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Firearms => 10mm semi-auto handguns => Topic started by: Canoe on September 03 2017 04:46:24 PM MDT

Title: Current consensus on EAA 10mms?
Post by: Canoe on September 03 2017 04:46:24 PM MDT
Hi there - I'm a bit of a 10mm fans and just stubbled on this site.  Great resource.

I've been doing a little research on EAAs and seems some of the earlier (maybe lower-end?) models had longevity issues. 

I'm interested in either the Hunter or Limited.  Looking at some of the post here, seems like there are lots of fans of the Hunter model.  Would the same positive views hold for the Limited as well?  Are there any reports of issues with these models or warnings (i.e. need to avoid full power ammo)?

thanks


Title: Re: Current consensus on EAA 10mms?
Post by: Intercooler on September 03 2017 05:38:07 PM MDT
   Just about all of them do fine in 10mm except maybe the short barrel version (3.6"). Now if you go from the Match on up they are absolutely stellar! I have a couple of Limiteds and a Hunter... 100% and a rip to shoot!
Title: Re: Current consensus on EAA 10mms?
Post by: Canoe on September 03 2017 05:47:35 PM MDT
Thanks Intercooler.  Curious - which one do you prefer - the Hunter or Limited?  I'm on the fence.  It would just be a range toy.
Title: Re: Current consensus on EAA 10mms?
Post by: Intercooler on September 03 2017 06:13:13 PM MDT
  The Hunter is the tank of the entire line and will be the softest shooting. That 6" barrel really wrings out what the 10mm can offer as well. Now the Limited will have a tad more kick and might be more fun to you. I know when I personally shoot both using hot ammo, more rounds can be ran through the Hunter without any fatigue. I love both though and you might also want to look at the Limited Pro which comes in a tad cheaper than both.
Title: Re: Current consensus on EAA 10mms?
Post by: sqlbullet on September 04 2017 01:41:34 AM MDT
First, some background on EAA.

In the early days of IPSC shooting, the holy grail was the 1911 in 45 ACP.  You could shoot 9mm, and high capacity magazines made them attractive, but since 9mm was a "minor" power factor, any non-A zone shot was double the penalty.

So, the quest for a gun that could handle 9mm loaded to "major" was underway.  And the Tanfoglio guns were found to be hella strong and were a favorite as a result.  This is the reason the EAA catalog for Tanfoglio has so many "race" style guns...They were very much an early favorite.

I mention this because we often hear that these guns aren't strong enough, but they are actually extremely strong and well built.  In fact, several years ago I was refinishing my full-size witness and thought I might round off a few sharp corners in the process.  I soon found that my files were not as hard as the frame/slide!

There have been two issues that arose with 10mm Witness guns.  The first was a long, long time ago with frames that cracked.  The issue was traced to a lot of frames that didn't get the right time or temperature in the tempering oven, and were too hard to flex where they needed.  The result was a few cracked frames.

The second issue was a long time ago, around 2008 I think.  This time it was slides that would crack, and again the issue was improper tempering of the castings post harden.

Both of these issues were over-hyped because, to put it bluntly, EAA sucks as customer service.  Instead of just jumping on it and replacing frames or slides, they accused the owners of "abusing" their guns and refused warranty work.  This, more than any actual deficiency in the design, gave the Witness it's reputation with 10mm.

I have two guns, and would gladly add another.  In fact I think I am going to order up a Witness Polymer in the next few months.  And if a Stock I crosses my path at the right time, it will probably follow me home too.  Or a Hunter.   Or both.

I might have a problem.
Title: Re: Current consensus on EAA 10mms?
Post by: Bluefish on September 04 2017 09:25:11 AM MDT
I have a limited pro and it is my favorite 10mm. I think they are the way too go.

  Russ
Title: Re: Current consensus on EAA 10mms?
Post by: Canoe on September 04 2017 09:16:36 PM MDT
Great info.  Thanks gentlemen. 
Title: Re: Current consensus on EAA 10mms?
Post by: bobclevenger on September 13 2017 06:11:32 AM MDT
Quote from: Intercooler on September 03 2017 05:38:07 PM MDT
   Just about all of them do fine in 10mm except maybe the short barrel version (3.6"). Now if you go from the Match on up they are absolutely stellar! I have a couple of Limiteds and a Hunter... 100% and a rip to shoot!

Just a comment that I have had a Witness Compact (3.6" bbl.) for about 20 years now and it has been quite satisfactory. I *have* recently added a DPM "Recoil Reducer" setup to it just to protect the slide and frame from battering with heavy loads.
Title: Re: Current consensus on EAA 10mms?
Post by: Intercooler on September 13 2017 07:12:45 AM MDT
The steel fixed sight version?  What do you have for magazines and what was the recoil setup before?
Title: Re: Current consensus on EAA 10mms?
Post by: Canoe on September 17 2017 10:48:54 AM MDT
Quote from: Intercooler on September 03 2017 06:13:13 PM MDT
  The Hunter is the tank of the entire line and will be the softest shooting. That 6" barrel really wrings out what the 10mm can offer as well. Now the Limited will have a tad more kick and might be more fun to you. I know when I personally shoot both using hot ammo, more rounds can be ran through the Hunter without any fatigue. I love both though and you might also want to look at the Limited Pro which comes in a tad cheaper than both.

So if you had to choose, which would it be?  Hunter or Limited?  I know they are pretty different concepts.  Are the triggers or accuracy potential significantly different? (notwithstanding the sight radius of course but if I mounted an optic that would be moot)  I have a 6" 1911, and Sig 220 and a 1006 so i am not trying to fill a gap, other than just wanting a nice example of an EAA 10mm for range use.

Also, been looking at the recommended upgrade to 10mm EAAs.  Is a coned guide rod (Erik G, Henning, Sprinco, DPM) even available for the Hunter or is that less of an issue than it sounds?  thanks
Title: Re: Current consensus on EAA 10mms?
Post by: Patriot on September 17 2017 10:53:28 AM MDT
Quote from: Canoe on September 17 2017 10:48:54 AM MDT
Quote from: Intercooler on September 03 2017 06:13:13 PM MDT
  The Hunter is the tank of the entire line and will be the softest shooting. That 6" barrel really wrings out what the 10mm can offer as well. Now the Limited will have a tad more kick and might be more fun to you. I know when I personally shoot both using hot ammo, more rounds can be ran through the Hunter without any fatigue. I love both though and you might also want to look at the Limited Pro which comes in a tad cheaper than both.

So if you had to choose, which would it be?  Hunter or Limited?  I know they are pretty different concepts.  Are the triggers or accuracy potential significantly different? (notwithstanding the sight radius of course but if I mounted an optic that would be moot)  I have a 6" 1911, and Sig 220 and a 1006 so i am not trying to fill a gap, other than just wanting a nice example of an EAA 10mm for range use.

Also, been looking at the recommended upgrade to 10mm EAAs.  Is a coned guide rod (Erik G, Henning, Sprinco, DPM) even available for the Hunter or is that less of an issue than it sounds?  thanks

Keep in mind that the Limited and Hunter are both single action. If you prefer a DA/SA trigger, the Stock is the way to go. I had my Hunter converted to DA/SA with some spare parts I had from an old witness standard model.
Title: Re: Current consensus on EAA 10mms?
Post by: Intercooler on September 17 2017 11:53:10 AM MDT
The Limited is a race gun with flared magwell, etc... The Hunter will have less felt recoil and nothing noticeable in the accuracy department. Keep in mind you can get into a Hunter a little cheaper.
Title: Re: Current consensus on EAA 10mms?
Post by: 10Tens on September 17 2017 12:23:28 PM MDT
This? There is a couple of them on GB. 635.00


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Title: Re: Current consensus on EAA 10mms?
Post by: sqlbullet on September 17 2017 05:30:29 PM MDT
That looks to be one of the new-ish P-Match Pro guns from Tanfoglio.  Reviews are good.
Title: Re: Current consensus on EAA 10mms?
Post by: Scarlett Pistol on October 09 2017 06:35:36 PM MDT
Quote from: Canoe on September 17 2017 10:48:54 AM MDT
Quote from: Intercooler on September 03 2017 06:13:13 PM MDT
  The Hunter is the tank of the entire line and will be the softest shooting. That 6" barrel really wrings out what the 10mm can offer as well. Now the Limited will have a tad more kick and might be more fun to you. I know when I personally shoot both using hot ammo, more rounds can be ran through the Hunter without any fatigue. I love both though and you might also want to look at the Limited Pro which comes in a tad cheaper than both.

So if you had to choose, which would it be?  Hunter or Limited?  I know they are pretty different concepts.  Are the triggers or accuracy potential significantly different? (notwithstanding the sight radius of course but if I mounted an optic that would be moot)  I have a 6" 1911, and Sig 220 and a 1006 so i am not trying to fill a gap, other than just wanting a nice example of an EAA 10mm for range use.

Also, been looking at the recommended upgrade to 10mm EAAs.  Is a coned guide rod (Erik G, Henning, Sprinco, DPM) even available for the Hunter or is that less of an issue than it sounds?  thanks
I picked one up this summer and it had a guide rod that accomplishes what the conical guide rods accomplish. Here's pics I took to explain on the CZ forum, hope they help. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171010/190cf397f5e690673dfd34630ef680b2.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171010/641f9a576d2c47be6831ba2f0ac40e9f.jpg)

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Title: Re: Current consensus on EAA 10mms?
Post by: Intercooler on October 10 2017 05:39:24 PM MDT
That's correct! The Hunter comes all set with it's own version of the "cone" guide-rod we install in the other pistols. I think the cross-pin holding the two pieces together is about the only thing to ever go.
Title: Re: Current consensus on EAA 10mms?
Post by: Canoe on October 10 2017 09:15:01 PM MDT
Quote from: Scarlett Pistol on October 09 2017 06:35:36 PM MDT
Quote from: Canoe on September 17 2017 10:48:54 AM MDT
Quote from: Intercooler on September 03 2017 06:13:13 PM MDT
  The Hunter is the tank of the entire line and will be the softest shooting. That 6" barrel really wrings out what the 10mm can offer as well. Now the Limited will have a tad more kick and might be more fun to you. I know when I personally shoot both using hot ammo, more rounds can be ran through the Hunter without any fatigue. I love both though and you might also want to look at the Limited Pro which comes in a tad cheaper than both.

So if you had to choose, which would it be?  Hunter or Limited?  I know they are pretty different concepts.  Are the triggers or accuracy potential significantly different? (notwithstanding the sight radius of course but if I mounted an optic that would be moot)  I have a 6" 1911, and Sig 220 and a 1006 so i am not trying to fill a gap, other than just wanting a nice example of an EAA 10mm for range use.

Also, been looking at the recommended upgrade to 10mm EAAs.  Is a coned guide rod (Erik G, Henning, Sprinco, DPM) even available for the Hunter or is that less of an issue than it sounds?  thanks
I picked one up this summer and it had a guide rod that accomplishes what the conical guide rods accomplish. Here's pics I took to explain on the CZ forum, hope they help. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171010/190cf397f5e690673dfd34630ef680b2.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171010/641f9a576d2c47be6831ba2f0ac40e9f.jpg)

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Good stuff, thanks.
Title: Re: Current consensus on EAA 10mms?
Post by: Scarlett Pistol on October 10 2017 10:56:55 PM MDT
You're welcome.

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Title: Re: Current consensus on EAA 10mms?
Post by: blfuller on December 12 2017 10:01:48 AM MST
I have an Elite Match and it works well for me.
Title: Re: Current consensus on EAA 10mms?
Post by: Azrckcrawler on December 15 2017 10:47:33 AM MST
Elite match was my first 10mm and my favorite.  No issues in the 500 or so rounds thru it.  I see the prices today and kick myself for not picking up one in 45ACP when CDNN had them for under $500.
Title: Re: Current consensus on EAA 10mms?
Post by: bobclevenger on December 20 2017 10:28:55 PM MST
Quote from: Intercooler on September 13 2017 07:12:45 AM MDT
The steel fixed sight version?  What do you have for magazines and what was the recoil setup before?
Sorry I didn't reply sooner, but I don't check in very often.
Yes, it is the standard steel witness compact barrel & slide which has been ported. it lives on a full-size standard steel frame from a .45 acp. Witness. I have a compact mag or two, but never use them. I use the full-size 10mm mags. The recoil system was stock Witness Compact 10mm before I tinkered with it.