9mm Ammo Factory/Commercial Ammo pulldown

The_Shadow · January 26 2014 04:00:07 PM MST

Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Wolf Military Classic 115gr FMJ
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: 1150 fps
Muzzle Energy: 338 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Tula Cartridge Works TUW – Steel (polymer coated)
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.6110"/Dia. 0.3545": 115 gr. FMJ Bi-Metal (steel & copper)
Actual weight 115.0 grains (concaved exposed lead base) Crimp line 0.3535"
C.O.A.L.: 1.1050"
Primer: Brass color (Berdan)
Case: Diameter 0.3885" Crimp Diameter 0.3765" Length 0.7480"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: ? 231 /HP38 ? 4.8 grains *
(medium irregular flatten ball)

Intercooler · January 26 2014 04:33:34 PM MST

I thought it would be hard to ID something like that.

The_Shadow · January 26 2014 08:09:20 PM MST

Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Ted Nugent 115gr UHP American Defender
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: 1223 fps
Muzzle Energy: 381 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: NUGENT – Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.2560"/Dia. 0.3555":Speer 115 gr. Gold Dot HP Depth 0.1610" / HD dia (tapered) / HP mouth 0.2125"
Actual weight 115.0 grains (concave base) Crimp line 0.3535"
C.O.A.L.: 1.1250"
Primer: Nickel color
Case: Diameter 0.3875" Crimp Diameter 0.3790" Length 0.7480"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: ? Tight Group ? 4.8 grains *
(medium irregular flatten ball)

The_Shadow · January 27 2014 10:08:22 AM MST

Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Priv Partizan Ammo PPU 158 gr FMJ
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity:900 fps
Muzzle Energy: 284 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: PPU - Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.7380"/Dia. 0.3550": FMJ 158gr.
Actual weight 156.8 grains (exposed lead base) crimp line 0.3530"
C.O.A.L.: 1.1515"
Primer: Brass color
Case: Diameter 0.3875" Crimp Diameter 0.3755" Length 0.7510"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: square cut flakes gray color? 4.2 grains (proprietary powder)?
(SIPE) (VihtaVuori N3SH) (VihtaVuori N3SL) ?
Tested by Intercooler 02/01/2014; PPU 158gr FMJ Springfield XD 4" 851, 876, 844, 863, 844. Average = 855.6 FPS/ 257 LBS
Tested by Intercooler 02/01/2014; PPU 158gr FMJ EAA Limited 4.75" 863, 875, 850, 866, 861. Average = 863 FPS/ 261 LBS

The_Shadow · January 27 2014 11:03:54 AM MST

Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Tulammo Brass Maxx 115gr FMJ brass
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: 1150 fps
Muzzle Energy: 338 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Tulammo – Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.6110"/Dia. 0.3550": 115 gr. FMJ
Actual weight 115.0 grains (concaved exposed lead base) Crimp line 0.3535"
C.O.A.L.: 1.1550"
Primer: Brass color
Case: Diameter 0.3870" Crimp Diameter 0.3770" Length 0.7480"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: ? Silhouette ? 5.0 grains *
(medium irregular flatten ball)
Tested by Intercooler 02/01/2014; TulAmmo 115gr FMJ Springfield XD 4" 1196, 1185, 1193, 1176. Average = 1187.5 FPS/ 360 LBS
Tested by Intercooler 02/01/2014; TulAmmo 115gr FMJ Limited 4.75" 1232, 1269, 1280. Average = 1260.33 FPS/ 406 LBS

The_Shadow · January 27 2014 02:19:35 PM MST

Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Fiocchi Extrema 124gr Hornady XTP
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: 1100 fps
Muzzle Energy: 333 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Star Line – Nickel
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.5735"/Dia. 0.3550": Hornady 115gr. XTP
HP depth 0.1375" / HP dia (tapered) / HP mouth 0.2000" six segments
Actual weight 124.0 grains (flat base) crimp line 0.3545"
C.O.A.L.: 1.0880"
Primer: Nickel color
Case: Diameter 0.3865" Crimp Diameter 0.3780" Length 0.7495"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: Power Pistol 5.0 grains

The_Shadow · February 07 2014 01:43:07 PM MST

Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Tulammo 115gr FMJ
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: 1150 fps
Muzzle Energy: 338 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Tulammo – Steel
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.6060"/Dia. 0.3550": 115 gr. FMJ
Actual weight 115.0 grains (concaved exposed lead base) Crimp line 0.3545"
C.O.A.L.: 1.1565"
Primer: Brass color
Case: Diameter 0.3895" Crimp Diameter 0.3765" Length 0.7490"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: ? Vihtavuori 3N37 ? 5.8 grains *
*Possible powders N350, 3N37 (irregular short cut rod)

The_Shadow · February 08 2014 02:45:40 PM MST

Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: ZVS 124gr FMJ
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: 1080 fps
Muzzle Energy: 328 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: ZVS – Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.5970"/Dia. 0.3550": 124 gr. FMJ
Actual weight 124.4 grains (concaved exposed lead base) Crimp line 0.3510"
C.O.A.L.: 1.1590"
Primer: Brass color
Case: Diameter 0.3890" Crimp Diameter 0.3750" Length 0.7490"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: ? ? 5.4 grains *
* (very fine irregular flatten ball with tear drop/rod)(possibly LOVEX D032_04)

edited to show possible LOVEX D032_04 powder

The_Shadow · February 08 2014 03:16:19 PM MST

Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Samson Israel Military Industries IMI 115gr FMJ
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: 1280 fps
Muzzle Energy: 421 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: IMI – Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.5765"/Dia. 0.3550": 115 gr. FMJ
Actual weight 115.2 grains (concaved exposed lead base) Crimp line 0.3540"
C.O.A.L.: 1.1545"
Primer: Brass color
Case: Diameter 0.3885" Crimp Diameter 0.3760" Length 0.7510"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: ? ? 6.4 grains *
* (very fine irregular flatten ball)

The_Shadow · February 08 2014 03:45:46 PM MST

Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Winchester 115gr FMJ
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: 1190 fps
Muzzle Energy: 361 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Winchester WIN – Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.5955"/Dia. 0.3540": 115 gr. FMJ
Actual weight 115.0 grains (concaved exposed lead base) Crimp line 0.3530"
C.O.A.L.: 1.1605"
Primer: Brass color
Case: Diameter 0.3860" Crimp Diameter 0.3760" Length 0.7475"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: ? WSF ? 5.6 grains *
* (fine irregular flatten ball)

Intercooler · February 08 2014 03:55:20 PM MST

It makes sense the IMI rounds are like +P with that powder charge.

The_Shadow · February 08 2014 04:08:01 PM MST

Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Speer 124gr Speer Gold Dot GDHP
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: 1150 fps
Muzzle Energy: 364 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Speer – Nickel
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.5700"/Dia. 0.3555": Speer 124gr. GDHP
HP depth 0.1225 / cavity tapered / HP mouth 0.2215"
Actual weight 126.2 grains (concave base) (black sealer)
C.O.A.L.: 1.1245"
Primer: Nickel color
Case: Diameter 0.3880" Crimp Diameter 0.3760" Length 0.7475"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: ? AA#5 ? 6.2 grains *
* (fine irregular flatten ball)

The_Shadow · February 11 2014 11:54:14 AM MST

I did an updated picture to compare the powder charge found in Underwood's 115 GD and Nosler 124 +P+ where I suspected it was Winchester Auto Comp. I have studied this since IC sent the cartridges for pull-downs on November 21, 2012. It has been tough to find this powder (thanks "O"Communist!), for me to buy out right. But with some people I never met and asking for a favor, looking for a small sample, generous people from the Bayou Shooter's Forum http://www.bayoushooter.com/forums/index.php (mostly local to me) supplied me with my requested sample.

Here is the updated picture comparison of Winchester Auto Comp next to the UW load that I pulled as supplied by IC for "pull-down".

To make for a fair test, the 2 UW rounds I had pulled and hung on to, I replaced the powder with an exact measure of the known Auto Comp sample and put them back together. ONLY thing changed was the powder. I also made an extra round using a ZERO 121 grain bullet loaded over a 6.4 grain sample which should compare to the 124 Nosler +P+ directly.
IC will get to test these on his end when he receives them.

Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Underwood 9mm +P+ 115gr Speer Gold Dot JHP
Ballistics Information: 9mm +P+
Muzzle Velocity: 1400 fps
Muzzle Energy: 501 ft. lbs
Auto Comp 7.0 grains

Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Underwood 124 gr Nosler +P+ JHP
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: 1300 fps
Muzzle Energy: 465 ft. lbs
Auto Comp 6.4 grains

Handloaded 121 gr ZERO +P+ JHP
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: 1300 fps
Muzzle Energy: 453 ft. lbs
Auto Comp 6.4 grains

Looking forward to his report to compare notes! ${$default_grin_smiley}$

Intercooler · February 11 2014 04:29:27 PM MST

Should be interesting!

The_Shadow · February 20 2014 04:08:17 PM MST

Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Buffalo Bore 124 gr +P+ Nosler JHP
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: 1330 fps
Muzzle Energy: 486 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Star Line – Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.5465"/Dia. 0.3550": Nosler 124 gr. JHP
HP depth 0.2000" / HP cavity 0.0980" / HP mouth 0.2000"
Actual weight 124.0 grains (flat base) Crimp line 0.3530"
C.O.A.L.: 1.0560"
Primer: Brass color
Case: Diameter 0.3865" Crimp Diameter 0.3755" Length 0.7500"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: ? Tight Group? 6.2 grains *