That's right up there with the guy I overheard the other day. He was buying a box of .50 BMG and he was telling the clerk, I sh*t you not...

"You can miss a person with one of these by four feet and the forces of the wind would still cause injuries."

She said "That's crazy!"

I said "It's also a myth."

You should have seen the look on this guy's face when he turned around. 

For completeness, here it is set up for the G40.

Because of the post image size limit, here's another pic.

Not kydex, but I like these.

On Amazon. I think they're primarily airsoft or paintball gear, but the material and stitching are solid. I bought four for various pistols I hadn't found holsters for. All have lights attached, and this option works well for all of them. You can position the depth strap to index off the slide or the light attached. Adjusting for fit is trivial. There's a button first level retention with another velcro strap that raps back over for really good OWB security.

What's in a name?

https://www.amazon.com/EXCELLENT-ELITE-SPANKER-Tactical-Adjustable/dp/B0769YD2GB

The molle straps can be threaded on the back such that there's about 2" of captured strap as a belt loop, which works fine with a good belt. Weighs 4.7 oz.

Pictured is a G20 with an Olight PL-Pro Valkyrie. Since the depth strap can be oriented low at the light, it also fits my G40 just fine. I think this would also be a good holster for suppressor-equipped pistols if the suppressor isn't too large diameter.

Neat.

One thing I always wonder about new technology like this is whether it can be adapted to be backward compatible with firearms chambered in more common existing cartridges like 10mm and .308.

Dropping the carried weight of those would be nice.

If after 30 years on radio, talking for 3 hours a day about controversial topics, often early on intending to be provocative, you judge Rush's life or excuse the evil way the social media mob cheered his death based on a handful of cherry picked bad jokes or brash comments: you're in the wrong.

The scales weighing the good he did in politics, philosophy, culture, and philanthropy vs those controversial comments fall absolutely in his favor.

I don't think I've seen a 205 grain 10mm bullet advertised before.

https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2021/01/12/federal-syntech-range-line-ext/

The post on KTOG was finally made public for anyone interested in seeing the early pictures. I've made a few changes to the card layout for clarity, and to the contents, but it's still a good illustration of just how much can fit in a small-ish kit with careful packing.

Heh I saw the topic title and got confused why the reliability of witness testimony would be in the gunsmithing section.

Thanks again for your advice Rooster41, I really appreciate it.

Best of luck with your new certification.

Thanks for the great info and insight Rooster41. I really appreciate it - I'm still learning a lot about how to use some of it, but I figure it's better to have it even if I'm not the one actually making use of it. The list is certainly pared down focusing on the backpacking/hunting use-case since that's where the most practical size and weight limitations are. Obviously the larger tools and such make sense to have in the vehicle/home kits.

As of this past week I have everything on my list gathered and organized and with the exception of the abdominal/trauma pad it all fits inside the kit container in that amazon link. Took a bit of tetrising, but the vast majority of the supplies are flat anyway and it's not packed so tight as to damage any of the contents. It's actually kind of surprising how much you can actually fit if it's smartly packed - which is why the off-the-shelf kits are disappointing.

The SAM splint is something I'll add to my list for sure. I wasn't aware these were available.

Nothing on my list has required a prescription, and the vast majority were purchased off Amazon.

Thanks for pointing out that indeed these are "practice" sutures. In your opinion should I go to the effort of getting "official" prescription sutures for my kits, or will these suffice since my use-case is emergency and not full on clinical surgery?

Here's the link to the suture pack I bought FYI: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07BHL4BKN

I do have a 3M coban self adhesive wrap in the kit, alongside the ace wrap. Both fit in just fine, wrapped more as a 2" x 5" flat-ish sheet than as a roll. Depending on how bulky the SAM splint is, I might swap it over the ace wrap per your advice if it fits.

I went with the North American Rescue chest seals (Amazon link: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01M9C9BSX), which look to be pretty comparable to the Halo ones.

I'll definitely look into the hardware you suggested as well. I have a few extra pen lights I can work in without any trouble.

Hi all

I've been putting together a "universal" first aid kit for my needs - home, car, hunting, camping - that I can rely on. I've been really dissatisfied with off the shelf kits; they seem low value for the price, and there's so much extra empty space in them.

The theory behind my choices and compromises is this: Capable of anything from minor scrapes and headaches to a single gun shot wound - not full-on surgery or long-term care but able to preserve a life until more capable medical help arrives, even miles from population (obviously communication capability is necessary to facilitate such an emergency in hunting/backpacking/camping type situations, but that's not first aid kit equipment).

So, here's my list.

Let me know what you think. I'm particularly interested in feedback from those with general medical and/or actual wilderness/outdoors medical experience. What am I missing? Do the counts/sizes look reasonable? Have I included anything that you think isn't worth the space?

[For pictures, I've asked for feedback on KTOG as well, and they host local pics... https://www.thektog.org/threads/hunting-outdoors-car-home-first-aid-kit-what-would-you-add.275320/]

I have the first kit put together in its entirety for my hunting gear, and assuming no major changes will be building three more.

Some notes:
1. I'm currently getting educated on the safe and skillful use of some of these contents. I'm no EMT, but I am competent and want to be able to actually use all of what I prepare.
2. A significant number of items included can only be found in containers of 20 or 50, etc. Planning multiple kits makes the expense tolerable.
3. The specific counts may likely be adjusted at least for the hunting/camping kits, as the container I'm using is 7.5" x 5.5" x 4" (Link here: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07CPNGF31) and fitting everything inside is a bit of a game of tetris. Hence the <space permitting> notes on a couple of items. Various sized plastic bags help with squeezing the air out and compressing things to fit. Current overall weight is 2lbs 9oz. The original kit listed 230 pcs, but I've got it up to 396 pcs.

Item	Size	Count
Abdominal/stump trauma <space permitting>	N/A	1
Absorbable soucher	2/0	1
Absorbable soucher	3/0	1
Absorbable soucher	4/0	1
Absorbable soucher	5/0	1
Ace wrap <space permitting>	3" x 15'	1
Advil (ibuprophen)	200mg	24
Alcohol pad	N/A	23
Antiseptic pad	N/A	6
Bandaid	Round	10
Bandaid	Finger tip	10
Bandaid	Knuckle	10
Bandaid	Medium	25
Bandaid	Large	25
Bayer (aspirin)	81mg	36
Benzoine swab (bandage adhesive prep)	N/A	4
Chest seal	N/A	2
Cotton ball	Large	8
CPR mask	N/A	1
Disposable tourniquet	N/A	2
Finger condom	Small	4
Finger condom	Medium	4
Finger condom	Large	4
Gauze pad	2" x 2"	8
Gauze pad	3" x 3"	8
Gauze pad	Eye	2
Hemostat	N/A	1
Hydrogen peroxide tube	10ml	1
Iodine swab	N/A	6
Iodine tube	10ml	1
Laminated contents card	N/A	1
Lopromide for diarrhea	2mg	24
Loratadine (allergy)	10mg	30
NaCL cleansing wipe	N/A	6
Neosporin (antibiotic)	0.5 oz tube	1
Nexcare strong hold cloth tape	3/4" x 6 yd	1
Nexcare durable cloth tape	2" x 6 yd	1
Non-absorbable soucher	2/0	1
Non-absorbable soucher	3/0	1
Non-absorbable soucher	4/0	1
Non-absorbable soucher	5/0	1
Qtips	Small	20
Quickclot	3" x 24"	1
Rubber tipped tooth pick	N/A	1
Scissors	N/A	1
Self adhesive wrap	2" x 80"	1
Sterile scalpel	N/A	1
Steri-strip skin closure	1/4" x 3"	5
Steri-strip skin closure	1/2" x 4"	5
Sting relief pad	N/A	7
Tefla non-adhesive gauze	2" x 3"	10
Tefla non-adhesive gauze	3" x 4"	5
Tegaderm windowed bandage	2 3/8" x 2 3/4"	5
Tegaderm windowed bandage	4" x 4 3/4"	5
Tegaderm windowed bandage	6" x 8"	1
Thermal blanket	63" x 82.5"	1
Tweezers	N/A	1
Tylenol (acetaminophen)	500mg	24
Vinyl gloves	Pair	3

Start here for sample muzzle velocities at varying lengths (muzzle energy chart is in a link at the top): http://ballisticsbytheinch.com/10mm.html

Next is the part I couldn't quickly find: a ballistic calculator to determine the rate of velocity/energy drop off over distance for your particular cartridge choice

...

Profit.

Others on the site can sanity check my meme, but I get the impression from bbti that 600 ft lbs at 100 yds is going to be a stretch unless you're loading it really hot.

Hi all

I'm a recent transplant to East Tennessee (about half way between Knoxville and Chattanooga), and was wondering if any other folks on the board would be up for a get together.

The indoor ranges in the area are fine, but I'm looking for opportunities to do some more varied and longer distance shooting than they allow (things like running a milk jug course with my MechTech).

Looking forward to it.

The only .223/5.56 I see in stock online anywhere right now are green tip and/or steel case.

Even with the millions of new gun owners it's incredible to me how fast retail ammo dried up this year.