Semi-auto in 10mm with an arm brace would be pretty cool. Much, much better than those semi-auto AP5's or whatever they're calling the semi-auto only copies of MP5's in 9mm. Back in the late 90's long before I retired I went out to do a walk and talk with a couple of FBI agents at an apartment that was being used to house alien prostitutes (regarding international alien sex trafficking investigation). One of the agents pulled out a 10mm MP5 and the other agent admonished him because it was only a voluntary knock and talk. Pretty cool to actually see one, a real one. My agency never had cool guns like that. It had the collapsible stock if I remember correctly.     

I read this line ....  "The straight-wall design of the 400 Legend cartridge features a rebated rim and is designed to operate effectively in America's rifle, the AR-15." Although it didn't address the issues involved in doing this, I'm guessing this this involves using a different upper receiver chambered for the 10mm Long with a bolt that is designed to chamber and extract that cartridge?

I was never interested in changing the upper receiver out to use 300 blkout. But, the 10mm Long sounds like a much more effective cartridge ballistically, than the 300 blkout and I might be interested in this if it is. Just comes down to the availability of the upper receiver, bolt, magazines, and factory manufactured cartridges (I have zero interest in reloading or using non-factory made ammunition).

5 years ago when I was 62 I started noticing my hands being extremely stiff and painfull to close and open my fingers when I woke up in the mornings. I was afraid that this was arthritis. I started working out with grip strengthening exercise tools from Captains of Crush (just the Trainer model) and after a few days the stiffness and pain went away. Now, every few months and it comes back, but, just for a few hours in the morning and it's gone for several more months. I'm not sure what it is, but, it feels like what people describe as arthritis symptoms.

I remember that VLTOR/Fortis Bren Ten and I was eagerly waiting to pre order one. Then, with no warning they dropped the project and everyone that was part of their forum like a hot rock. They finally gave an explanation that the upper mgmt made that stupid decision to screw everyone that was waiting to make a pre order, just because they didn't want to continue the project to fruition in the last lap after they already made the frames and magazines and were entering assembly. What a stupid business decision. What kind of company does this? Anyway, that killed my interest in ever buying anything made by VLTOR. They are persona non grata in my book.

Since those days I've been buying several 10mm 1911s, namely a Night Hawk Custom Recon Enforcer and three Dan Wesson 1911s. All are outstanding 10mm 1911s. But, they're still no Bren Ten. Back in the early 90s I was detailed to Miami and I went to a gun show there. There was an individual selling a Bren Ten. It was the only one that I have ever seen in person and the ergonomics and feel of that pistol was amazing, like a natural extension of your hand. The trigger was also outstanding. Light, probably about 4 lbs on DA with a short pull length that was super smooth, no grittiness at all.

Last year I came into some money (IRS had a glitch in their computers and they delayed my tax refund for a full year and I received two IRS refunds at about the same time) and I placed an order for a new Luger in 10mm from Lugerman.com. I ordered one in stainless steel. This is part of his .45 ACP Luger project and he offers an upgrade to 10mm. Mine should be completed in a month or two, after a 12 month wait. I'm looking forward to that because I've always felt that the Luger was one of the most ergonomic handguns with a natural pointability like the Bren Ten.   

Thank you for resurrecting the old forum. There's not much out there for 10mm enthusiasts. I look forward to some interesting topics. 

I didn't have to do anything. I lived through the 1994 Assault Weapon/Standard capacity magazine ban. My lessons were learned back then. Only foolish people failed to get what they want/need with that as a guide what democrats do when they are in power. Its the old those who failed to learn from history are bound to repeat it thing.

The real question is, with democrats/communists in control of the House, Senate, the White House, and 99% of the national news media as well as the parochial schools and universities (brainwashing children and young adults) and the military (with plans to brainwash them as well with this current stand down order for ), is this the time that they try and pull off their master plans of a bloodless coup by dumping the Constitution (which they have been doing since the two Kangaroo Court impeachments and the FBI/CIA/DNC/National News media's attempt to remove the president by framing him as a Russian spy) and replacing it with a communist manifesto? 

Looks like Colt will start making quality guns again. Hopefully they will replace their ineffective upper management with people that know what they're doing.   Dan Wesson seems to be flourishing as part of CZ.

Now that is cool! I used to have an AMT Backup in .45 ACP. For such a small handgun the recoil wasn't bad at all with .45 ACP. I didn't like that simple "sight channel" instead of real sights. But, it was OK for short distances like 15 ft., which is adequate for the purpose of having a backup gun. Mine was reliable and I wish that I had kept it. 10mm for a backup gun would be great! 

If I was on a road trip then I would be carrying my EDC pistol on my hip - DW Specialist Commander 10mm - with four spare magazines on my hip (and several boxes of extra ammo in the truck) as well and my Sig 5.56 AR15 pistol with 8 spare 30rd magazines that resides in my truck. So, if some how my EDC pistol was inexplicably destroyed while out of town and I wanted to buy a replacement (it would just be temporary because I have many other pistols at home) I might consider a Colt Delta Elite 10mm or a Kimber 10mm as I have previously owned both in the past. Kimber Custom TLE/RL II being a better pistol than the Colt. As for the AR15 pistol, I'd prefer to replace it with another AR15 pistol like another Sig or perhaps a Colt AR15 pistol if they make them. That Galil Ace 5.56 pistol with arm brace would be another possibility. 

I love my CZ Dan Wesson 1911 10mm pistols. They're high quality. I hope the takeover happens. It can only result in better quality pistols coming out of Colt. That would be a great thing. Especially since I want a brand new Colt Python to accompany my 1995 Colt Python. A brand new CZ Colt Python would be outstanding.

I have no use for I.P.S.C., but, you're right. That Limited Pro does look a lot like the Bren Ten. For that reason it is interesting, in 10mm. I'm not that thrilled about squared trigger guard, but, I wonder what the price for the pistol is as well as individual magazines. I've never been interested in Tanfoglio products, but, this one does look interesting. It may be as close to a Bren Ten as I will ever get.

25 lb spring sounds like your problem. Is that the OEM spring that came installed from the factory? Sounds extra heavy to me for an OEM spring and I have three 10mm 1911 pistols. None of them have 25 lb springs from the factory.

I started out with 1911 pistols back in the 1980's with Colt Combat Commander and then Government models. Later in the late 90's I bought a Kimber, even after reading the horror stories. But, the one that I bought, a Kimber stainless Pro Carry, was good to go out of the box. It was a much better 1911 than any Colt 1911 that I had ever owned. After that I bought several other Kimbers, ending with a Custom TLE/RL II 10mm. It was good to go right out of the box. I read that the issue that Kimbers had were the external extractor models (which they no longer make). I had about 3 Kimbers and not a single issue. If you're looking at a Kimber or the Sig, I'd highly recommend the Kimber Custom TLE/RL II 10mm. Mine was good to go right out of the box and didn't even need any break in period.

Kimbers do have two minor issues. The supplied magazine isn't reliable. I always chucked them and bought Wilson Combat magazines. And, the second issue was the blue finish that Kimber uses is terrible and easily rusts. But, mechanically they are reliable and accurate. The only reason that I no longer have any Kimbers (or Colt 1911's) is because I discovered the much better Dan Wesson series of 10mm 1911 pistols. And my EDC is a Night Hawk Custom 10mm. I would have recommended the DW line earlier, but, since you are looking at a Sig 10mm then you probably don't want or have the extra $$$ to spend on a much better, DW 10mm 1911.

The guy said $2,300 without the light rail and over sized magazine release. A light rail and oversized magazine release can't cost $900? Maybe if they were to add this pistol to their lineup and mass produce it, the price could come down. I'd pay up to $2,000 for the one he was holding. But, $2,300 or up to $3,200, I would have to pass.

Quote from: Graybeard on February 03 2020 06:10:15 AM MST
My Custom TLE II 10mm has run perfectly and is stunningly accurate. The other 2 Kimber 19lls I have are the same. Triggers were excellent out of the box, as well. I run the two in .45acp in steel shoots regularly, as stock. I can't remember the last time one of them let me down. Three friends have purchased Kimbers is the last two years and theirs have been perfect, as well.

I do remember talk of a QC issue with Kimbers several years ago. I don't believe that's an issue any longer. FWIW, there were many stories on 1911 forum about problems with Kimbers. Many of those involved people switching out MIM parts on their Kimbers before ever shooting them. Mess up fitting a slide stop, for example, and your problems have nothing to do with Kimber.

I was desperately looking for a Custom Eclipse II in 10mm during the past presidency. I found the TLE II and bought it instead. I would have no hesitation buying that gun.

Back in the early 90's I was a Colt 1911 fan. Then I read about the Kimbers and the "issues" that people had with them and the quality control issues that they had from Kimber blaming the owners for their problems. Later, I came upon an article that stated that those issues were with the Kimber pistols with the external extractors. By that time Kimber had changed all of their models to internal extractors.

Because of the Kimber issues being corrected I decided to buy one. I bought a stainless Kimber Pro Carry. For a comparable price point (compared to Colt Commander) with night sights, the Kimber also came with match barrel, and match trigger right out of the box. And I found it to be a lot more reliable than any brand new in the box Colt that I have ever purchased. Afterward, I bought several others including a TLE/RL II 10mm in blue (because they didn't offer it in stainless). It was a great pistol, except, that Kimber using some cheap bluing that rusts too easily, even if not subjected to moisture.

I learned three things about Kimber. Their 1911's are good quality guns and don't jam like all of the internet BS claims they do, unless you have a 35 year old, external extractor model. Their supplied magazines aren't very good. Dump them and replace them with Wilson Combat magazines. And, their bluing sucks. Have it refinished with a decent bluing or get one of their stainless models.