I doubt it. Smith barely made the 45c equivalent in 2.0. I am looking for one of the 45c 2.0 equivalents to swap my 10mm slide to. Only seen a couple in the last year.

Anyone grab one yet? I saw one at the last gun show but they wouldn't remove the zip tie and allow me to see how the trigger feels.
Curious how the trigger pull feels on the 510.

Finally saw two in person. One a couple weeks ago where the store wanted 1k. Pass. That store is really starting to get full of themselves. Wildly exaggerated claims, and often the little stock they do have is a couple to a few hundred over MSRP.

Another in Cabelas a couple days ago. Also saw a M&P Revolver for the first time. Checking that out cost me the 320. By the time I decided against the revolver someone else already snagged the 320. If the M&P hadn't been scratched up and still full price I'd probably have bought both.

Quote from: gmtmaster on September 06 2022 11:47:31 AM MDT
Maybe you should do what the mfg of the gun says?

In many instances, this is decent advice, 10mm is often not that realm. With the super wide range of velocities from ammo to ammo, some manufactures *cough S&W cough* build the pistol with a 10mm chamber, a 45 frame, and a 40 S&W setup for the rest. Much like many 1911s, the MP 10 is revealing itself to need some modifications to the setup to run hotter 10mm ammo reliably in far more than just sporadic one off instances.

The mag springs in my MP 10 are by far the lightest springs in any of my mags across any of my semi autos. 10s tend to need a stiff mag spring to keep up with slide velocities. Yet they chose to run super light ones fully knowing this.

Just to circle back around to this, stretching the mag springs on mine resolved my issues. I haven't had a failure in a couple hundred rounds with either mag that it came with.

Maybe we will get a 10mm with the new metal frame in the future. Probably not but I can wish.

As a followup to this...

Went to the grasslands and put a mess of rounds through it. First it was doing the same thing on both mags randomly would spit the last live round out of the top and lock the slide back. As best I could tell from slow motion on the go pro, its a combination of things.

1: The mag spring is weak. Thought this might be the issue given it takes less to put the 15th round into my MP than the first couple in my XDM.
2: The mag lips are wildly short compared to other 10mm firearms and even MP other calibers.

So watching the slow motion on the couple instances I managed to capture, the round was not pressed up against the lips before the slide battered back and started really racking the whole frame back. Inertia took effect and the round stays where it was when the frame starts coming back. By the time the spring in the mag catches up and starts pushing the round up against the lips, the round has cleared 50% or more of the lips. Once the spring has finally caught up and the slid is just starting to go forward the follower has shot the last round out of the mag and locked the slide back.

So as a temp test fix, I disassembled 1 mag and stretched the springs out as far as I dared. Put it back together and re-ran it. The mag with the stretched spring ran wonderfully, the original one still occasionally popped out the last round. Of course stretched springs only work so long before they go back to normal rate, so Ill be keeping an eye out for a wolf mag spring with significantly more force.

Also had one new failure, round nosed up and wedged between slide and barrel. In my limited 1911 10mm experience, this was also resolved by a stiffer mag spring.

All signs point to a couple new heavier springs to address most of the issues I experienced.

As a solid good side to the trip, once I got the red dot dialed, it had a super nice grouping. Soda Cans at 50 yards didn't stand a chance.

Color me intrigued, have they finally fixed the drop safety issues? Seems every time I google it and think of getting an X series, I find out they are still shooting when dropped. Not that I plan on dropping my pistol, but it sure would be nice not to have to worry about it should it ever happen.

Looks like they did what a lot expected, they dropped the normal xdm line to startup elite versions of the original models. Seeing several start to appear on gunbroker that show as new. 4.5" elite osp, but they dont have the supressor height sights or threaded barrel yet have the factory OSP cut. I cant see that many people swapping the barrel and sights on an original 4.5" osp elite 10mm.

Might have to snag one of these too.

Finally got a 4" 10mm MP this Friday. Took it to the range Saturday morning.

First of all, love how it shoots compared to my XDMs, like the trigger way more. What started happening I don't like so much. Never encountered this before so I don't even know where to start to address it other than calling Smith and Wesson. Maybe the hive mind here might have some answers.

I used Magtech 180gr 10mm which is reasonably hot and Hornady critical duty for this range session. Unfortunately about 25% of the time, the pistol will spit the last live round out the top and lock the slide back. It did with with both types of ammo, one mag seemed to do it more than the other but I didn't really try to test this too much because I was loosing live rounds down the range and didn't want to force everyone to stop shooting to retrieve them so I just started pulling the mag and reloading when the second to last round was chambered.

I will take it to the grasslands and put a bunch through it with 3-4 rounds in the mag each time and with the go pro recording in slow mo to see if I can catch what exactly is happening. These MP 10mm mags do seem to have very short feed lips on them compared to even my 45c. I have pretty much every other type of failure to feed, but this one is totally new to me. Tried to find some details online, but I can only find some references to some sig sauers doing it years ago.

I also need to do something about the grip on this thing. People must have gotten it into companies minds that they expect to have to use a pistol after having to dip their hands in gear lube. The stippling on this thing is way way over the top. Short of putting a rubber sleeve on it any un-stippling methods around that don't look terrible on the finished product? I haven't once grabbed my 45c and thought dang man this thing is just too slick I need to glue some sandpaper to it but anymore thats the entire MP line.

Aside from tossing the last round unfired out the top, and the meat grinder grip. I love this thing. I will be keeping an eye out for the 4.6" to permanently attach an optic to. I'll also be installing standard night sights on my 4". The "optic height" sights from the factory don't clear a fast fire 3 anyway.

Finally got to take mine out and good god it was bad. That magwell needs to go. Phew I think my pinkie is still a bit numb after some 180s at 1200. Ate all my ammo without a single complaint, but I didn't give it too many. After a couple mags with its god awful ergonomics my hand said that was enough.

I need to look mine over good. Shot my 4.5" and was consistently nailing bulls eyes at 15 yards. When I pulled out the 3.8" I could barely get it on a 8" target at 10 yards without a boat load of kentucky windage. Sights are nicely centered but no matter how careful I was to be cognizant of all the typical accuracy rules for pistol shooting if I placed the sight on the bull, it would hit about 5" left and 5-6" low. Oof.

Will take the god awful magwell off, slap some 15 rounders with the sleeve in it and see if it was just me not being able to get a comfortable non-punishing grip on it.

All things considered a good day off work, sent some 9mm down with the Sphinx, that thing is still dialed. Sent some subsonic really low power rounds out the ruger wrangler, and Of course laid down some 10mm with my 4.5 xdm and the 3.8. Just wish I had likes the 3.8 more than I do after its first outing. Still looking for an MP 10mm round here.

Quote from: Dreidel3 on January 15 2022 04:33:46 PM MST
Also, anyone have issues with non-brass casings? Just trying to get a jump on what ammo to buy.

Mine seems to have no complaints eating anything and everything I offer to it. Take that with a grain of salt, but reviews online seem to suggest the 3.8 is every bit as reliable as the 4.5 that did the 10,000 round torture test without any failures.

I suppose before I suggest anything, I should probably clarify with you. What constitutes second mortgage territory? For some that's $600 others it $100k

Quote from: hunter5567 on January 24 2022 07:27:26 AM MST
I was looking for a holster option for the M&P 10mm and choices were limited due to the high sights. I had a Fobus paddle holster  for the HK USP .40 that I had
and it works fine for the M&P 10mm.

Unless you are really looking to run an optic and co-witness, just swap out those goofy tall things with a set of meprolight tru dot night sights. Then any MP 45 holster should fit it.

Well that's a shame. Now I have to find a 5.25 and full size OSP. My 4.5 has been an absolute dream and I was thinking of collecting several of them.

Already see the ItS dIsCoNtInUeD scalpers have hit gunbroker and the rest are gone. Dang.

Looks like that rail has a bit of the glock pignose going on.

I'm excited about this. As I understand, a 2.0 slide can work on a 1.0 frame if the slide stop is swapped over. MP 10c here I come. I have to try swapping the mag follower and slide into my 45c frame and mag.

Guess I'll also have yet another pistol I have to swap goofy sights out first thing just like the goofy ones on my xdm elite 10mm. Time to invest in a proper sight pusher.