I e-mailed Springfield armory to put a bug in their ear about releasing some pistols in 10MM Auto and here is their reply. Not to bad.
I have not yet heard of any plans for a firearm in 10 mm, however I have noted your suggestion to pass along to management. At the same time, our R&D and product development departments are constantly trying to accommodate the public demand, so I would simply suggest that you to check back with us from time to time and/or check the website www.Springfield-Armory.com for any new developments.
Sarah
Customer Service
Springfield Armory
You can beat on their Facebook page easier. Many of us do often but no movement :(
Maybe S&W will do an M&P at some point.
The #1 reason I started this website was so we could have a rallying point. We have about 475 members. Not enough to get the firearms manufacturers to notice us. But if we had 5,000 or more, that's a ton of people sending emails and posting requests on their facebook pages. We need to unify as fans of the 10mm. Show these firearms manufacturers that there is a market for 10mm guns. We all know what we want: An American company, American made, not a 1911, semi auto that holds 15 rounds, within the normal price range of similar style guns. That's my dream. It can come true if we spread the word. Keep telling people about this website. Like our facebook page so it spreads around. Put up flyers for this website at your gun stores and gun ranges.
Quote from: Grim Reaper on January 31 2013 10:53:53 PM MST
The #1 reason I started this website was so we could have a rallying point. We have about 475 members. Not enough to get the firearms manufacturers to notice us. But if we had 5,000 or more, that's a ton of people sending emails and posting requests on their facebook pages. We need to unify as fans of the 10mm. Show these firearms manufacturers that there is a market for 10mm guns. We all know what we want: An American company, American made, not a 1911, semi auto that holds 15 rounds, within the normal price range of similar style guns. That's my dream. It can come true if we spread the word. Keep telling people about this website. Like our facebook page so it spreads around. Put up flyers for this website at your gun stores and gun ranges.
I agree! I also like to "bug" the ammo companies to to release more offerings in 10MM Auto.
475 members is nothing to sneeze at. Even if only 75% of us buy a 10mm gun each year, that is a gun a day. That has to interest someone.
Quote from: Intercooler on January 31 2013 04:52:22 PM MST
You can beat on their Facebook page easier. Many of us do often but no movement :(
Maybe S&W will do an M&P at some point.
reply from S&W
Subject: 10mm
Dear Customer,
Thank you for contacting us.
Our product development team may be working on such a model. We will not know about a model until it is ready to be revealed to the public.
If further assistance is required please reply accordingly.
Sincerely,
S&W Joe NIEDZIELA
Here you go throw a few coins in to this...it can happen!
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;D
Sounds good on the S&W M&P. Me personally I would rather have the S&W since the 1006 has been great, don't want a Glock and already have an XD. Would be my want in a plastic gun! :D
Love to see CZ make one.Heck their only big bore in .45 would be nice.
Here is a post from Eric Kincel on the AMT/Auto Mag forum about a week ago:
As of the first of the year, I no longer work for Vltor. I started a new job (and life) working as the Director of Research and Development for Bravo Company USA.
The offical statement from Gary Abrams (President and CEO of Abrams Airborne/Vltor) at the SHOT Show is that the Bren Ten will be avaliable by November of this year.
Keeping fingers crossed....
Quote from: Rick1987 on February 04 2013 01:02:40 PM MST
Quote from: Intercooler on January 31 2013 04:52:22 PM MST
You can beat on their Facebook page easier. Many of us do often but no movement :(
Maybe S&W will do an M&P at some point.
reply from S&W
Subject: 10mm
Dear Customer,
Thank you for contacting us.
Our product development team may be working on such a model. We will not know about a model until it is ready to be revealed to the public.
If further assistance is required please reply accordingly.
Sincerely,
S&W Joe NIEDZIELA
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that is what I am talking about! All we can do is try.
:D
Everyone should be emailing and calling them
Quote from: pacapcop on February 04 2013 03:12:04 PM MST
Love to see CZ make one.Heck their only big bore in .45 would be nice.
Actually, they make a couple. Probably the best 10mm's available.
Quote from: DM1906 on February 05 2013 12:47:53 AM MST
Quote from: pacapcop on February 04 2013 03:12:04 PM MST
Love to see CZ make one.Heck their only big bore in .45 would be nice.
Actually, they make a couple. Probably the best 10mm's available.
I think he means a 10mm CZ-97, not a Dan Wesson....Or did I miss CZ rolling out some 75/97 pattern 10mm's?
I would love to see an M&P in 10mm. My wife has an M&P 9mm and my dad has one in .45. They have some of the best ergonomics of all the tupperware guns out there.
Quote from: BEEMER! on February 04 2013 03:55:37 PM MST
Here is a post from Eric Kincel on the AMT/Auto Mag forum about a week ago:
As of the first of the year, I no longer work for Vltor. I started a new job (and life) working as the Director of Research and Development for Bravo Company USA.
The offical statement from Gary Abrams (President and CEO of Abrams Airborne/Vltor) at the SHOT Show is that the Bren Ten will be avaliable by November of this year.
Keeping fingers crossed....
Sorry! I'd like to see the actual e-mail of this info or a web link to a actual post! Otherwise it is just more of the same BS! Been following this story for several years, still nothing! >:(
Quote from: The_Shadow on February 06 2013 10:24:21 AM MST
Quote from: BEEMER! on February 04 2013 03:55:37 PM MST
Here is a post from Eric Kincel on the AMT/Auto Mag forum about a week ago:
As of the first of the year, I no longer work for Vltor. I started a new job (and life) working as the Director of Research and Development for Bravo Company USA.
The offical statement from Gary Abrams (President and CEO of Abrams Airborne/Vltor) at the SHOT Show is that the Bren Ten will be avaliable by November of this year.
Keeping fingers crossed....
Sorry! I'd like to see the actual e-mail of this info or a web link to a actual post! Otherwise it is just more of the same BS! Been following this story for several years, still nothing! >:(
I know what you are saying. Eric is an Auto Mag enthusiast and posts infrequently on that forum. He is also the founder of Vltor and has been General Manager of the firm until he parted ways with Abrams Airbourne/Vltor at the end of the year. He is just repeating what he heard and I have not been able to find any public announcement to that effect.
I am not holding my breath either.
Quote from: The_Shadow on February 06 2013 10:24:21 AM MST
Quote from: BEEMER! on February 04 2013 03:55:37 PM MST
Here is a post from Eric Kincel on the AMT/Auto Mag forum about a week ago:
As of the first of the year, I no longer work for Vltor. I started a new job (and life) working as the Director of Research and Development for Bravo Company USA.
The offical statement from Gary Abrams (President and CEO of Abrams Airborne/Vltor) at the SHOT Show is that the Bren Ten will be avaliable by November of this year.
Keeping fingers crossed....
Sorry! I'd like to see the actual e-mail of this info or a web link to a actual post! Otherwise it is just more of the same BS! Been following this story for several years, still nothing! >:(
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
that would be great if they come out with a 10mm, I mean even RIA has one.
Beat on them. I do... do it often and maybe the bug will stay planted!
Quote from: TGR on February 04 2013 05:07:00 PM MST
Quote from: Rick1987 on February 04 2013 01:02:40 PM MST
Quote from: Intercooler on January 31 2013 04:52:22 PM MST
You can beat on their Facebook page easier. Many of us do often but no movement :(
Maybe S&W will do an M&P at some point.
reply from S&W
Subject: 10mm
Dear Customer,
Thank you for contacting us.
Our product development team may be working on such a model. We will not know about a model until it is ready to be revealed to the public.
If further assistance is required please reply accordingly.
Sincerely,
S&W Joe NIEDZIELA
[/quote
that is what I am talking about! All we can do is try.
:D
Not really much of an answer there. We MAY be working on one, but if we are I don't know? I'll know when the model finally comes out?
Was this guy a former politician or something.
Meanwhile I keep pestering them on their Facebook page to build the M&P10mm! ;D
I swear Sarah must have been a political Science major! She isn't sure if anything is in the works, she probably won't know anything until they actually put a model out, will pass on the info to superiors....etc.
Same way a politician could talk about a subject for an hour and say ABSOLUTELY nothing about the subject! And then thank you for your interest!
Quote from: gandog56 on March 06 2013 05:01:16 PM MST
I swear Sarah must have been a political Science major! She isn't sure if anything is in the works, she probably won't know anything until they actually put a model out, will pass on the info to superiors....etc.
Same way a politician could talk about a subject for an hour and say ABSOLUTELY nothing about the subject! And then thank you for your interest!
I don't see what the big
secret is. I would lean toward it meaning they haven't jumped in head first on a 10mm platform. If they have and know they will be putting one out, even if they can't say when, then what's the harm in saying so? It's not like it's something someone could come back and sue you on. And wouldn't the buzz created only be good for them?
S&W and Springfield really need to make a 10mm.
Agreed. It's beyond me they didn't years ago already.
I Thought S&W DOES make 10mm's.....I think it's a revolver and you have to use moon clips. Weren't they the ones that made a Semi auto 10mm for the FBI when the FBI was thinking of switching to 10's?
Yeah semi- Smith & Wesson's M1076
Revolver- Smith & Wesson's 610
And I believe because a 610 uses moon clips, it will also fire .40 cal S&W cartridges.
I believe the S&W 610 revolver was discontinued at some point. If it came back into production or not I don't know. Either that or I have no clue what I'm talking about. Just seems like something I remember being the case at one time. :-\
Quote from: gandog56 on March 14 2013 07:57:56 PM MDT
I Thought S&W DOES make 10mm's.....I think it's a revolver and you have to use moon clips. Weren't they the ones that made a Semi auto 10mm for the FBI when the FBI was thinking of switching to 10's?
Yeah semi- Smith & Wesson's M1076
Revolver- Smith & Wesson's 610
And I believe because a 610 uses moon clips, it will also fire .40 cal S&W cartridges.
All true. Arguably the Colt Delta Elite and S&W 10XX series saved the 10mm from being a complete relic these days. If they hadn't stepped up when Bren Ten went under, it would likely just be a footnote, and LE would be using the 41 AE as it's darling.
Didn' tmost law enforcement go with .40 S&W instead of 10mm?
I heard the FBI quit because they thought it was "too rough" for a woman agent!
Quote from: gandog56 on March 15 2013 01:13:41 PM MDT
Didn' tmost law enforcement go with .40 S&W instead of 10mm?
I heard the FBI quit because they thought it was "too rough" for a woman agent!
Not too rough. Too big. In the end, the accepted FBI round was nearly what became the .40 S&W, and not necessarily more or less "rough". The handgun masses ultimately balanced the recoil between them. The .40 was offered in a smaller, more familiar frame design and size, comparable, if not the same frame, as the 9mm guns. Ultimately, the 10mm, .357M and .41M were the only cartridges that passed most of the FBI's requirement tests. The 10mm and .41M were the only ones that passed all (probably when the "myth" began, that the 10mm was about as powerful as .41M), and the .40 S&W did only slightly better than the .45ACP, overall. The .357M and .41M was used only as a baseline, as a major objective was an auto-loader platform. Obviously, they settled for less than their requirements. One of the tested "requirements" was not just "12 inches penetration". 12" into a body (simulated) was required AFTER passing through an average car door (window down) and heavy winter clothing. The 9mm didn't pass, doing no better than the .38 Spl +P. The 10mm Auto had as much chance in LE as the .41M did 2 decades before. I actually carried a .41M, until the office rewrote policy, excluding it.
All dem numbers whizzin' by make Grog's head hurt! :-\
Quote from: Rick1987 on February 04 2013 01:02:40 PM MST
Quote from: Intercooler on January 31 2013 04:52:22 PM MST
You can beat on their Facebook page easier. Many of us do often but no movement :(
Maybe S&W will do an M&P at some point.
reply from S&W
Subject: 10mm
Dear Customer,
Thank you for contacting us.
Our product development team may be working on such a model. We will not know about a model until it is ready to be revealed to the public.
If further assistance is required please reply accordingly.
Sincerely,
S&W Joe NIEDZIELA
I emailed them last summer and got a we have no plans. So maybe them saying we don't know is better, like a we are working on it but don't want to get hopes up until its ready to go to market.
I don't see S&W making one. Too small a market, especially when they have their own brand of "10mm" to sell ammo wise (40 Smith and Wesson).
It's very possible that S&W has a good idea of how many G20s and G29s are sold in the US. It would not be out of the question that over time, sales folks in the firearms community share information informally, and move about in the industry. Could also be that the number is just a tough one to use for generating interest internally--with no hope at all of any commercial market. For my own self, an M&P 10mm Compact and an M&P 10mm Pro Series 5" would be very attractive.
Well, since S&W DID build prototype 10mm's for the FBI, we know they CAN do it.
Where the M&P is targeted at contract sales to agencies, I don't see them doing it unless Alaska sticks with 10mm but switches to M&P.
Quote from: Grim Reaper on January 31 2013 10:53:53 PM MST
We all know what we want: An American company, American made, not a 1911 (my emphasis) [...]
Who's "We"? Now that I've finally got my 10mm Kimber Eclipse Custom II 1911 running well, it's the ONLY gun I want (except for my S&W360sc 11oz .357 snubby, as BUG).
Quote from: sqlbullet on April 09 2013 08:08:45 AM MDT
[...] unless Alaska sticks with 10mm but switches to M&P.
What's that about? Do some of their LEO's carry 10mm? Maybe for a little more help against bears? (Not enough help, though ... probably nothing short of a 12 gauge with slugs is "enough" for those browns, and maybe not even that).
Quote from: Grim Reaper on January 31 2013 10:53:53 PM MST
We all know what we want: An American company, American made, not a 1911, semi auto that holds 15 rounds, within the normal price range of similar style guns. That's my dream. It can come true if we spread the word. Keep telling people about this website. Like our facebook page so it spreads around. Put up flyers for this website at your gun stores and gun ranges.
Bite your tongue
Both my 10mm's ARE 1911's, and a 15 round mag is totally unimportant....at least to me. If it takes more than 8, you should be running, not shooting! :P
Quote from: Aegis on March 09 2013 12:36:26 PM MST
S&W and Springfield really need to make a 10mm.
Sure, but Glock should make a 10mm carbine also.
You ever look into a MechTech CCU? Makes your glock or 1911 frame into carbine.
http://www.mechtechsys.com/1911.php (http://www.mechtechsys.com/1911.php)
Quote from: gandog56 on October 27 2013 08:22:05 AM MDT
You ever look into a MechTech CCU? Makes your glock or 1911 frame into carbine.
http://www.mechtechsys.com/1911.php (http://www.mechtechsys.com/1911.php)
I've seen them. I'd still like a Glock carbne like a Beretta storm or similar.
once upon a time they actually did release a 10mm ... the Omega , came out of their custom shop . 5"or 6" ported or not . I love mine .
I would have loved a 6" Omega!
I've Hounded Smith, Springfield and Ruger about adding to their lineup. Would only help them sell more units. I have both of the Glock 10's at this point. Had an M&P 40 as my last work gun. Sold my Springfield 9mm. Own a Ruger SR40C that's awesome. Anyway I'm saying I would buy their 10's in all various sizes for myself and as gifts. Us 10mm guys like to try and spread the word. Also have hounded a few ammo manufacturers about producing some full power or at least near full power loads to their lineup.
Quote from: Dave84 on January 20 2014 10:53:22 PM MST
I've Hounded Smith, Springfield and Ruger about adding to their lineup. Would only help them sell more units. I have both of the Glock 10's at this point. Had an M&P 40 as my last work gun. Sold my Springfield 9mm. Own a Ruger SR40C that's awesome. Anyway I'm saying I would buy their 10's in all various sizes for myself and as gifts. Us 10mm guys like to try and spread the word. Also have hounded a few ammo manufacturers about producing some full power or at least near full power loads to their lineup.
Ehhhh, I reload and can make them as hot as you want. Underwood supposedly makes some warp speed bullets for 10mm.
http://www.underwoodammo.com/10mmauto.aspx (http://www.underwoodammo.com/10mmauto.aspx)
Fully agree and am a huge Underwood fan. The more manufacturers that produce good defensive and even plinking rounds. The better off the mighty 10mm will be.