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Title: Man hunt for Christopher Dorner, Ex LAPD and now a murder
Post by: Bro KV on February 07 2013 09:41:30 PM MST
http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/t/video/los-angeles-manhunt-christopher-dorner-18435069 (http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/t/video/los-angeles-manhunt-christopher-dorner-18435069)

I use to work for a European auto shop in Victorville and back in 2007 and I swear this guy would come through town and have us work on his Jaguar. He was LAPD and spent a lot of time in Vegas. Weird, hope they catch him.
Title: Re: Man hunt for Christopher Dorner, Ex LAPD and now a murder
Post by: harrygunner on February 07 2013 11:56:59 PM MST
Received an email from a friend who is still in the "Sour Orange". He saw cops on the sides of major freeways looking for the guy.
   
My friend drove his sedan instead of his truck since cops shot up two trucks with innocent occupants.
   
Apparently they put over thirty rounds into a truck driven by a little Asian woman because her truck looked similar to the perp's. Then, they rammed another truck before firing at it. Once again, the wrong guy.
   
They found his burned-out truck, so the freeways will be safer. But, now homeowners near Big Bear may need to duck.
   
Of all the police I've interacted with anywhere, the small subset from LAPD made me very uncomfortable. Can't generalize since I've only been involved with a few. But, I'm willing to consider he may have experienced what he wrote in his "manifesto". But his craziness and violence is not the cure.

Sad to read about his killing the daughter of a man he felt wronged him. Tragic all around.


Title: Re: Man hunt for Christopher Dorner, Ex LAPD and now a murder
Post by: sqlbullet on February 08 2013 07:38:33 AM MST
The "most professional police agency" in the world is firing before being sure of their target.

(http://i.imgur.com/dHkZjQx.jpg?1)

Jeez, guys that is one of the basic four rules of gun safety.

I used to wear a uniform about a decade ago.  I know what it is like.  It bugged me then and it bugs me now the mantra of officer safety first.

The primary purpose of a law enforcement officer is to safe guard the rights of the citizens.  That is first.  Right after that is officer safety.  But instead every department I have been involved with has implemented policies which place citizens rights at risk in order to enhance officer safety.  And I think that is wrong.

It is a tragedy to see this man turn as he has.  And he needs to be found and stopped.  But at the rate they are going more citizens are going to be shot by the police than by the madman.
Title: Re: Man hunt for Christopher Dorner, Ex LAPD and now a murder
Post by: EdMc on February 08 2013 10:16:13 AM MST
Anyone notice how the media cut out parts of his manifesto that didn't go along with their agenda? A terrible situation but they edit parts of the story to suit themselves. 'Leftist terrorists' aren't a good fit with their program.
Title: Re: Man hunt for Christopher Dorner, Ex LAPD and now a murder
Post by: harrygunner on February 08 2013 01:15:20 PM MST
Big Bear, where the burned-out truck was found is a city on a mountain range east of Los Angeles. It borders the San Bernardino National Forest, a dense evergreen forest.
   
I often had to have chains on my tires to make it up that mountain in the winter. Plenty of snow and ice. It would be difficult for Dorner to face a serious survival situation in the woods or to hike back down to the base. It's 30-40 miles from the winter in Big Bear to 'So. Cal' weather at the base. There are trails in the National Forest.  I'm sure the authorities are keeping eyes on them from the air.  Off-trail hiking would be very difficult, even in the summer.

I suspect he's holed up in a cabin. There are hundreds of vacation cabins in Big Bear that are vacant most of the time.

Title: Re: Man hunt for Christopher Dorner, Ex LAPD and now a murder
Post by: sqlbullet on February 08 2013 01:34:56 PM MST
Or maybe had an accomplice drive the truck up there and torch it. This guy is highly trained.
Title: Man hunt for Christopher Dorner, Ex LAPD and now a murder
Post by: Bro KV on February 08 2013 01:58:05 PM MST
I live in Adelanto which is about an hour and a half from Big Bear. My thinking is that he would drop over into Lucerne Valley or Hesperia.
Title: Re: Man hunt for Christopher Dorner, Ex LAPD and now a murder
Post by: pacapcop on February 12 2013 03:06:40 PM MST
Im perplexed on these shoot outs on innocents,wtf.Im aware of the gravity,but come on.
Title: Re: Man hunt for Christopher Dorner, Ex LAPD and now a murder
Post by: The_Shadow on February 12 2013 07:16:08 PM MST
This maybe the guy they are looking for...
http://www.firefighternation.com/article/news-2/cabin-burns-california-manhunt-suspect-inside (http://www.firefighternation.com/article/news-2/cabin-burns-california-manhunt-suspect-inside)
Title: Man hunt for Christopher Dorner, Ex LAPD and now a murder
Post by: Bro KV on February 13 2013 12:56:37 AM MST
So, is he dead?
Title: Re: Man hunt for Christopher Dorner, Ex LAPD and now a murder
Post by: cwlongshot on February 13 2013 03:27:49 AM MST
Quote from: Bro KV on February 13 2013 12:56:37 AM MST
So, is he dead?

Thats the reports this AM... Body found
Title: Re: Man hunt for Christopher Dorner, Ex LAPD and now a murder
Post by: DM1906 on February 13 2013 11:58:10 AM MST
Dead?  I dunno.  They say his wallet and/or driver license was found on a "body" in the basement.  Didn't they "find" his wallet and/or DL before, a week ago?  He had smoke grenades, and was seen in a photo/video leaving a sporting goods store with SCUBA gear.  Sounds like a combination for a planned escape from a "burning" building, to me.  They didn't see him leave, so maybe he did, maybe he didn't.  He's "disappeared", before.  I'll wait for the DNA and dental before believing he's really dead.  Either way wouldn't surprise me.  He's proved to be quite resourceful.
Title: Re: Man hunt for Christopher Dorner, Ex LAPD and now a murder
Post by: harrygunner on February 14 2013 10:21:02 PM MST
I've seen several references to Feinstein-Boxer stating they wanted the police and others to disarm, inducing Dorner to surrender.

Title: Re: Man hunt for Christopher Dorner, Ex LAPD and now a murder
Post by: Intercooler on February 16 2013 11:57:53 AM MST
They basically burned him alive. Guess rather than take the pain he just put one in his own head.
Title: Re: Man hunt for Christopher Dorner, Ex LAPD and now a murder
Post by: cwlongshot on February 18 2013 03:11:37 PM MST
To the contrary... I just read a report where he died with NO smoke in his lungs...  Single GSW to the head... All reports are it LOOKS like suicide.

CW
Title: Re: Man hunt for Christopher Dorner, Ex LAPD and now a murder
Post by: Intercooler on February 18 2013 07:21:24 PM MST
The place burned to the ground. How did they find any lung and if he blew his head off... none of that makes any sense.
Title: Re: Man hunt for Christopher Dorner, Ex LAPD and now a murder
Post by: sqlbullet on February 19 2013 07:54:36 AM MST
Body's don't burn up completely in house fires.  Cremation takes a lot of natural gas to reduce a corpse to ashes, and that is after is usually after it has had much of the natural fluids removed.  In addition, cremation takes 2-2.5 hours at 1800 degrees F.  Most house fires top out at 1000 degrees, and are only at that peak temp for 30-45 minutes.

It would be far more disturbing for their to have been no remains to perform this type of forensic analysis on...That would have indicated the intentional use of an accelerant on the body for an extending period of time.