0. 2220""
Actual weight 146.2 grains (exposed lead base) crimp line 0.3535"
C.O.A.L.: 1.1095"
Primer: Small Pistol Primer Brass color
Case: Diameter 0.3875" Crimp Diameter 0.3755" Length 0.7500"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: square cut flakes gray color? 4.6 grains (proprietary powder)?
(Nobel Sport A0)(PSB5)(SIPE) (Vectan) (VihtaVuori N3SH) (VihtaVuori N3SL) (FM Z-50)?
(https://s20.postimg.cc/ytkbzmv2l/IMG_0391_zpse855c4d3.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/u7o7rc6zh/IMG_0392_zps5eebb058.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/lpern086l/IMG_0393_zps457d5452.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/wozyym6bh/IMG_0394_zpsd1b1a90c.jpg)
Same powder again. It says 147gr up there :-X
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Fiocchi 115gr JHP 9AP
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: 1170 fps
Muzzle Energy: 352 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: GFL(Giulio Fiocchi, Lecco, Italy) – Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.5260"/Dia. 0.3550": 115 gr. JHP
HP depth 0.2235" / HP dia 0.0650" tapered / Mouth 0.1960"
Actual weight 115.2 grains (stamped base) Crimp line 0.3540"
C.O.A.L.: 1.1200"
Primer: Small Pistol primer Brass color
Case: Diameter 0.3870" Crimp Diameter 0.3770" Length 0.7480"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: ? American Select ? 5.4 grains *
(small flake little thicker than Bullseye) (I DON'T HAVE A VERY GOOD PICTURE OF AMERICAN SELECT)
The load data suggest it is in between Bullseye & Power Pistol
(https://s20.postimg.cc/9sn52tocd/IMG_0395_zpscff679c7.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/qt61bi93h/IMG_0396_zps8a3a7d25.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/upjd7i1st/IMG_0397_zps093e103a.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/mwspfjiz1/IMG_0398_zpsb2e74289.jpg)
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Fiocchi 124gr FMJ 9APB
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: 1180 fps
Muzzle Energy: 425 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: GFL(Giulio Fiocchi, Lecco, Italy) – Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.6020"/Dia. 0.3545": 124 gr. FMJ
Actual weight 123.0 grains (concaved exposed lead base) Crimp line 0.3525"
C.O.A.L.: 1.1290"
Primer: Small Pistol primer Brass color
Case: Diameter 0.3870" Crimp Diameter 0.3755" Length 0.7490"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: ? American Select ? 5.4 grains *
(small flake little thicker than Bullseye) (it could be Power Pistol)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/5skl3wn4t/IMG_0399_zpsddf7552c.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/g2n035kq5/IMG_0400_zpsaa25ab61.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/x35wbukwt/IMG_0401_zps0509a7a0.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/tjjym1pwr/IMG_0402_zpsabeb4864.jpg)
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Fiocchi Extrema 147gr Hornady XTP PB25
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: 950 fps
Muzzle Energy: 294 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: GFL(Giulio Fiocchi, Lecco, Italy) – Nickel
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.6610"/Dia. 0.3550": Hornady 147gr. XTP
HP depth 0.2020" / HP dia 0.1340"(tapered) / HP mouth 0.2230" six segments
Actual weight 146.8 grains (beveled flat base) crimp line 0.3535"
C.O.A.L.: 1.0800"
Primer: Small Pistol primer Brass color
Case: Diameter 0.3865" Crimp Diameter 0.3755" Length 0.7500"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: Power Pistol 4.2 grains
(https://s20.postimg.cc/4sua8okz1/IMG_0403_zpsfcd75bb4.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/pcz4768fx/IMG_0404_zps61ce8ad9.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/gupo2uwsd/IMG_0405_zps106c52bc.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/938y3pkr1/IMG_0406_zps2ac473e2.jpg)
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Georgia Arms 9mm +P 115gr Speer Gold Dot JHP
Ballistics Information: 9mm +P
Muzzle Velocity: 1250 fps
Muzzle Energy: 398 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Star Line - Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.5240"/Dia. 0.3555": Speer Gold Dot 115gr. JHP
HP depth 0.1400" / HP dia 0.1700" tapered / HP mouth 0.22600"
Actual weight 114.6 grains concave base / crimp line 0.3535
C.O.A.L.: 1.1000"
Primer: Small Pistol primer Brass color
Case: Diameter 0.3855" Crimp Diameter 0.3750" Length 0.7500"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: ? AutoComp ? 6.0 grains*
(powder looks like AutoComp but looks smaller kernel sizes)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/gls3cnwrx/IMG_0407_zps4ba665a6.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/vhqmka31p/IMG_0408_zpsbca3bb34.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/ki5f8okcd/IMG_0409_zpsaeb2879a.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/cpergpm31/IMG_0410_zps7ec63634.jpg)
It doesn't look exactly like AutoComp huh?
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Speer Lawman 115gr TMJ #53650
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: 1200 fps
Muzzle Energy: 368 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Speer – Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.5690"/Dia. 0.3550": Speer 115gr. TMJ Actual weight 114.8 grains (concave base) crimp line 0.3545"
C.O.A.L.: 1.1520"
Primer: Small pistol Nickel color
Case: Diameter 0.3875" Crimp Diameter 0.3755" Length 0.7495"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: BE-86 6.4 grains *
(has soft translucent grey color off white flakes)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/867492yrx/IMG_0411_zps35c5131e.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/u5diwav1p/IMG_0412_zps6a83217d.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/lzvgy5eil/IMG_0413_zps8ff5129c.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/6ee5e7aa5/IMG_0414_zps65bab500.jpg)
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Winchester 115 gr SilverTip STHP 1/19/2015
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: 1180 fps
Muzzle Energy: 355 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Winchester – Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.5380"/Dia. 0.3550": 115 gr. STHP
HP depth 0.2800" / HP cavity 0.1525" tapered" / HP mouth 0.2175"
Actual weight 115.4 grains (flat base) Crimp line 0.3475"
C.O.A.L.: 1.0880"
Primer: Small Pistol primer Nickle color
Case: Diameter 0.3870" Crimp Diameter 0.3750" Length 0.7500"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: ? non canister 540 ? 7.0 grains *
(very fine flatten ball) ? (very close to AA#5 data) (Action Pistol or Silhouette)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/z6kwxl2h9/IMG_0415_zpsa8463ba1.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/5rf8ol5nh/IMG_0416_zpsfaae8691.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/rqlnbsu7h/IMG_0417_zps9e6e1b3e.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/8lie21n99/IMG_0418_zpsdc5fb14f.jpg)
The old Silvertip pull-down showed more FPS and 6.2gr's. Is this a different powder?
I think it was, let me go back an look at them...
Older from Sept 2013
(https://s20.postimg.cc/bxeciscx9/IMG_0193_zpsb36fcac1.jpg)
Jan 2015
(https://s20.postimg.cc/8lie21n99/IMG_0418_zpsdc5fb14f.jpg)
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Cor-Bon 147 gr +P Hornady XTP (provided by IC)
Ballistics Information: 9mm +P
Muzzle Velocity: 1100 fps
Muzzle Energy: 394 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Remington RP– Brass (has knurl line)
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.6580"/Dia. 0.3545": Hornady 147 XTP
HP depth 0.1200" / HP cavity (tapered) 0.1130" / HP mouth 0.2375"
Actual weight 147.4 grains (tapered flat base) Crimp line 0.3510"
C.O.A.L.: 1.1300" / 1.1300"
Primer: Small Pistol Nickel color (some red sealer)
Case: Diameter 0.3855" Crimp Diameter 0.3750" Length 0.7490"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: AA#7 7.8 / 7.8 grains
(https://s20.postimg.cc/c6e9kyeul/IMG_0460_zps80a1e856.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/ik3co7rgd/IMG_0461_zps24cba3b6.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/enq0s8e6l/IMG_0462_zps9b6243b5.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/wdrpd9zh7/IMG_0463_zps024dfac4.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/niqv2rxu5/IMG_0464_zps57399ea2.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/5sp6hqrz1/IMG_0465_zps9f842f18.jpg)
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Parabellum Research PBR 115 gr Montana Gold JHP (provided by IC)
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: 1245 fps
Muzzle Energy: 395 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Star Line – Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.5485"/Dia. 0.3550": MG 115 JHP
HP depth 0.0990" / HP cavity (tapered) 0.0970" / HP mouth 0.1900"
Actual weight 115.0 grains (concave base) Crimp line 0.3550"
C.O.A.L.: 1.1065"
Primer: Small Pistol Brass color
Case: Diameter 0.3860" Crimp Diameter 0.3765" Length 0.7490"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: Power Pistol 6.2 grains
(https://s20.postimg.cc/xg1vw10cr/IMG_0466_zps0410d2c4.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/hukkc2w4d/IMG_0467_zpsc99de3e9.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/r2csssawd/IMG_0468_zps2e3e8b2e.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/nvi995y63/IMG_0469_zps2d5dc158.jpg)
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: LAX 115gr plated FMJ
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: 1128 fps
Muzzle Energy: 324 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: LAX – Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.5560"/Dia. 0.3540": 115 gr. FMJ plated
Actual weight 114.8 grains (flat base) Crimp line 0.3510" black sealer
C.O.A.L.: 1.1410"
Primer: Small Pistol Nickel color
Case: Diameter 0.3895" Crimp Diameter 0.3770" Length 0.7480"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: Power Pistol 5.4 grains
(https://s20.postimg.cc/5wizy2i1p/IMG_0539_zpswup1xuvw.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/pr51k7kel/IMG_0540_zpsblvkbeuu.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/rvpelatr1/IMG_0541_zpsdcc2rgka.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/sl86xo20d/IMG_0542_zpsksnqktlt.jpg)
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Independence 115gr JHP #5247 3/4/2015
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: 1160 fps
Muzzle Energy: 343 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Federal FC – Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.5260"/Dia. 0.3550": 115 gr. JHP
HP depth 0.1825" / HP dia 0.1150" tapered stepped / Mouth 0.1960"
Actual weight 114.8 grains (stamped base) Crimp line N/A 0.3550"
C.O.A.L.: 1.0670" (black sealer)
Primer: Small Pistol primer Nickel color (red sealer)
Case: Diameter 0.3880" Crimp Diameter 0.3780" Length 0.7485"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: Ramshot Silhouette 5.8 grains
(https://s20.postimg.cc/72mzwq8vh/IMG_0543_zps4pluu10u.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/yd8b4nji5/IMG_0544_zpsyqm5tvmu.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/6pvlqk619/IMG_0545_zpszlueacxn.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/mo4bgpfot/IMG_0546_zpsritltvnz.jpg)
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Magtech 124gr JSP provided by IC 3/4/2015
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: 1109 fps
Muzzle Energy: 339 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: CBC – Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.5885"/Dia. 0.3550": 124 gr. JSP
Actual weight 123.8 grains (dimpled flat base) Crimp line 0.3545"
C.O.A.L.: 1.1550" (0.2420" at the jacket start)
Primer: Small Pistol Brass color (symbol A on primer)
Case: Diameter 0.3865" Crimp Diameter 0.3765" Length 0.7480"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: Power Pistol 5.4 grains
(https://s20.postimg.cc/pm5vo5kfx/IMG_0547_zpsmwcbvyqm.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/r17gcw8od/IMG_0548_zpsh19mrzmv.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/3mzh0zdwd/IMG_0549_zpsxyszjzot.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/7jcswztqz/IMG_0550_zpscxl05c8n.jpg)
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Cor-Bon 90 gr +P JHP (provided by IC 3/4/2015)
Ballistics Information: 9mm +P
Muzzle Velocity: 1500 fps
Muzzle Energy: 450 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Cor-Bon – Brass ( has knurl line)
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.4130"/Dia. 0.3550": ? 90 JHP
HP depth 0.1050" / HP cavity 0.1690"(tapered) / HP mouth 0.2450"
Actual weight 90.4 grains (flat base) Crimp line 0.3540"
C.O.A.L.: 1.0160"
Primer: Small Pistol Brass color
Case: Diameter 0.3865" Crimp Diameter 0.3760" Length 0.7490"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: LOVEX D032-03 6.4 grains
(https://s20.postimg.cc/ia0fijpcd/IMG_0551_zps6eb2pwgs.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/7zy0jb76l/IMG_0552_zpstt2ilxau.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/ppzp4csh9/IMG_0553_zpsjlsebi6p.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/ia0fikchp/IMG_0554_zpsinrm00cr.jpg)
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Cor-Bon 95 gr DPX 100% copper (provided by IC 3/4/2015)
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: 1300 fps
Muzzle Energy: 356 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Cor-Bon – Brass ( has knurl line)
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.5970"/Dia. 0.3550": ? 95 DPX
HP depth 0.3475" / HP cavity 0.1770"(tapered) / HP mouth 0.2225"
Actual weight 95.0 grains (flat base) Crimp line 0.3540"
C.O.A.L.: 1.1355"
Primer: Small Pistol Brass color
Case: Diameter 0.3865" Crimp Diameter 0.3770" Length 0.7490"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: Power Pistol 5.8 grains
(https://s20.postimg.cc/928723xsd/IMG_0555_zpsd8z2tpj3.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/7zy0jkmot/IMG_0556_zpsclslwako.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/oay4fw6wd/IMG_0557_zpsyoovatlq.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/oay4fwem5/IMG_0558_zps2qkkhdoe.jpg)
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Federal Ammo Guard Dog 105gr EFMJ (Expanding Full Metal Jacket)(PD9GRD)
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: 1230 fps
Muzzle Energy: 353 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: FEDERAL FC – Nickel
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.6470"/Dia. 0.3545": 105 gr. EFMJ
Actual weight 105.4 grains (exposed lead plug in the base) (black sealer)
MEPLAT 0.2150" Crimp line 0.3540"
C.O.A.L.: 1.1260"
Primer: Small Pistol Nickle color
Case: Diameter 0.3850" Crimp Diameter 0.3770" Length 0.7500"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: Winchester AutoComp 5.6 grains
(https://s20.postimg.cc/eqeht8mrx/IMG_0561_zpswgj7z4qo.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/lguz2ohnh/IMG_0562_zpswntk0jpy.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/yxrxljzot/IMG_0563_zpsrskifest.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/ubvtd7lvf/IMG_0564_zpsbuqoyxe3.jpg)
More on he Federal Ammo Guard Dog 105gr EFMJ (Expanding Full Metal Jacket)(PD9GRD)
It would appear that the jacketed cup is pre scored (six segments) internally to fracture upon impact. The polymer is seated to fill the interior space and the lead plug is used to seal the rear of the projectile to act as a piston against the polymer to help expand the jacket.
(https://s20.postimg.cc/dpe93lihp/6a740748-e5fa-4c8f-857c-750989969d9c_zpsej4ae0ez.jpg)
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Hornady TAP FPD 124gr +P (provided by IC 3/4/2015)
Ballistics Information: 9mm +P
Muzzle Velocity: 1200 fps
Muzzle Energy: 396 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Hornady – Nickel +P
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.5730"/Dia. 0.3550": 124gr. TAP FPD
HP Depth 0.2020" / HP cavity 0.1200" tapered / mouth 0.2200"
Actual weight 123.6 grains (flat base) Crimp line 0.3540"
C.O.A.L.: 1.0630"
Primer: Small Pistol Brass color
Case: Diameter 0.3870" Crimp Diameter 0.3770" Length 0.7495"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: Alliant BE-86 5.2 grains *
*(I think it will be short on the velocity mark)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/x78wjpn71/IMG_0566_zps5iq2dicz.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/aijpk5dj1/IMG_0567_zps3kml9yzn.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/69ezhzpp9/IMG_0568_zps6c092u49.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/yz1ven1f1/IMG_0569_zpsbnpztlxe.jpg)
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Underwood 115gr Xtreme Penetrator +P+ (supplied by IC 3/4/2015)
Ballistics Information: 9mm +P+
Muzzle Velocity: 1250 fps
Muzzle Energy: 400 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Star Line - Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.6310"/Dia. 0.3545": Lehigh Defense 115gr.
CNC Machined Solid Copper Flat Cross Point (Meplat 0.2575")(inner 0.1625")
Actual weight 115.0 grains Cannelure 0.3525" Notch length 0.3150" Tapered flat base 0.3225
C.O.A.L.: 1.0910"
Primer: Small Pistol Brass color
Case: Diameter 0.3860" Crimp Diameter 0.3765" light / Length 0.7500"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: LOVEX D036-01 7.0 grains*
* (Very similar to AA#5 by charge weight)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/eex1g8699/IMG_0570_zps85jse1vs.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/93i4virwd/IMG_0571_zpsmxjpc6wb.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/jqby0y7rh/IMG_0572_zpsoaj44dvo.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/ud5r6dnmj/IMG_0573_zpsttyct8c7.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/7cz3tphzh/IMG_0572_zpsoaj44dvo.jpg)
LOVEX D036-01 sample...
(https://s20.postimg.cc/haa4mskgb/IMG_0229_zpsccfcc084.jpg)
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Remington 124 gr +P Black Belt BGSHP (GSN9MMD)
Ballistics Information: 9mm +P
Muzzle Velocity: 1125 fps
Muzzle Energy: 348 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Remington RP – Nickel +P
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.5850"/Dia. 0.3550": 124 gr. BGSHP
HP depth 0.1840" / HP cavity 0.1780" tapered / HP mouth 0.2200"
Actual weight 124.6 grains (flat base) Crimp line 0.3450" Black Belt 0.3460"
C.O.A.L.: 1.1250" (black sealer)
Primer: Small Pistol Nickel color (clear sealer)
Case: Diameter 0.3860" Crimp Diameter 0.3765" Length 0.7480"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: ? Ramshot Silhouette ? 5.8 grains *
(very fine flatten ball)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/4ivygk5m5/IMG_0575_zpsrlfrq5d8.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/jeuho5oql/IMG_0576_zpsxwbtbogd.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/odi02p099/IMG_0577_zpsalctfnyx.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/q5ayxlrbv/IMG_0578_zps2kh4fy6s.jpg)
I think by Wednesday things will be melted and dry. I hope to run all these new ones then.
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Fiocchi 92 gr Expansion Mono-Block (supplied by Intercooler 4/29/2015)
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: 1325 fps
Muzzle Energy: 359 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: GFL(Giulio Fiocchi, Lecco, Italy) – Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.5540"/Dia. 0.3540": 92 gr. EMB
Actual weight 92.8 grains (concaved exposed lead base) Crimp line 0.3525"
The center post Dia. 0.1500" (six segment cuts) Nose MEPLAT Dia. 0.2200"
(designed to prevent core/jacket separation through the use of a solid, one piece copper/brass alloy, for exceptional penetration and expansion through a variety of materials resulting in a very high-end defense load.)
C.O.A.L.: 1.1165"
Primer: Small Pistol Brass color (coated with something brownish in color)
Case: Diameter 0.3870" Crimp Diameter 0.3775" Length 0.7480"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight:?RamShot Silhouette? 6.6 grains*
*(very fine flatten ball)
Western Powder shows the Hornady 90 grain XTP with 6.8 gr Silhouette @ 1,352 34,089 PSI COL 1.070"
(https://s20.postimg.cc/oq9e8yau5/IMG_0006_zpsq1cvcroy.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.c/58eqt0lm5/IMG_0007_zpsl9uzpuzv.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/s9vbys0p9/IMG_0008_zpsrtsqhjeu.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/ljeupcl97/IMG_0009_zpsnsjwgcp2.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/wj0210ojx/9mm_Mono_Block_zpseqby6zrh.jpg)
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Federal 9BP 115gr Hi-Shok JHP (provided by Intercooler 4/29/2015)
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: 1180 fps
Muzzle Energy: 356 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Federal Cartridge – Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.5250"/Dia. 0.3545": FED 115gr. JHP
HP depth 0.2500" / HP dia 0.1010" (tapered) / HP mouth 0.2150" Six long segments
Actual weight 115.4 grains (flat base) (crimp line 0.3535") (small amount black sealant)
C.O.A.L.: 1.0925"
Primer: Small Pistol Nickel color
Case: Diameter 0.3875" Crimp Diameter 0.3745" Length 0.7485"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: Power Pistol 4.6 grains *
*(flake)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/ktw2d42r1/IMG_0010_zps9xna3y8a.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/q5ayxtwjh/IMG_0011_zpswuhkgxjy.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/fv8jyledp/IMG_0012_zpsflv96dpg.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/kh4o6y7mj/IMG_0013_zpsmbpkgrv0.jpg)
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Federal 9BPLE 115gr +P+ Hi-Shok JHP (provide by Intercooler 4/29/2015)
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: 1300 fps
Muzzle Energy: 431 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Federal Cartridge – Nickel +P+
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.5250"/Dia. 0.3545": FED 115gr. JHP
HP depth 0.2500" / HP dia 0.1010" (tapered) / HP mouth 0.2150" Six long segments
Actual weight 115.4 / 115.6 grains (flat base) (crimp line 0.3535") (small amount black sealant)
C.O.A.L.: 1.0965" / 1.0960"
Primer: Small Pisol Nickel color
Case: Diameter 0.3850" Crimp Diameter 0.3760" Length 0.7490"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: ? Silhouette ? 6.8 / 7.0 grains *
*(fine flattened ball) (previous showed 7.0 grains)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/4k5w9u299/IMG_0014_zpskxvcv2ej.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/xmk6cnw8t/IMG_0015_zpsuc8qom8t.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/jg4fhft3h/IMG_0016_zpss2anbtl7.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/q6kwqvnz1/IMG_0017_zpscn9jyhpw.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/np95jmbsd/IMG_0018_zpsnckp0dpd.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/df6qkdtmj/IMG_0019_zpshtvxxsrq.jpg)
Same powder as last on the BPLE? This box was slower and that explains it.
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Speer Lawman 147gr TMJ #53620 (provided by Intercooler 4/29/2015)
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: 985 fps
Muzzle Energy: 317 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Speer – Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.6500"/Dia. 0.3545": Speer 147gr. TMJ Actual weight 147.0 grains Flat Nose Tip 0.1750" (concave base) crimp line 0.3545"
C.O.A.L.: 1.1225"
Primer: Small pistol Nickel color
Case: Diameter 0.3875" Crimp Diameter 0.3760" Length 0.7490"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: BE-86 4.8 grains *
(has soft translucent grey color off white flakes)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/wx1e0ilh9/IMG_0020_zpsp2ewhdjf.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/9vksurtjh/IMG_0021_zpsc9ptvowq.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/dry4qrm8t/IMG_0022_zpso07wdcz8.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/dry4qrtyj/IMG_0023_zps25dbjvhk.jpg)
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: GECO Hexagon 124 gr JHP (provided by Intercooler 4/29/2015)
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: 1181 fps
Muzzle Energy: 382 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: GECO – Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.6175" / * 0.6075"Dia. 0.3540": 124 gr. JHP
HP depth 0.1700" / HP cavity 0.1235" / HP Mouth 0.1600"
Actual weight 122.8 grains (flat base) (Six long folded nose segments)
C.O.A.L.: 1.1275"
Primer: Small Pistol Nickel color (NATO-approved SINTOX primer containing no heavy metals)
Case: Diameter 0.3860" Crimp Diameter 0.3765" Length 0.7470"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: ? Silhouette ? 5.6 grains *
*(base of bullet has a bulge) **(very fine flatten ball)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/kjojt90u5/IMG_0024_zpsgfagpef6.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/5nq0lnx59/IMG_0025_zpspiycytn8.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/3vx1qrli5/IMG_0026_zpsjeecbtch.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/5aymfhuaz/IMG_0027_zpsz7s2pwgz.jpg)
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Sig Sauer 115gr V-Crown JHP (provided by Intercooler 4/29/2015)
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: 1185 fps
Muzzle Energy: 359 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: SIG – Nickel
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.5200"/Dia. 0.3545": Sig 115gr. V-Crown JHP
HP depth 0.0775" / *tiny secondary hole / HP 0.1580" tapered cavity / HP mouth 0.2570"
Actual weight 115.2 grains (flat base) (has shallow cannelure 0.3525") crimp line 0.3490"
C.O.A.L.: 1.0990"
Primer: Small Pistol Nickel color
Case: Diameter 0.3860" Crimp Diameter 0.3765" Length 0.7520"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: BE-86 6.4 grains **
** (fine flat flake with lighter tan colored slightly larger flakes identifiers)
* (tiny secondary hole deeper than the main cavity too tiny to probe)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/qxdmwrsy5/IMG_0028_zps1xoxpslv.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/xnu467ntp/IMG_0029_zpsslkvvipx.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/irvkyo259/IMG_0030_zpszn0gwlnp.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/yq4aorect/IMG_0031_zpsjdw1xed9.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.org/48ofx7ypp/IMG_0032_zpsi8ahlq2l.jpg)
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Speer Lawman 115gr TMJ #53650 (2014)
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: 1200 fps
Muzzle Energy: 368 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Speer – Brass (14)
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.5695"/Dia. 0.3550": Speer 115gr. TMJ Actual weight 115.2 grains (concave base)(black sealant) crimp line 0.3545"
C.O.A.L.: 1.1520"
Primer: Small pistol Nickel color (Range Pick up)
Case: Diameter 0.3880" Crimp Diameter 0.3760" Length 0.7495"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: Accurate Arms #5 7.2 grains *
*(has some of the black sealant in the powder)
Accurate Arms #5 115 SIERRA FMJ
6.3grains @ 1,155 fps
6.7grains @ 1,219 fps 38,425 PSI COL 1.100"
(https://s20.postimg.cc/zfn31a78d/IMG_0054_zps9oem6bju.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/zfn31amnx/IMG_0055_zpscw3peaeg.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/bbwbd0bwt/IMG_0056_zpsdiwltcj4.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/60hesbkp9/IMG_0057_zpsaotra4c3.jpg)
Where did you get the Speer TMJ? That's a different one than I have and different powder.
Found it on the police range so I decided to do a pull down of it. Casing is stamped 14 for 2014. At first I thought it was Silhouette, but the charge weight is too high for it to be Silhouette. Looking at the AA# 5 +P data shown, it is even higher than that but the COL is longer and the bullet has a concave base.
Are you positive on the part number?
Part number may be different, but most all of the Speer Lawman 115gr TMJ show the same number. The only change was the powder and the charge weight.
Hmmm... My box was labeled 53615 and had BE-86. I wonder why they use two different part numbers for the same ammo?
I see what you are saying they could be the 53615, as the 53650 is shown as the same when I was looking for the advertised data...
(http://cdn5.luckygunner.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/5a0a0bbdfe8c505eb3e30f4b7ba75e75/l/a/lawman-9mm-115gr-tmj-3.jpg)
(http://cdn5.luckygunner.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/5a0a0bbdfe8c505eb3e30f4b7ba75e75/b/9/b9137b885ed44205070aceb491c75094.jpg)
Could it have been when they switched to the new BE-86 they changed the part number as well.
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Magtech +P+ 115 gr JHP (supplied by Intercooler 5/6/2015)
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: 1328 fps
Muzzle Energy: 451 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: CBC – Nickle +P+
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.5500"/Dia. 0.3545": 115 gr. JHP
HP depth 0.2645" / HP dia 0.1170" (tapered) / Mouth 0.2000"
Actual weight 114.8 grains (dimpled flat base) Crimp line 0.3530"
C.O.A.L.: 1.1010"
Primer: Small Pistol Brass color (symbol on primer)
Case: Diameter 0.3855" Crimp Diameter 0.3785" Length 0.7465"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: ? Magtech ? 5.8 grains *
*(reason for ? marks is Magtech does make their own powders) (similar to Power Pistol)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/l1oan8srx/IMG_0083_zpsyxuopu1n.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/cjeuix1ot/IMG_0084_zps9kemrvxj.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/hi2cxgsn1/IMG_0085_zpsocvpdfza.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/4dwsksg0r/IMG_0086_zpsxfd7rcsi.jpg)
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Team Never Quit Marcus Luttrell 115 gr SCHP (supplied by Intercooler 5/6/2015)
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: 1065 fps
Muzzle Energy: 289 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Star Line – Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.6820"/Dia. 0.3540": 115 gr. SCHP
HP depth 0.2510" / HP dia 0.1750" / Mouth 0.1200"
Actual weight 113.8 grains (dimpled flat base) Crimp line 0.3520"
C.O.A.L.: 1.1210"
Primer: Small Pistol Nickle color
Case: Diameter 0.3855" Crimp Diameter 0.3765" Length 0.7485"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: ? Silhouette ? 5.0 grains *
(https://s20.postimg.cc/9t5ilts65/IMG_0087_zpszlx1f794.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/7ol5kqy99/IMG_0088_zpstorp2sbe.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/u0iye5531/IMG_0089_zpsvmmgx4d6.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/6z2d8f0al/IMG_0090_zpsxjjhdhv6.jpg)
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: OATH Ammo HALO 135 grain RN Solid (provided by Intercooler 5/6/2015
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: 1200 fps
Muzzle Energy: 527 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Star Line – Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.7285"/Dia. 0.3550": 135 grain RN Solid
Actual weigh 130.6 grains (bevel base) 1-friction reducing bands Diameter 0.3370"
(100% copper projectiles and they will be lighter than the lead counterpart so they will be long for weight like Barnes and others. They also appear to have power bands where the entire projectile is not contacting the rifling; this will reduce frictional surface contact which can translate to speed increases)
C.O.A.L.: 1.1450"
Primer: Small Pistol Brass color
Case: Diameter 0.3855" Crimp Diameter 0.3775" (light) Length 0.7480"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: ? WSF ? 4.2 grains
OATH – Operational American Tactical Hardware
(https://s20.postimg.cc/ornxg8k31/IMG_0091_zpsbblb381j.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/r8zonir4t/IMG_0092_zpskck1rjcb.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.c/6ouup1qt9/IMG_0093_zpsvz0q9ncf.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/5mko6ifpn/IMG_0094_zpsbxerq8uq.jpg)
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Hot Shot Elite 115gr FMJ # AM1904
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: ?? fps (est 1100 fps)
Muzzle Energy: ?? ft. lbs (est 308 ft lbs)
Brass Make/Headstamp: Hot Shot – Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.5670"/Dia. 0.3550": 115 gr. FMJ
Actual weight 115.4 grains (concaved exposed lead base) Crimp line 0.3525"
C.O.A.L.: 1.1580"
Primer: Small Pistol Brass color
Case: Diameter 0.3885" Crimp Diameter 0.3750" Length 0.7505"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: D036-01 ? 5.4-5.6 grains*
(scale flashed both weights and maybe 5.5 grains)
HOTSHOT made in Bosnia-Herzegovina
Century International Arms
(https://s20.postimg.cc/gc2yc4r2l/IMG_0045_zpssywadnan.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/sqpqcgqal/IMG_0046_zps4cburq8c.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/ohl0aaur1/IMG_0047_zpscrwgyepg.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/6rjbp9ovv/IMG_0048_zpslhdlhxgy.jpg)
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Master Cartridge 125gr FMJ (reman)
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: ?? fps (est 1020 fps)
Muzzle Energy: ?? ft. lbs (est 286 ft lbs)
Brass Make/Headstamp: Western Cartridge Company WCC – Brass (+2011)*
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.6195"/Dia. 0.3545": 125 gr. FMJ
Actual weight 124.0 grains (plated hollow base) Crimp line 0.3500"
C.O.A.L.: 1.1290"
Primer: Small Pistol Nickle color (symbol A on primer)
Case: Diameter 0.3870" Crimp Diameter 0.3760" Length 0.7500"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: AutoComp 4.8 grains *
*(probably previous NATO loading)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/4zqcug5jx/IMG_0049_zpsnszxjpgd.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/8jcak9fzh/IMG_0050_zpsdyqibbrd.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/kxz2klf7h/IMG_0051_zpsoctxghd2.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/csh0mfyob/IMG_0052_zpsatgmxjay.jpg)
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Magtech Bonded 124 gr BJHP
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: 1165 fps
Muzzle Energy: 374 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Companhia Brasileira de Cartuchos CBC – Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.5720"/Dia. 0.3545": 124 gr. JHP
HP depth 0.2640" / HP dia 0.1000" (tapered) / Mouth 0.2025" (jacket folded inward)
Actual weight 124.2 grains (dimpled flat base) Crimp line 0.3530"
C.O.A.L.: 1.1120"
Primer: Small Pistol Brass color (green sealer crimped primer)
Case: Diameter 0.3865" Crimp Diameter 0.3775" Length 0.7475"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: ? Magtech ? 6.0 grains *
*(reason for ? marks is Magtech does make their own powders) (similar to Power Pistol in performance)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/z4etg2xv1/IMG_0053_zpsntndthyv.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/86kwecsnh/IMG_0054_zpsvuzmrgpj.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/vksvqb5fx/IMG_0055_zpsxsmaffvx.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/86kwedv8d/IMG_0056_zpsdvo1eomq.jpg)
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Speer Lawman 147gr TMJ (provided by Intercooler 7/2015)
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: 985 fps
Muzzle Energy: 317 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Speer – Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.6490"/Dia. 0.3550": Speer 147gr. TMJ Actual weight 146.4 grains Flat Nose Tip 0.1750" (concave base) crimp line 0.3550"
C.O.A.L.: 1.1220"
Primer: Small Pistol Nickel color
Case: Diameter 0.3885" Crimp Diameter 0.3765" Length 0.7485"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: BE-86 4.8 grains *
*(has soft translucent grey color off white flakes) (matches the one from April/30/2015)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/ku5947zel/IMG_0057_zpsm9ul4kwb.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/zdce5nfot/IMG_0058_zpsmrdb4moq.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/9519gay65/IMG_0059_zpshnbxi3zi.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/qibjv73rv/IMG_0060_zpsqef5qvbs.jpg)
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Poly Case Ammo ARX 74 grain CPM (provided by Intercooler 7/2015
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: 1550 fps
Muzzle Energy: 395 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Star Line – Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.6590"/Dia. 0.3550": 74 grain CPM
Actual weigh 72.0 grains (flat base) Crimp Line 0.3540"
(CPM - The non-expanding ARX® is injection molded from a specially blended copper/polymer matrix)
C.O.A.L.: 1.1270"
Primer: Small Pistol Nickle color
Case: Diameter 0.3855" Crimp Diameter 0.3770" (light) Length 0.7480"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: ? Silhouette ? 6.0 grains
(https://s20.postimg.cc/5uhhu05al/IMG_0061_zps0rn1qk0r.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/x52t1xnn1/IMG_0062_zpslkwao1lf.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/binskwwsd/IMG_0063_zpsa3fr7ssf.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/jbegcwxmj/IMG_0064_zpsxp9mseav.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/mv0e2qnhp/Inceptor-_ARX1.jpg)
http://www.polycaseammo.com/products/inceptor-arx (http://www.polycaseammo.com/products/inceptor-arx)
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Sig Sauer 147gr Speer V-Crown JHP
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: 985 fps
Muzzle Energy: 316 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: SIG – Nickel
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.6545"/Dia. 0.3550": Sig 147gr. V-Crown JHP
HP depth 0.1050" / *tiny secondary 0.1930" / HP 0.1800" tapered cavity / HP mouth 0.2535"
Actual weight 147.2 grains (flat base) (has shallow cannelure 0.3515") crimp line 0.3490"
C.O.A.L.: 1.1030"
Primer: Small Pistol Nickel color
Case: Diameter 0.3865" Crimp Diameter 0.3750" Length 0.7520"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: BE-86 5.0 grains **
** (fine flat flake with lighter tan colored slightly larger flakes identifiers)
* (tiny secondary hole deeper than the main cavity 0.1930")
(https://s20.postimg.cc/ymo9dzsj1/IMG_0065_zpsov8nv5y9.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/rw7s4kd31/IMG_0066_zpsppzgq0m6.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/ymo9e0fod/IMG_0067_zpsjlwdnqlw.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/8r4iutta3/IMG_0068_zps2y6irxz2.jpg)
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Fiocchi 89 gr Semi Jacket Plastic Round Nose Frangible (supplied by Intercooler 7/2015)
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: ??? fps (tested at 1420)
Muzzle Energy: ??? ft. lbs (est 398 ft lbs)
Brass Make/Headstamp: GFL(Giulio Fiocchi, Lecco, Italy) – Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.6820"/Dia. 0.3545": 89 gr. SJPRN
Projectile has a 0.2800" plastic rounded pellet filling the brass cased sleeve (black sealer to hold)
Actual weight 89.4 grains (concaved exposed lead base) Crimp line 0.3525"
C.O.A.L.: 1.1400"
Primer: Small Pistol Brass color
Case: Diameter 0.3870" Crimp Diameter 0.3765" Length 0.7480"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: ? S.I.P.E. ? 5.8 grains
*(rectangular cut flakes)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/71vfmnqel/IMG_0070_zpsheczd8vm.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/71vfmny4d/IMG_0071_zpsdebl82wc.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/4kjofelxp/IMG_0072_zpssnnyqrsy.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/8gx0been1/IMG_0073_zpsaenf3i78.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/z1zj6yoq5/IMG_0074_zpsr3m56lmj.jpg)
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Remington 124 gr +P Golden Saber BGSHP
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: 1180 fps
Muzzle Energy: 384 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: R-P 9mm Luger +P – Nickel
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.577"/Dia. 0.3550": 124 gr. BGSHP
HP depth 0.1180" / HP cavity 0.1800" / HP mouth 0.2000"
Actual weight 122.8 grains (flat base) Crimp line 0.3480"
C.O.A.L.: 1.123"
Primer: Nickel color
Case: Diameter 0.3865" Crimp Diameter 0.3770" Length 0.7480"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: ? Silhouette 6.0gr *
(very fine flatten ball)
Please excuse the weights listed in the comparison photos, The first two I originally pulled I lost powder due to hammering a little hard. The correct charge weight is 6grains.
(https://s20.postimg.cc/t2gu05fbh/DSC_0315_zpskdyce5lt.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/8ic01o7a3/IMAG0552_zpstrfvhefx.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/s06nhmbxp/DSC_0316_zpslugewsmk.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/uhieow3jx/powder_comparison_zpsckxqgs7q.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/tf886csgd/load_zpsmfs3wjy9.jpg)
Andy, I copied the pictures to my postimage account due to photobuckets TOS change, didn't want to lose your work.
Thanks for posting Andy, these pull downs do take some careful measurements, observations and time to gather and put in the format to be concise, then for me at least uploading the pictures to Photobucket on my limited bandwidth.
Don't put too much into the 0.3 or 0.4 grain differences as loaded by factory and what is shown in the loading books, the velocities can and do vary some.
Reasons for variation can be seating depths, barrel used for the testing, pressure testing setup, being used, primer being use and fudge factors as printed in the ads.
The other variation can also be slight changes in deterrents and coatings, if the Big commercial ammo companies specifies things like low flash, specific performance characteristic.
But I don't think that these are as prevalent these days as the non-canister runs like Winchester / St. Marks was doing years ago.
Most of the modern ammo seems to be very close to off the shelf canister grade products. Lot to lot consistencies have be much improved too.
One thing that I complain about is the companies which are not listing pressure values these days like Alliant, which is very sad. I like to know what pressure was for a given test.
Thanks! :D
Quote from: Pctechdude on August 09 2015 09:00:35 AM MDT
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Remington 124 gr +P Golden Saber BGSHP
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: 1180 fps
Muzzle Energy: 384 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: R-P 9mm Luger +P – Nickel
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.577"/Dia. 0.3550": 124 gr. BGSHP
HP depth 0.1180" / HP cavity 0.1800" / HP mouth 0.2000"
Actual weight 122.8 grains (flat base) Crimp line 0.3480"
C.O.A.L.: 1.123"
Primer: Nickel color
Case: Diameter 0.3865" Crimp Diameter 0.3770" Length 0.7480"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: ? Silhouette 6.0gr *
(very fine flatten ball)
Please excuse the weights listed in the comparison photos, The first two I originally pulled I lost powder due to hammering a little hard. The correct charge weight is 6grains.
(https://s20.postimg.cc/t2gu05fbh/DSC_0315_zpskdyce5lt.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/8ic01o7a3/IMAG0552_zpstrfvhefx.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/s06nhmbxp/DSC_0316_zpslugewsmk.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/uhieow3jx/powder_comparison_zpsckxqgs7q.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/tf886csgd/load_zpsmfs3wjy9.jpg)
The one I had was #5. Did they change the powder or.....
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Yavex 115 gr FMJ (brass) (supplied by Intercooler)
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: 1150 fps
Muzzle Energy: 338 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: YVX – Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.5900"/Dia. 0.3545": 115 gr. FMJ
Actual weight 114.6 grains (concaved exposed lead base) Crimp line 0.3535"
C.O.A.L.: 1.1540" (black sealant)
Primer: Small Pistol Brass color (green sealant) (crimped)
Case: Diameter 0.3875" Crimp Diameter 0.3750" Length 0.7490"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: ? Ramshot True Blue ? 6.6 grains *
* (mix spherical & flatten ball) Ammo is an import through 4t USA LLC is primary distributor.
(https://s20.postimg.cc/qjv4zegpp/IMG_0232_zps8fsxs6qz.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/dsgyswenh/IMG_0233_zps2sgta9gm.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/5zqb0xge5/IMG_0234_zpsiy2al8i1.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/a8v133rd7/IMG_0236_zpsiuticxtl.jpg)
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacturer: Nosler Tip Bonded Defense 124 gr +P Nosler JHP (supplied by Intercooler 12-2015)
Ballistics Information: 9mm +P
Muzzle Velocity: 1200 fps
Muzzle Energy: 396 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Nosler NOS – Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.6720"/Dia. 0.3545": Nosler 124 JHP
HP cavity (tapered) / HP mouth 0.2380"
Actual weight 123.6 grains (flat base) Crimp line 0.3505" (six segments)
C.O.A.L.: 1.0990"
Primer: Small Pistol Brass color (clear sealer)
Case: Diameter 0.3865" Crimp Diameter 0.3750" Length 0.7495"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: Bullseye 4.8 grains
(https://s20.postimg.cc/j3vvdn3b1/Defense-bullets.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/6p93dbjil/IMG_0237_zpstny4w117.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/xn30f2bvh/IMG_0238_zpsdetnclqq.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/tqpoj2ylp/IMG_0239_zpsfrosz1qh.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/aydtfi9x7/IMG_0240_zps4ogjifuz.jpg)
Looks like Power Pistol huh?
Power Pistol and BE-86 are a derivatives of Bullseye... ::)
What distinguishes them from each other?
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Perfecta 115gr Bronze FMJ (Jan 14 2016)
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: 1140 fps (1100)
Muzzle Energy: 331 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Perfecta – Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.5895" - 0.6000"/Dia. 0.3545": 115 gr. FMJ
Actual weight 113.4 - 115.0 grains (concaved exposed lead base) Crimp line 0.3475"
C.O.A.L.: 1.1480" - 1.1570"
Primer: Brass color
Case: Diameter 0.3870" Crimp Diameter 0.3780" Length 0.7495"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: ? WSF ? 4.8 grains * (different from Sept 5 2014)
(flattened flake) Made in Italy, and distributed by "Tulammo USA"
10 pulled that IC sent
Perfecta 9mm 115 grain FMJ pull downs casing length 0.7495" Crimp light
COAL Charge Wt Bullet Wt
1 1.1535 4.8 gr 114.6 gr
2 1.1515 4.8 gr 113.6 gr
3 1.1515 4.8 gr 115.0 gr
4 1.1570 5.0 gr 114.8 gr
5 1.1525 4.8 gr 114.6 gr
6 1.1500 4.8 gr 113.4 gr
7 1.1525 4.8 gr 114.0 gr
8 1.1500 4.8 gr 114.0 gr
9 1.1480 4.8 gr 114.0 gr
10 1.1515 4.8 gr 114.6 gr
(https://s20.postimg.cc/nprzm34al/IMG_0286_zpsqdip2wq3.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/cdfe4b3bf/IMG_0285_zpsowtcrkjq.jpg)
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Remington UMC 115 gr FMJ MC
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: 1145 fps (doubt these make the numbers)(more like 1050 fps)(Sub Sonic maybe)
Muzzle Energy: 335 ft. lbs (more like 281 fps)
Brass Make/Headstamp: Remington – Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.5575"/Dia. 0.3550": 115 gr. FMJ
Actual weight 115.2 grains (flat base) (exposed lead base) Crimp line 0.3550"
C.O.A.L.: 1.1075" / 1.1115"
Primer: Small Pistol Nickel color
Case: Diameter 0.3855" Crimp Diameter 0.3770" Length 0.7505"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: Tight Group 3.6 grains *
*(also no powder data shown makes those numbers using only 3.6 grains of any powder)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/6p93dg99p/IMG_0363_zps7jkzw1ib.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/g9sq0c6bh/IMG_0364_zpsfuljehwf.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/6p93dgop9/IMG_0365_zpsm0ui2kgm.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/5mywuxdln/IMG_0366_zpsqrqenprg.jpg)
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Freedom Munitions American Steel115 gr RN
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: 1090 fps
Muzzle Energy: 303 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Freedom Munitions FM – Brass coated steel case
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.5520"/Dia. 0.3540": 115 gr. X-Treme Plated RN
Actual weight 115.0 grains (flat base) Crimp line 0.3530"
C.O.A.L.: 1.1565"
Primer: Small Pistol Nickel color
Case: Diameter 0.3890" Crimp Diameter 0.3785" Length 0.7525"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: WSF 4.8 grains
(https://s20.postimg.cc/houap5mv1/IMG_0400_zpsvbjbkhpn.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/gmk46mbrh/IMG_0401_zpsyt4db8oc.jpg)
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(https://s20.postimg.cc/nd0lg2ecr/IMG_0403_zpsclp5gr1k.jpg)
X-Treme Bullets features copper plating applied electrochemically to a precision swaged lead core. The base of the bullet is also fully coated in copper. X-Treme Bullets are proudly made out of the finest materials available in the United States in order to ensure performance delivered down range with each and every shot. Our process starts with a lead billet that is extruded into wire. The lead wire is then swaged into a core. The cores are copper plated, then re-struck once more. Though not common in the industry, this restrike process produces a bullet that is more uniform, with a more precise diameter and a smoother finish for a better shooting and a better looking bullet. X-Treme Bullets Copper Plated projectiles are re-struck to ensure our diameters are precise and consistent from bullet to bullet and lot to lot.
Quote from: The_Shadow on April 12 2016 06:11:53 PM MDT
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Remington UMC 115 gr FMJ MC
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: 1145 fps (doubt these make the numbers)(more like 1050 fps)
Muzzle Energy: 335 ft. lbs (more like 281 fps)
Brass Make/Headstamp: Remington – Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.5575"/Dia. 0.3550": 115 gr. FMJ
Actual weight 115.2 grains (flat base) (exposed lead base) Crimp line 0.3550"
C.O.A.L.: 1.1075" / 1.1115"
Primer: Small Pistol Nickel color
Case: Diameter 0.3855" Crimp Diameter 0.3770" Length 0.7505"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: Tight Group 3.6 grains *
*(also no powder data shown makes those numbers using only 3.6 grains of any powder)
It could be Clays, TightWad, Nitro 100, or Solo 1000.
Accurate shows load data for 9mm w/115grFMJ and Nitro 100 around 3.6 grains And also Ramshot Competition powder
http://www.accuratepowder.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/WesternLoadGuide1-2016_Web.pdf
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The Remington 115 grain, Hodgdon shown as follows...TITEGROUP is shown with 4.8 grains @ 1158 30,500 CUP (I just think that these 3.6 gr loads are going to be around a 1000 fps) The velocity data shown on the web for Remington 9mm 115 gr ammo all came back to the 1145 fps...
Well it is not Clays but I did think about TightWad as a possibility...Although people have used it in 9mm...
(https://s20.postimg.cc/6p93dnjm3/be095745.jpg)
They are definitely not either of the Nitro 100 or Solo 1000
Ramshot Competition, could be a possibility but again shown as 3.6 grains @ 1003 fps
Where did the Remington come from? I have probably shot it and we pulled it down. Do you want me to see if I have it?
I had got them from the range when I was there last, decided to pull them to see what was in them. I do think we did them according to my notes. The only Remington 9mm 115 loadings I could find showed the 1145 fps. I doubt these will make those numbers. The powder looks to be TightGroup best I can tell...
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: COLT Solid Copper Hollow Point 115gr SCHP (provided by Intercooler 6/2016)
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: 1200 fps
Muzzle Energy: 367 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: COLT – Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.6865"/Dia. 0.3545": 115 gr. SCHP**
HP depth 0.2370" / HP dia 0.1650" / HP outer dia 0.2275"
Actual weight 114.6 grains (concaved base) Crimp line 0.3535"
C.O.A.L.: 1.1230"
Primer: Small Pistol Brass color (boxer - although they were listed as Berdan)
Case: Diameter 0.3865" Crimp Diameter 0.3755" Length 0.7505"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: Bullseye 4.0 grains *
*(the long bullet, light weight, black oxide coating)
**(Projectile is similar to Copper Only Projectiles)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/614u7yhul/IMG_0616_zpsk0w7pvea.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/bcjqsobn1/IMG_0617_zps8a0bzwdg.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/4yunpfegt/IMG_0618_zpsjjugrsdz.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/5odg1smq5/IMG_0619_zpszjfx09wc.jpg)
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Browning BPT 147 gr FMJ (provided by Intercooler 6/2016)
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: 1000 fps
Muzzle Energy: 326 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Browning – Black Nickel Plated
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.6565"/Dia. 0.3545": 147 gr.FMJ
MEPLAT 0.1800"
Actual weight 147.0 grains (exposed lead base) Crimp line 0.3525"
C.O.A.L.: 1.1170"
Primer: Small Pistol Brass color
Case: Diameter 0.3855" Crimp Diameter 0.3760" (heavy) Length 0.7475"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: Silhouette 5.0 grains *
(very fine flatten ball)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/n1nqgq2ml/IMG_0620_zpsytsqa9rq.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/bcjqsrr3h/IMG_0621_zpsrf53aw0o.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/hq8tw0o9p/IMG_0622_zpsdpcobrsc.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/wyyr9sxdn/IMG_0623_zpswfkvi8gx.jpg)
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Speer Lawman 115gr TMJ 53650 (provided by Intercooler 6/2016)
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: 1200 fps
Muzzle Energy: 368 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Speer – Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.5690"/Dia. 0.3550": Speer 115gr. TMJ Actual weight 114.8 grains (slight concave base) crimp line 0.3550"
C.O.A.L.: 1.1620"
Primer: Small Pistol Nickel color
Case: Diameter 0.3885" Crimp Diameter 0.3770" Length 0.7500"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: Power Pistol 6.2 grains
(https://s20.postimg.cc/6qnmkil0t/IMG_0625_zpsyizhgl04.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/qy12ctq7x/IMG_0626_zpsapswikzp.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/hq8tw4qvh/IMG_0627_zpss8rt6jh7.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/ql9o6nndn/IMG_0628_zpsiwffg4fj.jpg)
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Wolf WPA Polyformance 115gr FMJ (provided by IC 6/2016)
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: 1150 fps
Muzzle Energy: 338 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Tula Cartridge Works – Steel (polymer coated)
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.6025"/Dia. 0.3545": 115 gr. FMJ Bi-Metal (steel & copper) (bullet and case will stick to magnet)
Actual weight 113.4 grains (concaved exposed lead base) Crimp line 0.3535"
C.O.A.L.: 1.1170"
Primer: Small Pistol Brass color (Berdan)
Case: Diameter 0.3885" Crimp Diameter 0.3760" Length 0.7480"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: ? Russian ? 5.2 grains *
*(very similar to HP-38/W231) (medium irregular flatten ball)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/l9urm0tm5/IMG_0629_zpsovj4whgu.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/wm7d3ta0t/IMG_0630_zps2ztisabe.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/pvqvudukt/IMG_0631_zpsc5svbwvj.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/azscmsqvx/IMG_0632_zpsf9lguw5t.jpg)
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Freedom Munitions AMERICAN STEEL 115gr FMJ plated (provided by IC 6/2016)
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: 1090 fps
Muzzle Energy: 303 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: FM – Bi-Metal (brass coated steel)(interior slight step)
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.5545"/Dia. 0.3540": 115 gr. FMJ
Actual weight 115.2 grains (flat base) Crimp line 0.3530"
C.O.A.L.: 1.1500"
Primer: Small Pistol Brass color
Case: Diameter 0.3895" Crimp Diameter 0.3785" (medium) Length 0.7495"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: Winchester WSF 4.8 grains *
(silvery flatten ball)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/azscmx8x9/IMG_0633_zpsxrvosjr9.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/u4vlwovb1/IMG_0634_zpsks8o5tvl.jpg)
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(https://s20.postimg.cc/y18xsovq5/IMG_0637_zpsmbtc2jqz.jpg)
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Federal Syntech 115gr TSJ (supplied by IC 6/2016)
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: 1130 fps
Muzzle Energy: 326 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Federal FC – Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.5810"/Dia. 0.3540": 115gr. Syntech TSJ
Actual weight 115.0 grains (Lead core Syntech RED plated) (flat base slight dimple)
C.O.A.L.: 1.1230" Crimp line N/A
Primer: Small Pistol Nickel color (Catalyst lead-free primer)
Case: Diameter 0.3885" Crimp Diameter 0.3755" Length 0.7485"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: Silhouette 5.6 grains
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(https://s20.postimg.cc/cu574kvwt/IMG_0639_zpsxu57d6jm.jpg)
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(https://s20.postimg.cc/hsspj4f57/IMG_0641_zpsg2br2ato.jpg)
The Speer Lawman had 7.2gr's of AA#5 listed in the past. I guess Power Pistol does better?
I have shot the 124 grain stuff using 6.6 grains of Power Pistol @ 1235 fps... :) great shooter too.
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Barnes Tac-xp +p 115gr Solid Copper HP
Ballistics Information: 9mm +P
Muzzle Velocity: 1125 fps
Muzzle Energy: 323 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Barnes 9mm +p Nickel
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.6930"/Dia. 0.355": Solid Copper HP
HP depth 0.290" / HP mouth 0.161"
Actual weight 115.4 grains (flat base) Crimp line 0.315"
C.O.A.L.: 1.127"
Primer: Small Pistol Nickel color
Case: Diameter 0.3855" Crimp Diameter 0.3750" Length 0.7490"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: Silhouette 5.7gr?
(https://s20.postimg.cc/lqfz8gp2z/c401c1d1d2eacf956b68db957e81fc8a.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/52oh5zp6j/850977104b54e893c40a22f1c9bfb40d.jpg)
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(https://s20.postimg.cc/l0x6w43yz/1b8e5b3b39700d6cde092287718ec514.jpg)
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Speer 124gr Speer Gold Dot GDHP +p
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: 1220 fps
Muzzle Energy: 410 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Speer 13 +p – Nickel
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.5700"/Dia. 0.3555": Speer 124gr. GDHP
HP depth 0.1225 / cavity tapered / HP mouth 0.2215"
Actual weight 124.3grains (concave base) (black sealer)
C.O.A.L.: 1.124"
Primer: Nickel color - clear primer sealant
Case: Diameter 0.3880" Crimp Diameter 0.3770" Length 0.748"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: ? AA#5/silhouette? 6.7 grains */**
* (fine irregular flatten ball) **(some sealant is present when weighing charge)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/8q48c6uuj/b0d820cd3b55c48c96ffcb0fff10d05c.jpg)
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Andy these were readdressed using postimage
Pulled another Speer gold dot 124gr +p and got a measurement without the sealant. Still the same at 6.7gr. Accurate arms/ramshot shows +p loadings with a OAL of 1.105" and silhouette for 6.0gr and AA#5 at 6.3gr. so with the increased cartridge length I'm thinking AA#5. As with silhouette we've seen quite a few pulldowns use 6.8gr silhouette for +p+ loadings?
What's your thoughts?
I was shocked to see a ball powder inside the case, I would of put money on seeing BE-86. I know from experience using a 6.3gr charge with a 124gr gold dot I get 1240+fps from my glock 19. I tested these in my shield and had less case expansion than the factory stuff!
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Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Tulammo 115gr FMJ Silver Bullet (provided by Intercooler 11/20/16)
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: 1150 fps
Muzzle Energy: 338 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Tulammo – Steel
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.6170"/Dia. 0.3550": 115 gr. FMJ
Actual weight 115.0 grains (exposed lead base)(steel jacket) Crimp line 0.3545"
C.O.A.L.: 1.1625"
Primer: Brass color (Berdan)
Case: Diameter 0.3880" Crimp Diameter 0.3760" Length 0.7490"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: ? Vihtavuori N340? 5.0 grains *
*Possible powders N340 (irregular short cut rod)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/k23yreht9/IMG_0061_zpssdznkktx.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/ltwxmb8vx/IMG_0062_zps79btynqu.jpg)
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(https://s20.postimg.cc/edxo0j0m3/IMG_0064_zpsyubat9m9.jpg)
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: RWS 85gr NTF(Non-Toxic Frangible) Copper Matrix CM9 (provided by Intercooler 11/20/16)
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: 1426 fps
Muzzle Energy: 452 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: RWS – Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.6720"/Dia. 0.3555": 85 gr. NTF
Actual weight 85.4 grains (Copper Matrix)(Non-Toxic Frangible) Crimp line NA
C.O.A.L.: 1.1310"
Primer: Small Pistol Nickel Color
Case: Diameter 0.3875" Crimp Diameter 0.3790" Length 0.7475"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: ? Ramshot Silhouette? 6.4 grains * (fine flatten ball)
Copper Matrix NTF Bullets contain no toxic heavy metals such as lead. Frangible bullet construction immediately disintegrates into small fragments upon striking a hard steel surface. Back splatter is eliminated. Ricochet potential is significantly reduced. Copper Matrix NTF ammunition functions reliably with duty weapons without modification.
Ruag Ammotec Usa Inc.
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Quote from: The_Shadow on November 20 2016 01:32:17 PM MST
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Tulammo 115gr FMJ Silver Bullet (provided by Intercooler 11/20/16)
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: 1150 fps
Muzzle Energy: 338 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Tulammo – Steel
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.6170"/Dia. 0.3550": 115 gr. FMJ
Actual weight 115.0 grains (exposed lead base)(steel jacket) Crimp line 0.3545"
C.O.A.L.: 1.1625"
Primer: Brass color (Berdan)
Case: Diameter 0.3880" Crimp Diameter 0.3760" Length 0.7490"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: ? Vihtavuori N340? 5.0 grains *
*Possible powders N340 (irregular short cut rod)
Less powder and different powder than the old Gold bullet version. Interesting!
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Winchester USA Forged Steel Cased 115gr FMJ (provided by Intercooler 11/20/16)
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: 1190 fps
Muzzle Energy: 365 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: WIN Winchester – Steel
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.5935"/Dia. 0.3545": 115 gr. FMJ
Actual weight 115.4 grains (exposed lead base)(concave base) Crimp line 0.3535"
C.O.A.L.: 1.1590"
Primer: Small Pistol Brass color
Case: Diameter 0.3890" Crimp Diameter 0.3760" Length 0.7455"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: ? AutoComp ? 5.2 grains *
* could be a special derivative of AutoComp (flatten ball)
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(https://s20.postimg.cc/bawxx6vy5/IMG_0070_zpsli8osjaq.jpg)
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Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: PMC 9A 115gr FMJ (provided by Intercooler 11/20/16)
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: 1150 fps
Muzzle Energy: 338 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: PMC – Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.5930"/Dia. 0.3550": 115gr. FMJ
Actual weight 115.4 grains (exposed lead base)(concave base)(black sealant) Crimp line NA
C.O.A.L.: 1.1560"
Primer: Small Pistol Brass color
Case: Diameter 0.3865" Crimp Diameter 0.3775" Length 0.7500"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: ? ? 4.0 grains *
*(very fine flatten ball silvery color) (powder is similar to TightGroup but more energetic)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/6cno7d84d/IMG_0073_zps533mty3c.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/cdld4g2gd/IMG_0074_zpsnhi1si7d.jpg)
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Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Browning Performance Target PBT 115gr FMJ (provided by Intercooler 11/20/16)
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: 1190 fps
Muzzle Energy: 365 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Browning BuckMark – Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.5870"/Dia. 0.3545": 115gr. FMJ
Actual weight 114.6 grains (exposed lead base)(concave base) Crimp line 0.3505"
C.O.A.L.: 1.1620"
Primer: Small Pistol Brass color
Case: Diameter 0.3860" Crimp Diameter 0.3745" Length 0.7475"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: AutoComp 5.4 grains *
*(fine flatten ball silvery color) Designed to match the BXP Personal Defense
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(https://s20.postimg.cc/fylu0y6j1/IMG_0080_zpsmctxxlmg.jpg)
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Federal HST 150gr HST HP (supplied by Intercooler 11/20/16)
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: 900 fps
Muzzle Energy: 270 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Federal Cartridge – Nickel
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.6920"/Dia. 0.3545": FED 150gr. HST
HP depth 0.1650" / HP dia 0.1830" (tapered) / HP mouth 0.2260" Six long segments
Actual weight 149.6 grains (flat base) (Cannelure) (black sealer)
C.O.A.L.: 1.1185"
Primer: Small Pistol Nickel color
Case: Diameter 0.3855" Crimp Diameter 0.3775" Length 0.7470"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: AutoComp 4.0 grains
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Wow! I had to register just to thank you for this wealth of information! Tons of good info in this thread! Most notably the muzzle velocities, bullet lengths, and the cartridge overall lengths. Really helpful when doing your own load development and need to compare seating depths with published load data and your particular components.
Thanks again!
Cheers,
Toby
Welcome to the forum tdogg! Best regards!
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Winchester USA Forged 115gr FMJ Steel (Provided by Intercooler Nov 2017)
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: 1190 fps
Muzzle Energy: 365 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Winchester WIN – Steel
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.5955"/Dia. 0.3535": 115 gr. FMJ
Actual weight 115.6 grains (concaved exposed lead base) Crimp line 0.3520"
C.O.A.L.: 1.1610"
Primer: Small Pistol - Brass color - boxer
Case: Diameter 0.3890" Crimp Diameter 0.3740" Length 0.7480"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: ? Proprietary ? 5.2 grains *
* (flatten ball could be AutoComp)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/qy7qbptb1/IMG_0209.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.cc/xbwtf85zh/IMG_0210.jpg)
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Ahhhh... new ones arrived!
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: GBW Cartridge Legend Pro CHP 115gr SCHP
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: 1150 fps
Muzzle Energy: 338 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: JAG – Nickel +P
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.6860"/Dia. 0.3550": CHP 115 gr.
HP depth 0.2260" / HP dia 0.1740"
Actual weight 114.2 / 114.4 grains (slight concave base) Crimp line 0.3535"
C.O.A.L.: 1.1295" / 1.1300"
Primer: Small Pistol Nickel color - boxer
Case: Diameter 0.3865" Crimp Diameter 0.3750"/03760" Length 0.7500"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: Bullseye 4.2 / 4.2 grains *
(fine flake)
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I think that's the first with Bullseye so far. It looks kind of like Power Pistol?
Yes except the flakes are a little smaller and thinner for Bullseye and it is a faster burning powder than Power pistol...
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Brotherhood Munitions 115gr FMJ (reman) (two distinctly different loadings here)
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: 1100 fps
Muzzle Energy: 310 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: CBC & FC – Brass (cases very clean inside)
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.5555" / 0.5565"
Dia. 0.3655" / 0.3550": 115 gr. FMJ
Actual weight 115.0 grains) Crimp line 0.3525" / 0.3510"
C.O.A.L.: 1.1530" / 1.1530"
Primer: Small Pistol primer Brass & Nickel color
Case: Diameter 0.360" / 0.3880" Crimp Diameter 0.3775" / 0.3740" Length 0.7480"
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CBC brass Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: Silhouette 6.4 grains
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Federal brass Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight:W231 HP38 4.6 grains
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Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Buffalo Bore 147 gr +P Hard Cast
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: 1100 fps
Muzzle Energy: 395 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: JAG – Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.6345"/Dia. 0.3565": Hard Cast 147 gr.
Actual weight 150.4 / 150.0 grains (flat base) Crimp line 0.3555" (red lube)
MEPLAT: 0.2300"
C.O.A.L.: 1.0730" / 1.0730"
Primer: Small Pistol primer Brass color
Case: Diameter 0.3865" Crimp Diameter 0.3780" Length 0.7500"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: AutoComp 4.6 / 4.6 grains
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The Brotherhood ammo gave pretty stable readings. I guess the two loadings make them similar over the Chronograph and I need to figure which one to put in the list (unless both will fit).
I had a feeling the Buffalo Bore would be more AutoComp.
When it comes to top end loadings, do you see any reason why AutoComp is used versus Long Shot? Supposedly Long Shot is a popular one for upper end 9mm.
Any idea on the Meplat for the sheet?
Added the MEPLAT: 0.2300" :-[
Thanks for the reminder... :D
WOW thanks Shadow....was just needing info on the 147 plusP and 124 standard in HST loaded ammo!
Federal HST 124gr +P HST HP purchased in 2017
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: 1200 fps
Muzzle Energy: 396 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Federal Cartridge – Nickel +P
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.5995"/Dia. 0.3545": FED 124gr. HST
HP depth 0.1250" / HP dia (tapered) / HP mouth 0.2085" Six long segments
Actual weight 123.9 grains (flat base) (Cannelure)
C.O.A.L.: 1.1030"
Primer: Nickel color
Case: Diameter 0.3850" Crimp Diameter 0.3760" Length 0.7470"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: 6.2gr BE-86*
* Off white flakes noticable in powder
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Looks great Pctechdude. Thanks! Appears to have the black sealer typical of Speer, CCI and Federal LE ammo.
I show in my notes that I did one of these and it had AutoComp powder http://10mm-firearms.com/factory-ammo-pull-downs/underwood-9mm-115gr-speer-gold-dot-jhp/msg20415/#msg20415 (http://10mm-firearms.com/factory-ammo-pull-downs/underwood-9mm-115gr-speer-gold-dot-jhp/msg20415/#msg20415)
Quote from: The_Shadow on June 11 2018 08:53:53 PM MDT
Looks great Pctechdude. Thanks! Appears to have the black sealer typical of Speer, CCI and Federal LE ammo.
I show in my notes that I did one of these and it had AutoComp powder http://10mm-firearms.com/factory-ammo-pull-downs/underwood-9mm-115gr-speer-gold-dot-jhp/msg20415/#msg20415 (http://10mm-firearms.com/factory-ammo-pull-downs/underwood-9mm-115gr-speer-gold-dot-jhp/msg20415/#msg20415)
Shadow, that's why I tore two of these down just to see if they were the same. They indeed did have the black sealer, however not as much as the Speer 124gr +p I posted a while back. Those had a lot.
It's nice knowing the powder charges and which powders were in these, as I have at least 500 to 750 pulled 124 HST's. I may have to finally load them up for dispatch purposes :-)
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Quote from: The_Shadow on June 11 2018 08:53:53 PM MDT
Looks great Pctechdude. Thanks! Appears to have the black sealer typical of Speer, CCI and Federal LE ammo.
I show in my notes that I did one of these and it had AutoComp powder http://10mm-firearms.com/factory-ammo-pull-downs/underwood-9mm-115gr-speer-gold-dot-jhp/msg20415/#msg20415 (http://10mm-firearms.com/factory-ammo-pull-downs/underwood-9mm-115gr-speer-gold-dot-jhp/msg20415/#msg20415)
I also wonder which powder gives more consistent velocities?
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It is hard to say but the BE-86 would likely do well with the flash retardant. I matched the UW 124 grain with AutoComp in his +P+ and it was dead on exact in the test... :D
Quote from: The_Shadow on June 12 2018 07:15:31 PM MDT
It is hard to say but the BE-86 would likely do well with the flash retardant. I matched the UW 124 grain with AutoComp in his +P+ and it was dead on exact in the test... :D
Well today I ran an unscientific test lol, 5 factory 124 great HST +p and 3 of my own assembled 124 HST with be-86.
Factory HST
S&W M&P Shield 3.1" barrel
1143
1146
1155
1155
1140
To be honest I was shocked at the velocity for sub compact gun.
Handloaded HST
S&W M&P Shield 3.1" Barrel
1144
1157
1157
Ironically I have some 124gr gold dots loaded with 6.3gr be-86. Loaded to 1.120. in the shield it would bulge my brass where it was unsupported. I went and loaded some at 6.3gr again but seated them to the same depth as the HST @ 1.103 and not a single smile on my brass. I'm assuming that the longer cartridge was increasing the pressure due to shorter jump to the rifling?
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Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Federal HST +P 147gr HST HP
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: 1050 fps
Muzzle Energy: 394 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Federal Cartridge – Nickel +P
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.6865"/Dia. 0.3545": FED 147gr. HST
HP depth 0.1160" / HP dia (tapered) / HP mouth 0.2060" Six long segments
Actual weight 147.5, 147.6, and 148.2 grains (flat base) (Cannelure) (black sealer)
C.O.A.L.: 1.1260"
Primer: Small Pistol Nickel color
Case: Diameter 0.3850" Crimp Diameter 0.3775" Length 0.7470"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: ? BE-86 5.5gr*
Off white flakes in mix*
*Three cartridges pulled, 2 at 5.5gr and 1 at 5.6gr*
I'm including lot number for reference in case someone pulls them down again and finds something different again. Shadow pulled down some with AA#5* previously.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180618/87cf071674d6d26a982f34dab5209a00.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180618/de283e39a8a953c1f4fc47d5b97164ae.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180618/8438e2b147e1a61efd9be87cc5bc9727.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180618/a059d4a58d660f72465675f41d1043a6.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180618/95027228c8bc1e8276039a2dc9fb0309.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180618/45d3c0cc178ee1a3d12186d77ddf6b34.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180618/e98cb93a06ea177a9b994d20cfdce3c1.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180618/f17a1eceac00afb26871e3d2ac8c1d65.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180618/a7f654e6249b9d64c0bcdabea24f57ff.jpg)
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Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Metallwerk Elisenhütte GmbH NATO 124gr FMJ IC 8/18
Ballistics Information: 9mm / 9x19
Muzzle Velocity: 1213 fps
Muzzle Energy: 425 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: MEN – 17 Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.6090"/Dia. 0.3540": 124 gr. FMJ
Actual weight 123.6 grains (exposed lead flat base) Crimp line 0.3540" black sealer
C.O.A.L.: 1.1565"
Primer: Small Pistol brass color Red primer sealer
Case: Diameter 0.3885" Crimp Diameter 0.3785" Length 0.7480"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: ? Proprietary ? 6.2 grains *
*( powder is similar to LOVEX D036)
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Metallwerk Elisenhütte GmbH
MEN ammo is manufactured in Nassau, Germany to NATO specs and is imported by Magtech, its sister company. While not as well known in the US, MEN has a reputation for very high-level quality in Europe. MEN primarily focuses on military and law enforcement but occasionally small batches are brought to the US.
This ammo is brass-cased, boxer-primed, and reloadable. MEN stands for "Metallwerk Elisenhuette GmbH" and is part of the CBC (Magtech, Sellier & Bellot, and MEN) group.
LOVEX D036 5.7gr @ 1115 fps
LOVEX D036 6.3gr @ 1246 fps 33600psi
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Field & Stream 115gr FMJ IC 8_18
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: 1122 fps
Muzzle Energy: 321 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: MAXX TECH – Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.5600"/Dia. 0.3545": 115 gr. FMJ Bronze
Actual weight 116.0 grains (exposed lead concave base) Crimp line 0.3510"
C.O.A.L.: 1.1160"
Primer: Small Pistol Brass color
Case: Diameter 0.3845" Crimp Diameter 0.3780" Length 0.7480"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: ? * ? 4.6 grains
*Square cut flake powder CSB PSB5, VihtaVuori N3SL, VihtaVuori N3SH
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Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Remington UMC 115 gr FMJ L9mm3 IC 8-18
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: 1135 fps
Muzzle Energy: 329 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Remington RP – Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.5575"/Dia. 0.3550": 115 gr. FMJ
Actual weight 114.8 grains (exposed lead flat base) Crimp line 0.3550"
C.O.A.L.: 1.1130"
Primer: Small Pistol Brass color
Case: Diameter 0.3870" Crimp Diameter 0.3765" Length 0.7485"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: AutoComp 5.4 grains
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Purchased the 124gr bonded jhp +p+ from underwood received a 147gr variant. These differ slightly from the original that was posted some time ago. Seems powder and overall length has changed. I contacted Underwood ammo and did notify them these were not what I ordered. Received a call from Kevin personally and was told I would be given a new box. He did confirm it is not autocomp in these when I asked lol ;D
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Underwood 147gr bonded jhp +P+
Ballistics Information: 9mm +P+
Muzzle Velocity: 1175 fps
Muzzle Energy: 451 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Underwood - Nickel
HP depth 0.2075" / HP dia. 0.1260" / mouth 0.2135"
Actual weight 147.0 grains
C.O.A.L.: 1.116"
Primer: Nickel color
Case: Diameter 0.3875" Crimp Diameter 0.3770" Length 0.7480"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: ? 5.5gr - 5.6gr was fluctuating
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Pctechdude, Good catch on that being the wrong bullets and seating depth being different too...
The 147 gr GD pull-down info which pretty much matches the powder charge exactly, could just be a different powder lot #.
Being the wrong bullet the C.A.O.L. may also be problematic as seated too deep. The ballistic data on the box suggest that it is for the 124 grain bullet
12/2013 Pull down
Underwood 9mm 147gr Speer Gold Dot JHP +P+
Ballistics Information: 9mm +P+
Muzzle Velocity: 1250 fps
Muzzle Energy: 509 ft. lbs
Pictures: Before/After disassembly:
Brass Make/Headstamp: Speer - Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.6590"/Dia. 0.3555": Speer Gold Dot 147gr. JHP
HP depth 0.2075" / HP dia. 0.1260" / mouth 0.2135"
Actual weight 147.0 grains
C.O.A.L.: 1.1370"
Primer: Brass color
Case: Diameter 0.3875" Crimp Diameter 0.3770" Length 0.7480"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: ? AutoComp ? 5.6 grains
Pictures of AutoComp powder
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My own batch of AutoComp
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Shadow thank you, Whats funny is according to their website, the 147 grain load was out of stock :o The tips of the bullets are a little mashed down, so I'm not exactly sure. I did receive the 124's that I initially ordered so I will post those too.
Pctechdude, With those 147 grain you might want to adjust the cartridge overall length to 1.1370" - 1.1400", it looks like you have the tools to do so. That should help pressures stay where they should be.
I'll be looking for you post of the 124 grains to see what you find in those. We may see the same or different, so my interest is peaked!
Thanks!
Received the correct ammunition from underwood yesterday, here are the results. Also including unfired and fired case from my M&P Full size 9mm and empty case weight and case holding water.
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Underwood 124gr bonded jhp +P+
Ballistics Information: 9mm +P+
Muzzle Velocity: 1300 fps
Muzzle Energy: 465 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Underwood - Nickel
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.5700"/Dia. 0.3555": Speer 124gr. GDHP
HP depth 0.1225 / cavity tapered / HP mouth 0.2215"
Actual weight 123.3grains
C.O.A.L.: 1.113"
Primer: Nickel color
Case: Diameter 0.3875" Crimp Diameter 0.3770" Length 0.7480"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: Autocomp? 6.3gr
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(https://i.ibb.co/VxzTh1j/9.jpg) (https://ibb.co/2SCdL9n)
(https://i.ibb.co/KyJKG00/10.jpg) (https://ibb.co/vzSXBww)
(https://i.ibb.co/vmgzNHs/11.jpg) (https://ibb.co/J20kYKx)
(https://i.ibb.co/rfJWb46/12.jpg) (https://ibb.co/93jMwsT)
Quote from: The_Shadow on April 05 2019 09:24:05 AM MDT
Pctechdude, With those 147 grain you might want to adjust the cartridge overall length to 1.1370" - 1.1400", it looks like you have the tools to do so. That should help pressures stay where they should be.
I'll be looking for you post of the 124 grains to see what you find in those. We may see the same or different, so my interest is peaked!
Thanks!
If the brass is like the 124gr +p+ and is holding 14.2 gr of h2o they may be seating deeper to get the same results? But I can definitely adjust these that's for sure lol!
Running it in quickload with the numbers just as a rough simulation and using the Alliant Herco profile which tracks almost identical to autocomp, 5.6gr, 14.2gr h2o and 1.116" C.O.A.L nets 43804k psi and 1146 fps.
Even utilizing 13.8gr which is an average of starline cases with 6.4gr herco profile, 124gr gold dot and the seating depth of 1.113" I get 1291 fps and 42682 psi. This calculation has been almost spot on for me and load development working with autocomp.
The new 124 grain seems to match up to the previous 124 grain pull down as well although they were Nosler Bullets.
Quote from: The_Shadow on April 05 2019 09:03:52 PM MDT
The new 124 grain seems to match up to the previous 124 grain pull down as well although they were Nosler Bullets.
That was my thought too. I'll get some chronograph data hopefully tomorrow when I'm at the range [emoji16]
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Really disappointed in the results of both the loads. I fired 3 of each, 124gr +p+ and the 147gr +p+.
M&P 9mm FS 4.25" barrel.
124gr +p+
1223fps
1221fps
1222fps
The velocities were close but not close to advertised. Must be why I didn't see much case expansion.
The 147gr +p+ was just as bad, was able to record 2 shots, 3rd showed error. I reluctantly fired them as they were shipped. No adjusting of the overall length.
However the 3 test rounds I made to duplicate these were right in line with the factory stuff. So that is a positive in saying that it is autocomp.
147gr +p+
1099 fps
1106 fps
1102 avg(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190406/e17432c1dae26a2e977a297a0f2a86a7.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190406/13e1d30553ab1b475b8f6b05e2aafaca.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190406/971a155dd6a5fc107d16779d78ba20fa.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190406/31b1599814ad572d12cf70d34c85d22c.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190406/3d9f7109038217ab63bed23af455d1e2.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190406/ca603945d0c964150379f888a0880a60.jpg)
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Intercooler tested the +P+ in various weights and even the one I sent him which was a 121 grain ZERO 0.356" bullet
His 1/2" longer barrel would not have made that much difference... I have to wonder if these newer loads had standard primer and the older a magnum primer? ???
QuoteAugust 23, 2013
Underwood 115gr +P+ Speer Gold Dot Limited 4.75": 1469, 1473, 1473. Average = 1471.66 FPS/ 553 LBS
February 22, 2014 Test Underwood 115gr +P+ Gold Dot EAA Limited 4.75" 1493 FPS/ 569 LBS
Underwood 115gr Gold Dot +P+ Hunter 6": 1540, 1565, 1532, 1519, 1527, 1530. Average = 1535.5 FPS/ 602 LBS.
About a 65 FPS increase over the 4.75" Limited barrel. I guess if you have a 4.5" -4.75" barrel you are getting about all you can out of 9mm rounds.
November 30, 2013
Underwood 124gr +P+ Nosler EAA Elite Limited 4.75" 1366, 1385, 1369, 1397, 1370, 1381, 1380. Average = 1387 FPS/ 530 LBS
February 22, 2014 Test Underwood 124gr +P+ Nosler Eaa Limited 4.75" 1397 FPS/ 537 LBS
Underwood 147gr +P+ Gold Dot EAA (Limited 4.75") 1265, 1271, 1244, 1268, 1261. Average = 1261.8 FPS/ 520 LBS
February 22, 2014
Shadow's 121gr Zero +P+ Auto Comp 6.4gr's (Underwood 124gr load)... wait for it.....
EAA Limited 4.75" 1376 FPS/ 521 LBS
Quote from: The_Shadow on April 06 2019 08:05:38 PM MDT
Intercooler tested the +P+ in various weights and even the one I sent him which was a 121 grain ZERO 0.356" bullet
His 1/2" longer barrel would not have made that much difference... I have to wonder if these newer loads had standard primer and the older a magnum primer? ???
QuoteAugust 23, 2013
Underwood 115gr +P+ Speer Gold Dot Limited 4.75": 1469, 1473, 1473. Average = 1471.66 FPS/ 553 LBS
February 22, 2014 Test Underwood 115gr +P+ Gold Dot EAA Limited 4.75" 1493 FPS/ 569 LBS
Underwood 115gr Gold Dot +P+ Hunter 6": 1540, 1565, 1532, 1519, 1527, 1530. Average = 1535.5 FPS/ 602 LBS.
About a 65 FPS increase over the 4.75" Limited barrel. I guess if you have a 4.5" -4.75" barrel you are getting about all you can out of 9mm rounds.
November 30, 2013
Underwood 124gr +P+ Nosler EAA Elite Limited 4.75" 1366, 1385, 1369, 1397, 1370, 1381, 1380. Average = 1387 FPS/ 530 LBS
February 22, 2014 Test Underwood 124gr +P+ Nosler Eaa Limited 4.75" 1397 FPS/ 537 LBS
Underwood 147gr +P+ Gold Dot EAA (Limited 4.75") 1265, 1271, 1244, 1268, 1261. Average = 1261.8 FPS/ 520 LBS
February 22, 2014
Shadow's 121gr Zero +P+ Auto Comp 6.4gr's (Underwood 124gr load)... wait for it.....
EAA Limited 4.75" 1376 FPS/ 521 LBS
Im Not sure, I know previously, I tested some 124's after speaking with you Shadow and formulating some idea's around overall length and 6.4gr of Autocomp, using the gold dot bullet. Those all chronographed out at 1300 ± a few fps. That was with a standard primer. Looking at the data from the previous 147gr +p+ those were with a brass colored primer. These were nickel plated primers in these cases.
Looks like I may have to test some of these theories, now to procure some small pistol magnums, or even try small rifle?
Hopefully I can get out Friday, got my order of the Speer 124gr bullets and some starline nickel plated brass today.
I loaded 18 rounds, 6.4gr Autocomp, C.O.A.L. 1.113" just like the Underwood ones. Only difference is I used a Winchester primer.
Once I test these, I'll post the results. Hopefully they fare better than the ones I bought.
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So was able to get out and test some of the 124gr +p+ rounds yesterday. Unfortunately, my old chronograph stopped working and had to order a new one. Really liking the pro Chrono over my old shooting chrony.
124gr Speer gold dot
starline nickel plated brass
Winchester small pistol primer
6.4gr Autocomp
1.113" overall length
I did drop these on my uniflow powder dispenser and not electronic powder dispenser.
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Very nice interesting results! 8)
agreed! I'm thinking if I use the electronic powder dispenser it would of been a lot closer. I may retest the 147gr +p+ underwood with the new chronograph this weekend just to see if any discrepancies show up. I also loaded up some 147gr gold dots on top of 6.9gr 3n38. I want to see what velocity i get with that :D
Quote from: The_Shadow on April 22 2019 10:37:29 PM MDT
Very nice interesting results! 8)
Finally was able to get out and do some chronograph testing on some of the duplicated Underwood loads.
I utilized just for fun some, pulled hydra-shok bullets I had laying around. I dropped the powder charge by .2 grains. I think this could be a pretty good load for the old hydra-shok, especially since federal has released these as a component bullet. I will work up to the full charge and see what happens in the near future.
In previous testing I posted about the 147gr +p+ load giving me lower than advertised velocity. They have been historically short by about 100fps.
This time I used blazer brass compared to the standard starline i traditionally used. I did get some higher velocities compared to before. I have a feeling that case capacity plays a big part in this load. The factory Underwood loads I have measured at 13.8 and 13.9gr H2O case capacity. Starline was 14gr H2O. Blazer was 13.5gr H2O. I believe the velocities would have been higher if I used the same overall length of 1.116" as the factory underwoods I have on hand.
I also loaded and tested the 115gr +p+ load, I added a little margin of safety by setting the overall length to 1.070" compared to the factory 1.058". Velocities were close to the advertised 1400fps. All shots were fired from my M&P 9mm FS 4.25" Barrel. 75 degrees Fahrenheit Morral, Ohio
124gr Hydra Shok +p+
6.2gr Autocomp
1.117" COAL
CCI Small Pistol Primer
Winchester Brass
1269
1243
1255
1249
115gr Gold Dot +p+
7.0gr Autocomp
1.070" COAL
Winchester Brass
CCI Small Pistol Primer
1384
1388
1382
1388
147gr Gold Dot +p+
5.6gr Autocomp
1.127" COAL
Blazer Brass
Winchester Small Pistol Primer
1122
1122
1128
1128
Glad to see your testing results about the UW duplicating with the AutoComp powder... Very nice and respectable results!
Thanks guys
Quote from: The_Shadow on June 22 2019 07:26:24 PM MDT
Glad to see your testing results about the UW duplicating with the AutoComp powder... Very nice and respectable results!
Indeed, I want to get some more ballistic gel and test the Hydra shok bullets. Work them up as close as possible to 1300fps and test them through bare and denim covered gel.
I'm just interested as to what they can do if the velocity is cranked up compared to the anemic velocity federal loaded them to. Even the +p+ federal 124gr was only 1200fps.
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Will be hanging on to you next testing Pctechdude... :D
Ill be posting the pictures of the velocity and a recovered Hydra shok. It was informal and I used water today, but I'll give a hint, I haven't ever seen a Hydra shok blow apart.
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So as I reported earlier, I chronographed the Hydra shok +p+ using a similar charge of autocomp as per the Underwood 124gr gold dot +p+.
I used 6.3gr of autocomp, I backed down
.1gr just for sale of a jacketed versus a plated bullet. Overall length of 1.116", federal brass and federal small pistol primers.
Shots were fired from my M&P 4.25" full size.
I didn't get a chance to test these in gel, as I didn't have the time to make a block. So these results represent maximum upset.
Tested using 4 one gallon jugs of water. Penetrated to the third jug, bullet and jacket separated inside the third jug. All fragments were recovered from the second jug.
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Thanks for the report, those are not a bonded bullet but hey water is hard on bullets... :o
Nice work Pctechdude, Thanks for your efforts!
Ken
Yeah the water definitely tore it up shadow. But hey since federal released those as components, figured why not.
Kenk, welcome! Definitely fun and enjoyable to see what we can get out of the 9mm.
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How would you guys feel shooting the UW +P+ ammo thru the smaller pistols ie: Springfield Armory HellCat and SigSauer P365?
Quote from: Popapi on June 30 2020 08:43:10 AM MDT
How would you guys feel shooting the UW +P+ ammo thru the smaller pistols ie: Springfield Armory HellCat and SigSauer P365?
And have you guys done the +P UW 124s and 147s tear downs.
Well, the P365 is rated for +P ammo, just not sure how the experience or accuracy would be 😀
Quote from: Popapi on June 30 2020 08:43:10 AM MDT
How would you guys feel shooting the UW +P+ ammo thru the smaller pistols ie: Springfield Armory HellCat and SigSauer P365?
I've shot some through my Glock 43. I wouldn't have any issues with it in that gun. Shield would be a no. I've see some gnarly brass in the shields from +p loads. Looks like the old Glock 40s&w brass. A pretty substantial bulge. I haven't fired a p365 or hellcat so I cannot speaks on those
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Quote from: Pctechdude on June 30 2020 10:18:48 AM MDT
Quote from: Popapi on June 30 2020 08:43:10 AM MDT
How would you guys feel shooting the UW +P+ ammo thru the smaller pistols ie: Springfield Armory HellCat and SigSauer P365?
I've shot some through my Glock 43. I wouldn't have any issues with it in that gun. Shield would be a no. I've see some gnarly brass in the shields from +p loads. Looks like the old Glock 40s&w brass. A pretty substantial bulge. I haven't fired a p365 or hellcat so I cannot speaks on those
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Thanks a bunch sir!
Quote from: Kenk on June 30 2020 10:15:28 AM MDT
Well, the P365 is rated for +P ammo, just not sure how the experience or accuracy would be 😀
Will be shooting some simulated +p loaded ammo through the 365 today!
Quote from: Popapi on July 03 2020 07:33:02 AM MDT
Quote from: Kenk on June 30 2020 10:15:28 AM MDT
Well, the P365 is rated for +P ammo, just not sure how the experience or accuracy would be 😀
Will be shooting some simulated +p loaded ammo through the 365 today!
what bullet powder combo are you running?
Quote from: Pctechdude on July 03 2020 07:43:13 AM MDT
Quote from: Popapi on July 03 2020 07:33:02 AM MDT
Quote from: Kenk on June 30 2020 10:15:28 AM MDT
Well, the P365 is rated for +P ammo, just not sure how the experience or accuracy would be [emoji3]
Will be shooting some simulated +p loaded ammo through the 365 today!
what bullet powder combo are you running?
So here's a little test, the Underwood 124gr +p+ through the Glock 43, and two sig v-crown 200gr +p's. Starline brass, 9.2gr silhouette. 1067 and 1054 fps. This load was from Sierra's 45acp +p manual.
Clear ballistics gel, 9mm 124gr +p+ penetrated 13.3"
45acp v-crown +p penetrated 12.75"
Will have official measurements when I get home on max expansion.
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Nice expansion on the V Crown's
Quote from: Kenk on July 05 2020 02:09:24 PM MDT
Nice expansion on the V Crown's
I was shocked the 9mm version isn't a big expander. I definitely didn't see this coming. I know with the factory offering they're a little anemic on velocity for a 200gr.
The Sierra manual says 9.2gr is supposed to be 1120fps from a 5in barrel. I was shooting an M&P 4.5in. So probably around 1075-1100fps from a good 5 inch tube.
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Here's the final numbers on the max and average expansion. I opted to fire a factory 124+p gold dot for comparison to the Underwood +p+ loading.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200706/1abbe65c73cbab98a7d182c3fe423de4.jpg)
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Quote from: Pctechdude on July 03 2020 07:43:13 AM MDT
Quote from: Popapi on July 03 2020 07:33:02 AM MDT
Quote from: Kenk on June 30 2020 10:15:28 AM MDT
Well, the P365 is rated for +P ammo, just not sure how the experience or accuracy would be 😀
Will be shooting some simulated +p loaded ammo through the 365 today!
what bullet powder combo are you running?
Xtp 124 with 6.4 grns of BE86
Quote from: Pctechdude on July 05 2020 08:11:31 PM MDT
Here's the final numbers on the max and average expansion. I opted to fire a factory 124+p gold dot for comparison to the Underwood +p+ loading.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200706/1abbe65c73cbab98a7d182c3fe423de4.jpg)
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Tech you have the pulldown information on the UW 124+p good dot?
not on the +p version. But that is fairly easy to obtain. I run either 6.1gr of autocomp for around 1230fps starline brass 1.113" col, from my m&p 9mm 4.25" or 6.4gr BE-86 for ~1240fps 1.120" col starline brass. federal or cci small pistol primer.
Quote from: Pctechdude on July 08 2020 02:12:55 PM MDT
not on the +p version. But that is fairly easy to obtain. I run either 6.1gr of autocomp for around 1230fps starline brass 1.113" col, from my m&p 9mm 4.25" or 6.4gr BE-86 for ~1240fps 1.120" col starline brass. federal or cci small pistol primer.
Copy that! Thanks so much!