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Started by Patriot, July 28 2012 02:48:54 PM MDT

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Patriot

I work for an organization that is one of the premier security companies in the world. Mostly we do undercover loss prevention/shoplifter apprehension, but also a lot of uniformed security work and undercover protection details for celebrities and VIP's. I am the district manager of loss prevention here in the Seattle area.

Company policy requires a 9mm or .40 S&W for carry on duty. However, due to my length of service with the company, my prior law enforcement experience and military time, the owner of the company issued me 3 boxes of 10mm 175 grain Silvertips and authorized me to carry my Witness.

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REDLINE

DANG!  That IS really cool! 8)
Gun Control?  Oh yes, the theory that becoming a victim is somehow morally superior to defending yourself & your family.  Makes perfect sense.

harrygunner


sqlbullet

Very nice of them.  Congrats.

Dakotared

That is awesome 8) wish more would carry the 10mm and get support from their employers, it truly is the most versatile round out there.

pacapcop

Personally i would not carry that gun you posted for self protection or protection of others,esp since it's the baseline Witness.You mentioned the Witness guns you have are not working out so well.No offense,you did bring up your Witness guns were failing.

Patriot

Quote from: pacapcop on July 29 2012 01:08:56 AM MDT
Personally i would not carry that gun you posted for self protection or protection of others,esp since it's the baseline Witness.You mentioned the Witness guns you have are not working out so well.No offense,you did bring up your Witness guns were failing.

I have a match barrel and slide on the way from EAA, hopefully this solves my feed problems. If not I'm switching to a Glock 20.

DM1906

My professional opinion:

If you are carrying on the job, don't use anything but 100% OEM.  If you have to "fix" a weapon to carry it reliably, DON'T carry it.  Your boss (probably) chose the Winchester ST rounds for a reason, which would be consistent with any reasonable department/agency.  Off duty and self/personal defense is one thing.  The professional responsibility for others is completely different.  An aftermarket barrel, or any modifications, in a duty weapon is taboo.  Not only for reliability purposes, but public perception (which is a responsibility by anyone charged with public protection, government or private).  12 people will agree, if you ever have to ask them.
Life's tough. It's tougher if you're stupid. -- The Duke

Patriot

Quote from: DM1906 on July 29 2012 02:14:55 AM MDT
My professional opinion:

If you are carrying on the job, don't use anything but 100% OEM.  If you have to "fix" a weapon to carry it reliably, DON'T carry it.  Your boss (probably) chose the Winchester ST rounds for a reason, which would be consistent with any reasonable department/agency.  Off duty and self/personal defense is one thing.  The professional responsibility for others is completely different.  An aftermarket barrel, or any modifications, in a duty weapon is taboo.  Not only for reliability purposes, but public perception (which is a responsibility by anyone charged with public protection, government or private).  12 people will agree, if you ever have to ask them.
I wouldn't consider what I ordered from EAA "aftermarket." They are merely upgrades, a higher end barrel and slide. These are made by the same company that made the original firearm.

DM1906

Quote from: Grim Reaper on July 29 2012 02:22:33 AM MDT
Quote from: DM1906 on July 29 2012 02:14:55 AM MDT
My professional opinion:

If you are carrying on the job, don't use anything but 100% OEM.  If you have to "fix" a weapon to carry it reliably, DON'T carry it.  Your boss (probably) chose the Winchester ST rounds for a reason, which would be consistent with any reasonable department/agency.  Off duty and self/personal defense is one thing.  The professional responsibility for others is completely different.  An aftermarket barrel, or any modifications, in a duty weapon is taboo.  Not only for reliability purposes, but public perception (which is a responsibility by anyone charged with public protection, government or private).  12 people will agree, if you ever have to ask them.
I wouldn't consider what I ordered from EAA "aftermarket." They are merely upgrades, a higher end barrel and slide. These are made by the same company that made the original firearm.

I understand what you're saying, and don't want to sound like I'm trying to convince you of anything, but.....
Aftermarket is anything the weapon wasn't originally equipped with, that affects the function or ballistics of a weapon.  "Match Grade" is pretty hard to explain.  All of my firearm upgrades are "match grade", in a manner of speaking.  I've been the hot seat, and when questioned about my equipment, "this is what was issued" was an easy answer.  If you are ever in this situation, they WILL ask the question.  Of course, your situation won't be as critical, but it might.  Like I said, just an opinion.
Life's tough. It's tougher if you're stupid. -- The Duke

pacapcop

I have a compact that was a problem with FTF/FTE.It was NIB and same as your fullsize in pic.They replaced slide with older squared off one in black and put in a better barrel.Most of the times it cycles,but not all the time.Verdict,gun not up to snuff,period.My Match on the other hand,it cycles all i put in.I carry it off duty and will qualify with it as well for off duty.Same with the G20.Were allowed to qualify with 2 for off duty.Now,would i use a gun in the Witness line in the capacity of employent and protection buisness,id have to say no.Would it work,more than likely as one will certainly know after useing it.However,time tested and proven till present,work related guns are Glocks,Sigs and my guess S&W as well.Theres a reason for that, they work under extreme stress.

The_Shadow

The Witness is a nice looking and feeling gun, the one pictured has the contured slide... :-\  I just couldn't bring myself to the Witness yet with all of the horror stories...cracked slides, FTF, FTE and the worst was the customer treatment although it has gotten better.  ???

The Glock-29 would be my choice, compact, rugged, reliable and cost effective!  The Pearce +0 base pads for the Magazines would be there to provide better support for the pinky finger.  Spare parts avalible everywhere!  8)

Then with the New 4gen Glock-20 avalible this would be my consideration for the "full-size" 10mm package for all of the reasons mentioned.  ;D

The "10mm" I'm Packin', Has The Bullets Wackin', Smakin' & The Slide is Rackin' & Jackin'!
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REDLINE

Quote from: DM1906 on July 29 2012 02:39:28 AM MDTI've been the hot seat, and when questioned about my equipment, "this is what was issued" was an easy answer.  If you are ever in this situation, they WILL ask the question.  Of course, your situation won't be as critical, but it might.

First let me just say I'm well aware you openly stated what you did as opinion.  I simply want to comment off what you posted regardless.

I think it's important to note that a perfectly truthful answer to a question the opposition asked is not necessarly a negative.  In essence;  Just because you've added or changed something to a firearm you intend to have around for self defense purposes doesn't necessarly equal a negative.

One example;  Many "improvements" to a firearm can be argued to be safer around all involved.  I think this automatic fear that seems to be instilled in so many is based on poor court case examples, that in many cases more than likely also involved poor representation of a lawyer.

An arguement could be made that because someone choose to keep their gun bone-stock, it was a detriment to whatever, compared to "improving" it for various reasons.

Can anything be twisted?  Sure.  But isn't it your lawyer's job to untwist it?  I think so.  I'm not saying don't be afraid to go to extremes.  Then again you could pretty easily argue 99 out of 100 people have with their various black rifle platforms.  It's certainly endless what people change and add to them!  Is nobody ever considering using those for self defense once they've change how they originally showed up brand new in a box?  What about the building their's from the ground up?

I think common sense here could go along way with most mods.  Just my differing opinion.
Gun Control?  Oh yes, the theory that becoming a victim is somehow morally superior to defending yourself & your family.  Makes perfect sense.

Intercooler

I don't think I will ever warm up to a 10mm Glock. Shame  :(

sqlbullet

You never know.  Lots to recommend a Glock.  Give it time. :P