No not a range gun, I priced a brand-new one, I paid 622.00 out the door and they had to order it. My wife picked it up, I diden't think anything about it as my whole family does business there. I ordered a KKM barrel as it will fit both the gen 3 and 4 Glocks, the gen 3 RSA is about wore out. I doubt the gun would even cycle with that 22# recoil spring that's coming in the mail with the 5gr of 231 behind the berrys 180's. I do love that gen 3 SF and was considering selling it but that's not an option now. If the gen 4 does not perform as good as my gen 3 then well, I dunno. My son said look, Glocks already have a performance record that shows this is a successful platform, don't blame the gun for something this minor. He's the type of guy that would have just reset the sight and went blasting with it. I'll wait on that adapter so I can put the old gen 3 spring in the new gun for the ole lady's loads and if she likes it then its hers. I would like to see what its gonna do with some full house loads! The cosmetic thing does not bother her at all and I simply don't understand that.

Thanks for listening folks, I'll give an update on performance after we burn some powder through it.

DarkCloud

I have a gen 3 20 that I'm VERY happy with. My wife is really good with the 9mm. I loaded some 180gr berrys with 5gr of 231, the slide barley cycles this round with the stock spring setup in the gen 3 and they hit right by her feet.

I suggested getting the glock 20 gen4 and I'll download the 180's with 231 to work her up to the 40 S&W loads and if she wants more then its just a matter of going to #9, powerpistol for the stouter loads. We bought the gen 4 and got it home and the rear site was so badly ms-aligned I took it back the next day and a guy took it in the back and pushed it back to the center. I started to look at this gun very close and there are scratches behind the rear sight and on the side of the gun, more scratches right on the face right beside the barrel and a few on the side of the slide as well. I wiped down the inside of the slide and wow, this slide looks like it has close to 4K rounds through it. My gen 3 slide looks better than the brand-new gen4 on the inside of it, when I say inside of it I mean slide removed and barrel out holding the slide in my hand.

Has anyone ever bought a brand-new Glock with the rear sight misaligned like this? I measured it and it was 17K off, you could tell just by looking at it it was not straight. I have seen quit a few brand-new glocks NIB and not one ever looked this rugged. It's so disappointing I cant explain it. I thought my wife will see what a great gun this is and I'll get to check it out b4 I give up my gen3, but now, I dunno if I want another glock if factory quality has fallen off this much? Honestly, I love Glocks but this has me very concerned.

DarkCloud

Quote from: smirker on October 07 2013 09:17:44 PM MDT
Who is making the 22 and 24 lb. flat wire recoil springs for the G20? Captive or loose flat wire?

I found mine at BrassStacker, seems they are recommended by several folks on the internet. IF ya have a gen 4 be sure to get that adapter for 10 bucks. I bought the stainless recoil rod, 22# flat wound spring and adapter and was 35 georgies for all, free shipping. This way I can use it in my gen3 or gen4 10mm

  DarkCloud

Yeah, I also noticed that nice even function from that barrel also. Well, I've tried a lot of different powders with my 10mm, the longshot powder was very impressive and you did say it meters good. Might give it a go. Nice vodeo BTW. I'll be very interested in what the chrony says.

DarkCloud

I'm so glad that worked out for ya! I've never been a fan of lead but just might get some just because, ya know...My son shoots a LOT of lead and has been trying to get me interested in it so we can go in half's on the materials. Your post has me honestly considering it, thanks for posting this.

DarkCloud

I know what you mean! Its like everyone keeps saying to get another barrel for this but I'm sorry, I can't see whats wrong with the one that came with it, it's extremely accurate and I've had no problems at all with my reloads. When I go to run them through the bulge buster most of them go through with little effort on my part. You can take some rubbing compound to the major trigger parts and then give them a good coat of turtle wax, that will make a BIG difference in making that trigger smooth out for ya. Congrats on the G20SF! I hope you are having just as much fun with yours as I am with mine.

DarkColoud

I have never used a chrony and been reloading for over, well, guessing, 30+ years.
Started with a 30-06 then 38sp then blah blah...Took up some other hobbies and
always come back to reloading. I have always started light then worked up to
just "about" too hot then backed off just enough to get a good load that I
could use with my brass over and over again. I'm happy just to be pulling
the trigger, ya know. A good accurate load that hits consistent is what I'm
after here. I've had to G20SF now just about, maybe, 4 months I guess. Since
getting it the only factory ammo that has been in the gun has been some Corbon
hollow points for home defense mixed with some 8.0gr, PowerPistol under some
Winchester 180gr TC FMJ. I shot 5 of the corbons so I would know what to expect
if I had to use 'em. Corbon puts out some exceptional ammo! I really like it,
however the 1 gallon jugs of water DID NOT like it too much.
Anyways on to the range report here. I always buy the Winchester large pistol
primers, I also got some 500 starline brass from my buddies at MidWay and also
bought my chrony at the same place, and yes its the ProChrono Digital Chronograph
from Competition Electronics. As I said, I "always" buy the WLP primers BUT
couldn't find any at either reloading supply stores that we have here BUT
they had some Federal F150 so that's what I had to use for a while.

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Using 5.6gr W231 - Each charge was hand weighed
Bullet was 180gr Round Shoulder Berry's Plated Bullets - #31646
The manufacturer says Max Velocity 1250 for this projectile.
OAL 1.260 - 1.264 / F150 Prime
Crimp from Lee factory Crimp Die at just 1/2 turn.

High = 958
Low = 908
Average = 933
Ex Spread = 50
St Dev = 15
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Using 9.7 AA #7
Bullet was the same 180gr as above, again each charge was hand weighed.
OAL: Same as above and crimp was the same 1/2 turn. / F150 Prime

High = 1054
Low = 1005
Average = 1036
Ex Spread = 49
St Dev = 15
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Using 7.6 PowerPistol - I use so much of this that I know the measure
is throwing accurate charges.
Bullet was the same 180gr Berry's and still 1/2 turn on Crimp
OAL: 1.265 / F150 Prime

High = 1068
Low = 1016
Average = 1041
Ex Spread = 52
St Dev = 16
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Using 5.5 BullsEye
Bullet was the same 180gr as above, this time Crimp went just over 1/2
turn but not a full 3/4 turn.
OAL: 1.263 to 1.265 / F150 Prime

High - 978
Low = 907
Average = 938
Ex Spread = 71
St Dev = 17
------------------>>Range Report: I have up 1- 10" X 7", 1 - 8" X 8", and plastic
2 - 4" X 5", 3/4" steel plates hanging on chains and 2 plastic
spinners and a big gong plastic target, hardly anyone shoots at the plastic
ones, LOL.

WHAT went wrong with my PowerPistol!!
Also Brass inspection on my PP load had more "After-burn" or had soot
at the very top of the brass. I think at this velocity that powder
should have been performing much better than that?
The BullesEye load was very good and I had no problem hitting the
targets at my 25 yard range, even the 4 X 5 inch targets. BullesEye
powder, I like it but one wrong move with the measure can mean
VERY bad results not only for the shooter but anyone standing near-by.
Also, I've found that it will always just fall short of delivering
the velocity I want, but the performance is always there with it. The
W231 I've found out that it is "Great" for loading - up rounds for my
daughters that hit dead-on with recoil that they can handle so I will
always try and keep some of that on hand for the girls.
-------->>>>>This is getting a little long so I'll cut to the chase
here. I thought I had an ignition problem so I examined my primer
pockets, no problem there, I clean them every-time. My supplier
finally got some Winchester Large Pistol primers and come to find-out
that was my problem, also found-out, with the help on my chrony that
I can back-off my charge and get better performance, accuracy and
save some powder with less wear and tear on my brass!! BTW: that
fricking chrony has NOT failed me one single time to give a reading
and I was actually using it less than 15 minutes after I received it.
Love that AA #7  !
AA #7 proved best for me at 10.1
Bullet was same 180gr Berrys / Just beyond 1/2 turn Lee Factory Crimp Die
OAL: 1.265 / F150 Prime

High = 1070
Low = 1050
Ave = 1060
Ex SP = 20
St Dev = 6
This load was great, had no problems hitting the small steel targets
from standing position on my 25 yard range.

All loads presented were 15 shots, I'm not responsible if you
burn your house down or blow your hand off with these loads. All
loads were shot from stock G20 SF. Nothing modified on this gun
except I took it apart and took some rubbing compound to the major
trigger parts and then gave them a generous coat of turtle wax
to make them as slippery as possible.

I also have more information I found - out since I got my
chrony that will be coming up, I also fixed my PowerPistol
load with Winchester LP Primers which I'll be posting ASAP.
HOW I ever done w/o a chrony, man, wish I would have purchased
one when they were invented, LOL.......

DarkCloud

Found to be innocent by a jury or their piers, this is what we have all agreed to live by, more or less, right? NOW if it was guilty then birds would be singing and flowers would be blooming and they would be giving away cotton-candy and good ole choke-a-cola. BUT, our system says, "Prove-IT" beyond a reasonable doubt and they couldn't even do that. Its like IF it goes our way then its ok but if not then, WELL BURN YOUR HOUSE DOWN! Folks, go home and accept the system you so cheerfully accepted when it was possible to have them thrown in prison for life but instead are stomping around like spoiled brats that didn't get your way, I would think folks are tired of these childish rants! I know I am. Accept it and GO in peace.

    DarkCloud

I truly feel your outrage! This is a VERY late post but I felt it my duty to agree, better late than never. I lost my uncle in Vietnam, he was behind a pair of 50's on River Patrol when they were in a "mutual" exchange and he was hit. As far as I'm concerned its a slap in his face and my whole family as well. Folks, thats not right!

             DarkCloud

Thought I would introduce myself. I'm new to this forum and have pretty much stayed in the background reading forums all over the internet when I wanted to gain more info on anything. I thought is was time I joined a few and get involved. I started reloading in my teens so that puts me at just over 30+ years rolling my own ammo. Some of my guns never saw factory ammunition. So far my reloading has served me very well and not one time have I destroyed my gun and I have all my fingers. This 10mm cartridge is an interesting critter to say the least, I just wish I would considered it a LONG time ago.

Glad to be here and look forward to meeting yall on here

DarkCloud