Everybody's favorite thread, the collection of pictures! Post pics of your 10 with carry gear, in it's role as a nightstand gun, or those awesome action shots!
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Here is the quick and dirty of my current 10mm family.
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The 29 on the left with its cuz the 30 on the right!
357Sig, when you posted that pic as you avatar, it sort of looks like a smiley face!
Big, bigger, BIGGEST!
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Very nice Intercooler! 8)
Thanks! The pictures stinks but I'm going outside to test ammo tomorrow and will take some better ones. I know one 10mm fan has just about every 10mm made... except maybe the Hunter or Javelina. I'm wondering if I should add any others to my collection? Kind of been yearning for a Limited tricked out.
TLRMADE, that close up of your G20 just became my wallpaper on the iPad. Great shot!
Gotta be my best looking one.
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Wow, that razorback looks clean! Very nice.
The Razorback is one classy looking 1911. Clean, no giant roll marks or advertising. The controls have a beefy look and feel. Great looking gun!
Went testing today and took a picture. Always looks better in natural light!
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Good looking trio intercooler. Like mine I just realized too. Two Witnesses and a 1911, although yours and mine only intersect on the Elite Match.
Thanks! Don't think I will ever part with any of these.
All stupid accurate and the Razorback was just plain awesome today. It's breaking in some now!
Quote from: Intercooler on June 21 2012 11:05:51 AM MDT
Went testing today and took a picture. Always looks better in natural light!
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Nice collection!
Your right about that natural light. Great shot.
Quote from: RagweedZulu on June 21 2012 12:18:35 AM MDT
TLRMADE, that close up of your G20 just became my wallpaper on the iPad. Great shot!
Haha thanks man! Took it with the iPhone! It's my wallpaper on my iPad as well!
After my very first mag!
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You mean the coating come off after the first mag?
'Intercooler', I always liked the Razorback. Nice gun. I'm thinking of getting one also.
'sqlbullet' That high capacity 10mm of yours is a great setup.
Heres a night vid of me shooting my Glock 20c
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Harry you really should. I'm really happy with it other than how tight it is.
It wiped off
Funny looking fouling pattern. Glad it came off!
The "Wonder" finish on my Witness full-size wasn't that nifty at all IMHO. After about a month summer before last I ended up at a scout camp for a few days and it lived in the holster the whole time. When I got home I had some rust on the left side of the frame and slide. Nothing severe, but it now is different there.
Gonna sand blast and park it before the summer is out.
Quote from: Intercooler on June 21 2012 12:53:08 AM MDT
Gotta be my best looking one.
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Thats a nice looking gun right there. It reminds me of my old Ruger SR1911. I'd like to eventually get a 10mm 1911
Intercooler, any downsides to the EAA's you own? I might need to get hold of one.
I know you asked Intercooler, but here's my 2
Quote from: sqlbullet on June 24 2012 04:00:50 PM MDT
I know you asked Intercooler, but here's my 2
Are you talking about your previous post? I'm lost...
No downsides. I love mine!
Sorry, my full post didn't make it.
My 2
Quote from: sqlbullet on June 20 2012 08:11:27 PM MDT
Here is the quick and dirty of my current 10mm family.
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Very nice!! I have heard of issues with the 10mm version of the EAA Witness - cracked slides and such - how long have you had yours? Have you had any issues?
The left Witness is the Match (SA only), and the right Witness is DA/SA, correct? Is the Match any 'tighter' in fit and finish than the DA/SA version? Have you had trigger work done?
Also, it looks like the weapon on the right is in the Wonder Finish. How do you like it? How durable is the finish? I am thinking about getting an all-steel in WF, then purchasing Match slides for the other calibers...
Sorry for all of the questions....it's just that I see so few Witnesses in the wild....they seem to be hard to come by.
Welcome to the forum Rorge, :)
Those aren't mine above, however I have an Elite Matchin 10 and 38 Super without issues.
Many times those stories you hear about are due to extreme use and Abuse.
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Ok...Couple things I have learned today.
First, using a "cents" sign in a post will make the post end at that character.
so, finally.
My 2 CENTS on the EAA Witness downsides. There aren't any in production steel high capacity 10mm's. Of course there aren't any other steel high capacity production 10mm's :P
In comparison to my Para P16-40 conversion. The Witness is more comfortable to shoot, has a slightly worse trigger and has a lower round count. Considering a good 1911 trigger is really a holy grail in pistol triggers being only slightly worse is pretty high praise. Round count...Well, 15+1 vs 17+1. What are you gonna get finished with 18 rounds that 16 didn't finish.
Rorge, let me try to address your questions:
I have had the full-size (DA/SA) for about 4 years now, and the Match for about 3.5 years. I have had no warranty related issues. The Match has a hairline crack in the frame in the inconsequential steel between the magazine release and the grip frame relief. It in no way affect pistol function, realiability or appearance as you would have to remove the grip to see it.
Both guns have had the fluff and buff of the firing mechanism. This is pretty straight forward do-it-yourself type work.
The full-size would hang up with a three-point jam about once a magazine for the first 300 rounds. During this time I polished the feed ramp (don't waste your time IMHO) and at about 300 rounds I put in a 22 lb recoil spring and +10% magazine springs, and I started storing the magazines full. I have not had a single jam that was not ammo related since then and the gun has gotta be closing in on 4,000 rounds. It has jammed once or twice in the hands of new/inexperienced shooters. I attribute this to limp wristing.
"Was not ammo related". The full-size does not like full power 205 grain loads. These are 205 grain WFN hardcast bullets over 14.5 grains of AA#9, COL 1.260". They should deliver 1250-1300 fps. These will not work reliably in this gun. I personally believe it is slide velocity related and that a flat bottom firing pin stop would solve the issue, but I have not yet tested this theory since Hennings FB FPS came on the market.
I ordered the Match at the same time I ordered the springs for the full size. I added a second 22 lb spring to the order as well as enough +10% magazine springs to cover the Match when it arrived. It was re-sprung before I ever took it to the range. It has never jammed in my hands or anothers. It eats the aforementioned 205 grain ammo just fine.
The wonder finish...I wonder if there is a finish? It's a wonder they can call this a finish! Well, that isn't fair really. On the left side of the gun the end of the barrel and frame have rusted lightly. This occured several years ago while I was at a camp with my son. For three days the gun was holstered without reprieve. Body sweat and wonder finish don't play nice I found when I got home and removed the gun from the holster. I wanted black anyway. My plan is to sandblast it down, park it, and then spray it with gunkote. If you don't carry IWB, or if you do and you remove the gun from the holster every night and wipe it down, as well as let the holster air out, it will probably last quite well. It is better than blueing, but is not really a high durability finish in my experience.
Finally...The Elite series guns are a fabulous value. My full size has the old style slide that never had cracking issues. The new ones are hit/miss from the reports. My recommendation to someone looking is to pony up and get a Match or a Stock. You will not be sorry.
Quote from: Intercooler on June 24 2012 05:41:52 PM MDT
No downsides. I love mine!
Do you know if they have fixed the slide cracking issues on the newer versions of the guns?
Oop, nevermind SQLbullet covered it. Thanks for the info brotha, that clears things up.
One additional piece of information about cracked slides.
At first, there were some owners who got the run around about them. After those first few, it came down from Tanfoglio that a batch of slides were not properly heat treated (too brittle) and EAA started putting up instead of stonewalling.
Most of the fixed guns I saw ended up with Elite series slides on the top. And I have not heard much press about cracks since those early scalloped slides.
So, I think they have their ducks in a row. But you are taking your chances.
Wow, amazing - more info in 5 hours on this board than 3 months of posting on other boards, talking with EAA, etc.
Thanks guys!! 8)
sql, are the frames on the Elite series aluminum or steel??
On the mags.The new Mec Gar K10's are awsome.Big diff in quality from the ones with red followers.Spring appears strong and rounds sit tight.I know some have red followers with no problems,but i can tell you those K10's are sweet.Holds 14 as opposed to 15,but hey,ill take that over issues from previous mags.Over time,im guessing one will get the 15th in.They just don't currently make the Compact ones.Hopeing one day they will.
Quote from: uz2bUSMC on June 26 2012 05:05:51 PM MDT
sql, are the frames on the Elite series aluminum or steel??
They are steel. I understand they come from two different sources.
My understanding is the regular Witness line is built in the Philippines. I don't know where final assembly occurs before Tanfoglio ships them out. The Elite series and Hunter are made in Italy.
This is consistent with what I see in my guns. While visually very, very similar, if you actually start measuring parts, the Elite Match is slightly different than my full size. This is not just in areas where metal would be removed fitting parts together. They clearly appear to be made on different equipment.
The Match frame is alternately listed as stainless and as chrome plated. I believe the latter is accurate for my gun. The slide is blued carbon steel, and would not stand up well IMHO to daily carry. If that is your intent for a Match it will need both a melt and a better finish on the slide.
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Quote from: uz2bUSMC on June 26 2012 05:05:51 PM MDT
sql, are the frames on the Elite series aluminum or steel??
They are steel. I understand they come from two different sources.
My understanding is the regular Witness line is built in the Philippines. I don't know where final assembly occurs before Tanfoglio ships them out. The Elite series and Hunter are made in Italy.
This is consistent with what I see in my guns. While visually very, very similar, if you actually start measuring parts, the Elite Match is slightly different than my full size. This is not just in areas where metal would be removed fitting parts together. They clearly appear to be made on different equipment.
The Match frame is alternately listed as stainless and as chrome plated. I believe the latter is accurate for my gun. The slide is blued carbon steel, and would not stand up well IMHO to daily carry. If that is your intent for a Match it will need both a melt and a better finish on the slide.
Good info bro, preciate it. I would probably not edc with it, have a 29 for that but I love the thought of an all steel 10mm that is inexpensive and is not a 1911. My main concern with these pistols was the QC but you have cleared that up nicely.
Ill be carrying in a shoulder rig only.But like you mentioned over time,i would be intrested in getting the slide in chrome.
keep on mind to all the edges on my match are cut your hands sharp. that is why I mentioned a melt for it.
as it is it will just chew up holster and clothes.
Quote from: sqlbullet on June 27 2012 08:33:05 AM MDTMy understanding is the regular Witness line is built in the Philippines. I don't know where final assembly occurs before Tanfoglio ships them out. The Elite series and Hunter are made in Italy.
This is consistent with what I see in my guns. While visually very, very similar, if you actually start measuring parts, the Elite Match is slightly different than my full size. This is not just in areas where metal would be removed fitting parts together. They clearly appear to be made on different equipment.
The Match frame is alternately listed as stainless and as chrome plated. I believe the latter is accurate for my gun. The slide is blued carbon steel, and would not stand up well IMHO to daily carry. If that is your intent for a Match it will need both a melt and a better finish on the slide.
Hmm.....I wonder if this sinks my idea of getting a regular steel Witness in 9mm, then buying Match/Elite slides for the rest of the calibers....
Have you considered the Polymer version of the Witness?
Quote from: Rorge Retson on June 28 2012 12:13:12 AM MDT
Hmm.....I wonder if this sinks my idea of getting a regular steel Witness in 9mm, then buying Match/Elite slides for the rest of the calibers....
The frame is well made. Here are my thoughts of what you will want to do at some point.
First, you will want to upgrade the trigger system. Two ways: buy parts from EAA and put a nicer trigger in, or, install an over-travel stop in the existing trigger.
Second, if you are going to carry you will want a better finish on the gun at some point. Sandblast and parkerize would be cheapest, or sandblast, park, gunkote/ceracote a close second.
That is about it. Those are my two big beefs with the full-size. If you are handy and willing to tackle those yourself and would enjoy it, then you can probably save a little money with the full size.
The Match would need a melt and re-chrome to be ready for real concealed carry I feel, so the cost of refinishing will balance out the cost of the melt. It would be cheaper if you do the refinish on the full size yourself. I don't see the re-chrome part of the melt really being in the reach of the home gunsmith, and while I have taken a file to a frame before, it was with a jig and still freaked me out a little.
So, for a range gun, strip your full size frame, take the trigger to a machine shop and have them drill and tap it for a set screw. Get a screw at home depot. Fluff and buff all the surfaces while it is apart. For 20 bucks you will have a great trigger.
I think you would be fine frame wise with a full-size.
How about the Limited? The finish on that one is different (did I say I want one) and Henning's favorite EAA gun.
Looks like chrome. I really like the stock. The limited is a little to "racy" for me. But, nothing wrong with it if that is your style.
That it is but very pretty!
10MMs
SW 1086,
SW 1076 (Returned to FBI after turned up stolen 10 years ago) Bg Bummer
Colt Delta Elite
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Wow, there sure are some stunning pictures of fine 10mm's here.
I feel so inadequate!
Here are a couple I tried out.....
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Well done of the photos.....especially like the B&W effect.
Nice pics! 8)
My Hunter long slide, my baby, my workhorse.
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That Hunter is beautiful. The cleanness of it reminds me of the RZ-10.
Damn, everytime I see that purty pistol Long Slide Hunter of Nick's I drool.... :o
Something a little different, I guess:
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My first 10...I'm pretty pleased. I'll have to fabricate a new sight mount for it--this one has to go. But despite the enormity of the EOTech I put on it, I LOVE it. For an old guy with crappy eyes, it's The Answer.
Bongo Boy, There are some who are cutting a pad on the slide where the rear sights are and mounting the optics either directly or on a pad mounted on the milled section. Not sure if your witness is a canidate for that option.
http://www.landmprecisiongunworks.com/services/ (http://www.landmprecisiongunworks.com/services/)
http://www.unitytactical.com/products/atom-mount/ (http://www.unitytactical.com/products/atom-mount/)
Quote from: Bongo Boy on January 20 2013 10:05:36 PM MSTSomething a little different, I guess:
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Looks like a winner to me! Sometimes
different works just fine. 8)
Quote from: LeMat on December 08 2012 11:20:44 PM MST
Wow, there sure are some stunning pictures of fine 10mm's here.
I feel so inadequate!
Here are a couple I tried out.....
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Lemat! No inadequacy there! The real value of a firearm is not in the "pretty," but in the "punch." That Glock punches just fine!