Hey Guys,
With the relatively new 10mm revolver offerings from Ruger and S&W, I am planning to add a 10mm revolver to my arsenal of 10mm semi autos.
I'll be primarily target shooting and plinking. I am leaning toward the SuperRedhawk because of it's heft and ability to put on a scope. But, I like the Smith with it's classic full lug BBL. Already have experience with both platforms in 44 and 357.
What do you say? Both is not an option, unfortunately :(
Get the 610, they are a wonderful revolver and just the right size in my opinion for the 10mm.
The Super Redhawk is just about too big for a 44 in my opinion.
Both are fine revolvers.
I agree with Beemer that the Super Redhawk is just plain too big. I suppose for target shooting and plinking this is less of an issue, but for 10mm I would favor a smaller platform.
S&W's N-frame is a fine option. You don't mention what barrel length you want, and I am going to guess 6.5" which leaves just the two options you mention.
However, if a shorter barrel is acceptable, don't discount the Ruger GP100 Match Champion. Jack Weigand makes a very affordable no-drill scope base for the GP100 that would give you a scope on a handy 4.2" revolver.
Thanks guys! And so it shall be the Smith.
I have a Super Redhawk (in a different caliber) and recently picked up a Smith 610 6.5". I can't imagine why Rugsr elected to use the Super Redhawk for the 10mm.
The Smith is a much nicer gun.
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That reminds me of an experience.
When the 454 Ruger Redhawks were announced back in the 90's I wanted one so bad I could taste it. I had me name in everywhere and they were just slow coming out.
I finally got tired of waiting and having read about the Taurus Raging Bulls and their good reviews I ordered one of them and it was a super nice gun.
Finally a Ruger came in and my LGS gave me a call so I bought it too as I liked the Taurus so much. After shooting the Ruger, I found out that the Taurus was a much better gun in my opinion and I sold the Ruger and still have the Taurus.
I really, really like S&Ws and have one in 45C as well as a Ruger Redhawk in 45 C. The S&W is certainly more refined and smooth. Buth the Rger is almost as smooth DA +/-, SA the same. What the Ruger does in this instance; the great big holes balance the weight well, better than it could in 41 0r 40. And it gives that assurance that nothing could ever hurt it.
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Quote from: BEEMER! on March 26 2020 02:01:09 PM MDT
That reminds me of an experience.
When the 454 Ruger Redhawks were announced back in the 90's I wanted one so bad I could taste it. I had me name in everywhere and they were just slow coming out.
I finally got tired of waiting and having read about the Taurus Raging Bulls and their good reviews I ordered one of them and it was a super nice gun.
Finally a Ruger came in and my LGS gave me a call so I bought it too as I liked the Taurus so much. After shooting the Ruger, I found out that the Taurus was a much better gun in my opinion and I sold the Ruger and still have the Taurus.
I have a friend who has a 454 Casull Redhawk. It's an absolute hand cannon.
I found the Ruger 454 to be a hard gun to shoot.
The Raging Bull had much better ergonomics, more comfortable grips that absorbed recoil, was ported, and was more accurate.
The Ruger held six and did not require two hands to open the cylinder. Both are a small advantage in my opinion.
Quote from: cphills on March 25 2020 11:56:50 AM MDTI am leaning toward the SuperRedhawk because of it's heft and ability to put on a scope.
What do you say?
I have a new S&W 610 with the 6.5" barrel. It's a delight...
I looked at the Rugers, and I know it's superficial, but I thought they were ugly. No deal.
FWIW, the S&W weighs 52oz empty, so it's hardly a lightweight, and it's easy to put a rail in place of the rear sight if you want to mount a scope.
That's great, Bimmer!
I'd be curious if you have run full house loads through the 610? Any issues?
When I ran hot loads in my 686 w 3" bbl, I had trouble opening the cylinder. These were 357 handloads and not even close to the top of the load range. I shot the rest of those loads through my lever action carbine and cases had only slight signs of over pressure. This is another reason why I considered the Ruger.
Honestly, I've only run one cylinder of Underwood's 165gr GoldDots through it. They averaged 1,380fps.
The primers were visibly flattened (Underwood loads 'em hot), but I had no problems with the gun.
The only problem I've had with the 610 is my reloads, which I never bothered to fully re-size to shoot through my Glocks: The revolver's chambers are much tighter, and cartridges wouldn't chamber fully, and then the cylinder wouldn't turn.
Thanks Bimmer. Good to know RE the 610 having no issues with the Underwood loads you ran through it.
Interesting that the Glock chamber is so loose that you don't need to resize the cases. Am I reading that correctly?
Quote from: cphills on April 17 2020 04:19:14 PM MDTInteresting that the Glock chamber is so loose that you don't need to resize the cases. Am I reading that correctly?
Well, I still resize for the Glocks, but nowhere near as much as for the 610 with its tighter chambers.
FWIW, I think some of the issue is that the action of a semi-auto will "jam" a tight-fitting round into the chamber (my reloads didn't quite pass the "plonk" test, but cycled just fine), whereas placing 6 rounds in the cylinder of a revolver with finger pressure requires an easy fit.
BTW, I had the same problems years ago with my reloads in a friend's 1990s-vintage S&W .40 (read that correctly: a pistol manufactured by S&W, chambered in .40 S&W). My "oversized" reloads ran find in my Glocks, but wouldn't chamber in his S&W.
Bimmer,
Indeed, I've had similar experience with reloads jamming is some of my semi autos over the years. To avoid this, I screw the resize die all the way to the shell plate (have never had issue damaging the carbide insert). I check all my reloads with cartridge gauge. Even then, the tighter chamber target guns can still have some issues. My latest experience with this issue is with my 9mm Springfield 1911 "loaded" model. ~10% of the reloaded rounds do not pass the plunk test in the Springfield bbl. They will jam when the slide is going into battery. These same cartridges have no problems in my other 9mm pistols (HK and S&W...). I've never had issue with my revolver reloads but i don't yet have a revolver that shoot pistol ammo/using moon clips.
I've owned just about every Ruger revolver and once I got my first S&W I sold every Ruger except for my SS .45 convertible blackhawk.
In the 70's Ruger put out some nasty ads saying (paraphrased) Our revolvers are bigger and stronger and are better than...
firing a shot over Ruger's bow, S&W put out the following ad in gun rags, nuff said :-)
(https://i.postimg.cc/B6qQg8SP/ruger-burger.gif)
Looking to get the S&W 610 4in soon as my Disability check gets oked for new claim, looked at super Redhawk tooooo big, Blackhawk ok have to change cylinders. S&W use moonclips for 40 and 10 which I already have for 357. Will order new moonclips and some 10mm brass. Used to shoot 10mm had a Kimber and dan Wesson razorback sold both like a fool. now alittle older and alittle smarter at least with the smith I wont have to chase brass.
Quote from: gnappi on April 24 2020 10:05:34 AM MDT
I've owned just about every Ruger revolver and once I got my first S&W I sold every Ruger except for my SS .45 convertible blackhawk.
In the 70's Ruger put out some nasty ads saying (paraphrased) Our revolvers are bigger and stronger and are better than...
firing a shot over Ruger's bow, S&W put out the following ad in gun rags, nuff said :-)
(https://i.postimg.cc/B6qQg8SP/ruger-burger.gif)
I could not agree more. The only Ruger revolver I have left is a SP-101 because I like the engraving
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Quote from: cphills on April 23 2020 01:35:06 PM MDTI screw the resize die all the way to the shell plate (have never had issue damaging the carbide insert). I check all my reloads with cartridge gauge.
Right... I'm almost there. I'm now screwing the sizing die down to where it's contacting the paperclip-like case retaining clip on my RL550B.
I never used to worry about gauging my reloads, because my Glocks would eat anything. Now I have an old Glock barrel next to my reloading bench to use as a case gauge...
Regarding S&W vs. Ruger: The big Ruger revolvers are just ugly, IMO, but I have a couple 3" LCRxes, and they're super.
I would buy a 9mm 3" LCRx in a heartbeat (c'mon Ruger!), and if Ruger could make a .40 or 10mm 4" LCRx, then I would buy one...
Quote from: Mike D on March 26 2020 01:33:45 PM MDT
I have a Super Redhawk (in a different caliber) and recently picked up a Smith 610 6.5". I can't imagine why Ruger elected to use the Super Redhawk for the 10mm.
Because they were anticipating that a lot of buyers would have the cylinder chambers reamed out to
10mm Magnum, for which that frame is more than adequate.
Just a quick follow up since I started this thread....Just bought a 610 this evening!!! :D
Quote from: cphills on November 11 2020 11:19:22 PM MST
Just a quick follow up since I started this thread....Just bought a 610 this evening!!! :D
Congrats. Great choice.
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Yup, I agree, good choice. Range report?