This week marks five or six MONTHS from the time I ordered my woodsman from Panther Creek Gunleather and was given a three week wait time... I got the notification today that they cancelled my refund request. So, no holster, no refund, out $87. I sent him a last message about a month ago saying I was just done trying and calling and to only bother filling the order if he felt like it was his responsibility as a businessman but that I was done chasing him. Sometimes we lose money getting our pocket picked and sometimes we pay a business to make a product and they flat out refuse to do so... either way, not worth chasing it anymore and had to go with other options for the three chest holsters I have bought since then including one for the 20sf I got in Feb.