Quote from: The_Shadow on March 20 2023 01:56:04 PM MDT

Quote from: Kenk on March 20 2023 01:47:35 PM MDT
Thanks for doing the pull down. It does seem odd them using brass and not nickel

The nickel is probably more geared toward Law Enforcement use as the bullets may have sealer and both look to have primer sealer.

Glad that Pctechdude shared his findings as well.

No bullet sealer, but yes on the primers being sealed. Seems very odd they have 2 versions being brass and nickle plated. Usually only seen the brass cases in the overrun ammo packaged in the white boxes.

I thought silhouette powder as well, but if western/accurate's numbers are correct, the bullet being longer i.e. seated deeper would be above the 38,500 psi? And these are standard pressure loads. The powder while not showing it, seemed more fine compared to silhouette.

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Quote from: Kenk on March 17 2023 11:50:16 AM MDT
Not a bad price at all. I picked up several hundred rd?s of those and Federal HST 124gr +P LE pre pandemic for I think $27.00 for 50 rd boxes, so the prices are for sure stabilizing

Not at all, I looked online and cheapest I could locate was around 42 a box. So I won't complain at all. Definitely seems to be stabilizing some. Hopefully we can get target ammo down under 10 bucks again for 9mm. That might be wishful thinking though [emoji1787]

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So went to a local store, actually a drive thru where one can buy beer, tobacco and firearms [emoji1787].

As I was looking around at his ammo selection, he had several 50rd boxes of 124gr gold dot +p. Asked what he was charging, 31.99 + tax.

Hell I couldn't pass that up so bought a few boxes. I don't think I can find them that cheap online.

Even had a bunch of speer lawman 124gr 50 Rd marked at 11.99 + tax.

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So to elaborate more on the brass vs nickel plated I looked at both boxes I bought. The black box shows brass cartridges whereas the box that says federal premium on the front contains the nickle plated cases.

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Seems to be 2 different variants of this ammo. I bought 2 boxes. One has nickel plated brass the other is not nickel plated. Just plain brass.

The last two pictures are a side by side of the Punch and HST


Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Federal Punch
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: 1150 fps
Muzzle Energy: 364 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp:  FC Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.602
Dia. 0.355" 124 gr. JHP
Hollow point depth 0.122"
Actual weight 125.7 (grains) Crimp diameter 0.356
C.O.A.L.: 1.100
Primer: Small Pistol primer Nickel color
Powder: 6.1gr fine flattened ball - unknown powder

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I actually picked up a box to test, and was surprised when I opened the box and noticed they were brass cased instead of nickel plated.

Will be testing them sometime shortly from the full size XDm 3.8 9mm.

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Found some of this ammunition at a local gun store here in Ohio.

Was able to get out and do some testing with the clear ballistics gel block.

https://youtu.be/nBMcOjYOPnw

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Quote from: Kenk on January 20 2022 07:22:30 PM MST
Nice job man, hope to try some of their 124gr when back in stock

Thanks Kenk! Much Appreciated!

I have to admit that I'm really impressed by these. Keep the 124gr under 1120fps and they should do fine. Honestly, probably one of the best bullets available for sub compact pistols. It's very easy to achieve 1100fps in a 3.1" barrel with standard pressure. I tested with a shield and Glock 43, 6gr silhouette 1.105" overall length. Great expansion and penetration. Not many sub compacts achieve both. Expansion was .659" in bare gel, 13" penetration.

So this is the first time I've done this but hopefully will get to continue doing so once more funds become available.

Yes I know the clear ballistics gel block is very dark, it has been used many times for rifle tests and recast.

If you have any suggestions or something you want to see, let me know!


https://youtu.be/Iz3-eMAn3pc

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Quote from: Kenk on January 17 2022 07:12:58 PM MST
This isn?t a bad price if they?re the same bullets

9MM 147gr HP X-Def
Quantity of 100
Diameter: 0.356
Price:$19.00
Box Qty: 100

That's them, price point isn't bad by any means. Especially if you catch the free shipping.

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Quote from: The_Shadow on January 17 2022 10:17:40 AM MST
Thanks for posting and looking forward to results...   They look like Gold Dot bullets

They do, seems like Xtreme copied the design while modifying the hollow point cavity. Even in the 124gr variety, the hollowpoint cavity is exceptionally deep. The other difference is the lead hardness. It's fairly soft, so must stick to the recommended velocity of 1120fps or under in the 124gr.

Freedom munitions loads this to 950fps, mine should be just over 1000fps. So we will see if it has a negative impact on the results.

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Looking forward to testing these, as I have tested the 124gr offering. These are the 147gr Xtreme X-Def line of defensive hollow points.

The 124gr is an amazing option for short barrels as the max velocity is around 1120fps. Which with careful powder selection can be made at standard pressure, achieve really good expansion (.600"), and great penetration (12+ inches). Weight retention is excellent as it is a bonded design.

I like how they built these upon the gold dot technology, but changed the hollow point cavity. In the 124gr it's very deep, which resists plugging when shooting through the heavy clothing protocols.

The 147gr is no different, as the hollow point cavity is very deep.

Once weather co-operates here in Ohio I will send these into the clear ballistics gel block. Will try and actually start recording these videos. Will use the bare gel and FBI heavy clothing tests.

147gr Xtreme X-Def
5.1gr BE-86
Mixed Nickel Plated Brass
Mixed primers [emoji2373]
1.120" overall length

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Tried the 225gr ftx bullets in my Mossberg 450 bushmaster bolt action. Starline brass, 41gr lil gun, rem 7 1/2 primers.

Velocity
2415
2446
2428
2442
2436
Avg 2432

Sorry for the cloudiness of the clear ballistics gel block, it's been hit with quite a few rifle rounds [emoji1787] bullet penetrated to around 14 inches.

Widest expansion was . 808", shortest expansion .702"

Retained weight 140.3gr.

Weather
North central Ohio
Temperature 84°f
Humidity 49%
Elevation 950'

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Shadow, I never played with Ramshot Tac but supposedly this is what black hills uses, but somewhat modified I hear for flash. I was able to find a picture that looks almost identical. And the 25 grain load fits. In Australia the loading is 23.8gr IMR 8208 XBR.

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Quote from: 5pins on July 15 2020 08:39:05 AM MDT
Yes, they do appear to be plated similar to the Gold Dot. Not surprising when you consiter thet Speer and Federal are part of the same company.

After seeing these, the hydra shok has probably been one of the most loved and hated ammo lines, its been around a long time. But for some reason I'd like to see the plated hydra shok in the more common calibers for some reason lol, seems like an interesting mash up!