That's a beautiful pistol (a little over the top for me, but beautiful nonetheles). Wow, those Glock girls (Michelle and Tori Nonaka) are total eye candy. I've watched Tori before and she's a total professional (and also really good looking).

Quote from: Gen4G20 on June 16 2016 07:45:03 PM MDT
I have a Trijicon rmr on my G40 and went with Dawson Precision fiber optic sights to co-witness the rmr. It's a great combination.

Sounds like a very cool set up.

Quote from: Dave84 on June 16 2016 11:38:11 AM MDT
How much did that delta point run you? Also, are co witness sights that important for it? I may just buy some cheap non tritium suppressor sights for mine for the day I can actually afford an optic for mine.

The Delta Point Pro wasn't cheap. IIRC, $585 from Optics Planet 3 or 4 months ago.  I've been a Leopold fan for a while so I got it sight unseen. I'm not at all disappointed. I also brought the additional rear iron sight, but haven't put it on yet. I also got a suppressor height front sight, it's to low. I need the MOS height front sight. The co witnessed sights are not necessary, but they help "find" the Red Dot quickly.

I picked up a new Glock G40 and mounted a Delta Point Pro. It's kind of a beast, and I'm totally happy with it. I had loaded up 500 rounds (300 hollow points and 200 solids) both 180 grain Rainier copper plated bullets for my G20 (which is for sale now). They cycle perfectly in the G40. Speer says with 9.5 grains of AA#5 I should be getting 1120 fps. There a little on the light side, but I'll work on that. With the Red Dot, I was able to keep all three magazines on a 12 inch metal plate at 25 yards. Did I mention I'm totally happy with this setup. I have to work on co-witness sights...

As the subject asks, has anyone worked up a load using IMR 4227?

I bought a pound of this powder back when powder was scarce. I had acquired load data for .458 SOCOM and tried using that data, only to find that the rifle wouldn't cycle properly. I recently discovered load data for 6.8mm SPC, but it turns out that I can't use that load. That load data was for the 85/90 grain projectiles, and I'm using 115grain bullets.

Anyway, I have some (100 pieces of) once fired 10mm brass, the IMR4227 powder, and I'm not restricted to bullet weight (I can buy whatever).

I see that in the Speer #14 book, there are loads for:

.357 Mag:

140 Gr projectile, 17.2 to 19.2 gr of IMR-4227
158 Gr projectile, 15 to 17 gr of IMR-4227
170 Gr projectile, 16.1 to 16.7 gr of IMR-4227

.41 Mag:

200 Gr projectile, 18 to 20 gr of IMR-4227
210 Gr projectile, 21 to 22 gr of IMR-4227
220 Gr projectile, 17 to 19 gr of IMR-4227

Has anyone loaded a 180'ish bullet on top of 20'ish grains of IMR-4227? Or anything similar? I guess I'm just looking for a starting point. My pistol is a Glock 20. I'm not looking for a minimum or maximum load, my only criteria is that the pistol has to cycle reliably...

I have this powder, I suppose I could just spill it on the patio and light it up, but I was hoping I could use it for something...

Thanks in advance if anyone has any thoughts.

Watching this thread, as I'm looking into milling a G20 for a MOS plate, and mounting. Delta Point Pro...

Yep, I noticed and had discussion about the case head imprinting. I ended up buying a barrel and bolt from a mfg that reverse engineered those items, and I attribute the case head imprinting to an out of spec ejector and extractor.

If anyone is thinking about building a .458SOCOM, be sure to buy parts from the legitimate companies that  produce components vs. the companies that don't want to pay the licensing fees to the the inventor and reverse engineer the parts (they are basically stealing from Marty ter Weeme, Founder, Teppo Jutsu LLC). Go to www.458socomforums.com for more information.

Sorry, I don't have a facebook account, so I'm not able to see the facebook groups that you speak of...

I hadn't seen the pull downs that you posted. Good information. Thanks for putting that up there.

The 6.8mm SPC II loads that I made are kind of a known entity to me, 27 grains of AA2200 with various 115 grain projectiles. It's been my deer rifle and it shoots just at 1.5 MOA.

The 10mm loads that I loaded are new to me. Glock Gen 4 G20 is near virgin. It's only had 10 rounds through it. Loading dies are brand new. I ended up loading 9.5 grains of AA#5 with 180 grain flat nose and 180 grain HP. Both bullets from Rainier, and they're copper plated. I guess I'll see how they perform... Any thoughts on my 10mm loads?

Maybe this should be moved to the general reloading forum vs. 10mm reloading forum...


Once upon a time, I loaded up 5 each Barnes 350 grain TSX HP, .458 projectiles with H4198 with 39, 40, 41, 42, and 43 grains. I settled with  the 40 grain option. The 43 grain load showed primer flattening...

My primary objective was relaiable cycling in an AR, and minimal primer flattening. Accuracy wasn't really that important. Meaning I don't need nor expect 1 MOA from the rifle. I can hit the center of a 6" metal plate offhand at 100 yards. I think it's probably 3 MOA.

As always, with reloading, start low and work up...

I loaded up a few rounds...

250 - 115grain, Nosler Competition, 6.8mm SPC II
50 - 115 grain, Remington Core Lokt, 6.8mm SPC II
200 - 180 grain, Rainier Copper Plated FN, 10mm Auto
300 - 180 grain, Rainier Copper Plated HP, 10mm Auto
50 - 400 grain, Speer Flat Nose, .458 SOCOM
40 - 350 grain, Barnes TSX HP, .458 SOCOM
40 - 300 grain, Barnes TSX HP, .458 SOCOM

I think I'm good with ammo for a little while.

Quote from: Wolfie on January 02 2016 12:06:36 AM MST
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2016/01/01/landmark-california-gun-seizure-law-takes-effect-1-january-but-amid-concerns/

An ex wife can jam you up for nothing.

A California gun statute going into effect on 1 January gives the police or family members the option to petition the courts to seize the guns and ammunition of someone they think poses a threat, the first law of its kind in the country.

But the "gun violence restraining order" law, passed last year, has raised concerns from lawmakers and pro-gun groups about civil liberties and questions about how effective it will really be.

Modeled after firearms prohibitions in domestic violence restraining orders, the statute allows for law enforcement or "immediate family members" to ask a judge for a restraining order if they feel that someone is a danger to themselves or others. The order would also bar the person from purchasing a firearm by placing them on the state's do-not-buy list.

Former California assemblywoman Nancy Skinner introduced the bill, AB 1014, in 2014, just two days after a 22-year-old man, Elliot Rodger, went on a murderous rampage in Isla Vista, California, killing six people and then himself.

"The shooter's mother and his father were aware that this man was basically threatening violence," Skinner, a Democrat, said this month. "They did everything they felt they had the ability to do to try to intervene to stop their son from doing something violent, but they didn't have any tools."

Republican assemblywoman Melissa Melendez said she voted against the bill because she believed it violated due process by seizing guns without a hearing for 21 days. She did successfully amend the law's language to allow for a gun owner to sell or store their guns with a licensed firearms dealer.

To request a firearms restraining order, a petitioner has to tell the court why they believe someone presents a danger to themselves or others because they are in possession of a gun or intend to get one. The petitioner also has to explain why a restraining order is necessary to keep the subject of the order from harming anyone.

If the order is granted, a judge can issue a temporary firearms restraining order within 24 hours. The subject would then be served with the order and would have to surrender their guns and ammunition within 24 hours.

Before the order expires, a judge decides at a hearing attended by both parties whether to terminate the order and return the subject's firearms and ammunition, or extend the order for a year.

Before the order expires, a judge reviews evidence – which can include written witness testimony, photos, damaged property, threatening messages – and decides at a hearing attended by both parties whether to terminate the order and return the subject's firearms and ammunition, or extend the order for a year.

"It's really designed so that if you really feel that the person you're concerned about is really making credible threats of violence to themselves or others that you can get the police to act very quickly," Skinner said.

But you "still have a due process so that if the person feels like that was acted on maliciously and they can demonstrate that they're not really a threat or they're not at risk – they can get their weapons back in a pretty quick period of time if that's the case," she added.

It will become clearer after petitions begin to flow through the California courts what kind of evidence, minimally, could result in the issuance of a temporary firearms restraining order.

If the order is extended for a year, a gun owner may petition the courts once to get their weapons back during that time. After that, they may petition again if the restraining order is renewed for a second year.

"Every once in a while, there'll be a case where a family knows that someone needs serious help and shouldn't have guns," said Adam Winkler, a UCLA law professor and author of Gunfight: The Battle Over the Right to Bear Arms in America. "But it's not going to be a panacea.

It's not going to radically change the number of mass shootings or even slightly change the number of mass shootings. And it's not going to likely have significant effect in reducing gun violence just because it's going to be used only exceptionally."

Still, for some pro-gun groups any gun control is too much regulation, and an infringement on second amendment rights.

"In California we have no more loopholes. They have already tried and done everything regarding gun control," said Sam Paredes, executive director of Gun Owners of California. "It's a kneejerk reaction that would do nothing to prevent the incident that inspired it."

The term "immediate family member", according to the new law, includes a range of relatives, blood ties or not. It also includes anyone who has "within the last six months, regularly resided" in the same household.

Additionally, court documents state that even if you don't have the necessary relationship, you may notify law enforcement of a potential problem, and an officer could investigate and file a petition for the order.

According to the California department of justice, as of 11 December 2015, there were 13,305 people actively prohibited from owning or possessing a firearm.

Washington is trying the same thing:

http://www.thecommontruth.net/2/post/2016/01/-olympia-wa-has-gone-anti-gun-crazy.html