Crossfire Ammunition?

Intercooler · October 13 2013 10:07:04 AM MDT

They have some interesting 10mm. The 140gr Black Max @1550 FPS (if real) is smoking along!

Anyone have experience with them?

http://crossfireammunition.com/index.php

Intercooler · October 13 2013 10:15:09 AM MDT

Q: What's the idea behind using Black oxide on brass and bullets?

A: Black Oxide is not a plating process. It is formed in a chemical reaction with the metal itself. In ferrous metals you may recall that ferrous oxide is Fe2O3 – rust. Black Oxide with ferrous metals is Fe3O4. Black Oxide combines with the iron atoms on the surface, but does not increase the thickness of the material. With copper, "cupric oxide" is formed when the copper inside the brass or in the bullets is oxidized. This Black Oxide provides a tarnish and scratch resistant finish and will last indefinitely (without abrasion). The local company that does our Black Oxide work also did the same for Olin-Winchester on their Black Talon™ ammunition, and recently the bases of the new 410(3-disk) shells designed for The Judge™.

LeMat · October 13 2013 11:06:21 AM MDT

Oh I see. So I don't have to worry about my bullets becoming tarnished or scratched.

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Bozz10mm · October 13 2013 04:59:27 PM MDT

Quote from: LeMat on October 13 2013 11:06:21 AM MDT
Oh I see. So I don't have to worry about my bullets becoming tarnished or scratched.

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Well, this is what Crossfire Ammunition says about black oxide on their web site.

Brass - Brass knows how to do only one thing over time - It tarnishes & It turns green! When that happens, it will not feed properly in an automatic!

Black Oxide never tarnishes, and its coefficient of friction is lower than nickel or brass, so it feeds like a dream in an automatic. Cleveland Black Oxide, the same company that did the Black Oxide for Olin Winchester's Black Talons, do the Black Oxide Brass for us - and it is awesome! Just look at any 20 year-old Black Talon. You will find that it is just a black and shiny as the day it was made. That shiny black finish is permanent, an awesome feature for those concerned about Long-Term Survival !

LeMat · October 13 2013 05:25:10 PM MDT

Better go tell those boxes of 1946 230 GI Ball I have to hurry up and get tarnished! Purty as the day they were made.

Sorry, my opinion is that its just another marketing ploy by an ammo manufacturer to convince buyers that their ammo is "better".

DM1906 · October 13 2013 06:23:45 PM MDT

Quote from: LeMat on October 13 2013 05:25:10 PM MDT
Better go tell those boxes of 1946 230 GI Ball I have to hurry up and get tarnished! Purty as the day they were made.

Sorry, my opinion is that its just another marketing ploy by an ammo manufacturer to convince buyers that their ammo is "better".

This.

If brass was such a fail, it would have been done differently sometime in the last 150 years. Black looks cool, and may be better to some degree, but at what cost compared to the advantage?

Intercooler · October 13 2013 06:30:26 PM MDT

They want you to buy a case which might not be an option $$$. I'm trying to see what's possible to at least get the Black Max 1550 FPS 140's... and they are ${$default_cool_smiley}$

4949shooter · October 13 2013 06:35:21 PM MDT

For $40 per box of 20 they can keep their black oxide coated bullets.

Intercooler · October 13 2013 07:07:10 PM MDT

WTH... it's neat to have for the collection, on par with Buffalo Bore Barnes pricing, so I ordered my three favorite calibers 10mm, .357 and .44.

Never heard of using Pineapples but...

If it pans out decently I may get the Grenade in 9mm in a future order to see what it's like in Gel.

4949shooter · October 13 2013 07:16:16 PM MDT

Quote from: Intercooler on October 13 2013 07:07:10 PM MDT

If it pans out decently I may get the Grenade in 9mm in a future order to see what it's like in Gel.

That would be cool.

Intercooler · October 13 2013 07:20:32 PM MDT

Does any other MFG make a 140gr all copper in 10mm?

DM1906 · October 13 2013 07:42:12 PM MDT

Quote from: Intercooler on October 13 2013 07:20:32 PM MDT
Does any other MFG make a 140gr all copper in 10mm?

There are 3 or 4 bullet mfg's, but most cartridge mfg's offer Barnes. The General bullet Crossfire uses isn't as good as Barnes, IMO, and I don't like Barnes. I use them because I have to, and I've tried them all. Wishful thinking, but Hornady needs to develop a non-lead line of pistol bullets. Their rifle bullets (GMX and MFX) are better than most of the lead core competitors.

Intercooler · October 13 2013 07:45:47 PM MDT

I thought maybe these were the 140's they are using. Wonder why we only see the 125's (kind of light) and 155's (powder limits) used? If the 140's deliver it could be a good balance!

http://www.natchezss.com/product.cfm?contentID=productDetail&prodID=BX40005

All copper bullets seem to run $1/bullet. Pricey!

DM1906 · October 13 2013 07:53:19 PM MDT

Quote from: Intercooler on October 13 2013 07:45:47 PM MDT
I thought maybe these were the 140's they are using. Wonder why we only see the 125's (kind of light) and 155's (powder limits) used? If the 140's deliver it could be a good balance!

http://www.natchezss.com/product.cfm?contentID=productDetail&prodID=BX40005

All copper bullets seem to run $1/bullet. Pricey!

The 140's are the lesser of the performers, for 10mm anyway. They are OK in .40SW, but only because the 155's are too long. The 125's are short enough to get the velocity up to a respectable energy level. I load them all, and have had them all from subsonic to beyond 2,000 FPS. The 140 gr. doesn't perform as well, under any condition I've used them. They either fail to expand at all, blow up (frag), or turn inside out (around 2150 FPS in water or wetpack). They are designed to perform at subsonic velocities (900-ish), and just don't do well outside of that.

Intercooler · October 13 2013 07:55:55 PM MDT

Chopinbloc will have a copper melt-down testing them all ${$default_shocked_smiley}$