Did Hillary just give the election away

[JMag1]

I don't see background checks from person to person being gun control. I also do not see anyone coming for our guns and if that happened I would be on your side.

They are, and they soon will. Choose wisely, my friends.

[Wolfie]

No one is coming for our guns.

Well scratch that, GOP judges who grant women restraining orders to take their husbands guns away in domestics.

That's what I have been seeing.

And not a peep from the NRA or anyone else.

[DM1906]

I don't see background checks from person to person being gun control. I also do not see anyone coming for our guns and if that happened I would be on your side.

You are drinking the kool-aide they are serving. "They" use buzz-words such as "universal background checks", "gun show loophole", "assault weapon", "high capacity", and "automatic", without a clue (to the constituents) of what they mean. We already have background checks, there is no "gun show loophole, every weapon is an "assault weapon" (not just the scary black ones), their use of "high capacity" is standard factory capacity by any other definition, and any firearm other than a single-shot is "automatic". Every "gun control" candidate wants unconditional confiscation, and have stated as much in their use of the U.K. and Australia as "successful" examples, but they know that's a bridge too far, at this time. It's a progressive process, and they know it. We all know NONE of their "solutions" would have prevented or diminished any of the incident examples they use to sell their policies, but they continue to beat that drum. They rely on the misguided emotional response of the uninformed and/or misinformed voter, and by reading your responses, it seems you are among that count.

[DM1906]

No one is coming for our guns.

Well scratch that, GOP judges who grant women restraining orders to take their husbands guns away in domestics.

That's what I have been seeing.

And not a peep from the NRA or anyone else.

Very narrow-sighted. Any judge may issue a restraining order for domestic violence. It's the liberal laws that allow for firearm confiscation based on that. This is after the fact, and doesn't apply to all restraining orders. Most states only prohibit the purchase of firearms while the RO is in effect. The form 4473 makes a distinction of the types of RO's.  Some states (do I need to list them?) take it further, and allow the confiscation.

[Wolfie]

Of course its liberal laws being passed. (You do know that most Republicans are liberal)

Yet its GOP judges granting them without due process.

[sqlbullet]

No one has presented a cogent argument to me about what requiring a background check on every transaction is going to change with regard to violent crime.

Criminals acquire their guns predominately through straw purchases, which are already illegal.  Or theft, also already illegal.

That is why I oppose them.  Lets focus on things that will reduce violent crime, not something that makes uninformed people feel good.

I don't think they are coming for my guns.  But I think they are wasting my time and money, on several levels.

No offense, but you give the typical swing voter way too much credit for being truly informed as to issues central to our Founders' intent and consistent with the COTUS. These

I consider most independents to be low information, riders of the wave types. No offense to those who are self-described independents.

None taken.  But, your definition of high information does not align with what I said.  I agree they either may not be informed about the founders intent, or the grants of power of the COTUS.  These swing voters are pragmatic...they want solutions that will work, without much concern for the philosophical intent of men who have been dead for 200 years.  T

I am not saying these voters are right, or informed in the way we want them to be, or even if I think they deserve a vote.

These voters, regardless of what they know about 18th century government philosophy, are the guys whose vote the Republicans need if they want to win.  And the current crowd is not going to get any of that vote.

[DM1906]

Of course its liberal laws being passed. (You do know that most Republicans are liberal)

Yet its GOP judges granting them without due process.

Restraining orders are not a subject of due process. They are merely a conditional order that instructs parties to not contact or interfere with each other, during the "due process", or after a conviction. Even TRO's not issued by a judge are the same (I've issued more than a few). It's the 'after the fact' laws that use their issuance to limit other liberties, absent due process. Restraining orders can also allow a victim additional liberties, in many cases, bypassing draconian liberal laws.

[JMag1]

If one cannot identify a better solution than the current POTUS from this group, they have issues beyond not being well informed. The republican field is mostly comprised of smart, capable people. The same cannot be said of the democrats.

[Wolfie]

All the Democrats need is Hillary.

Just wait till Obama hits the 2016 DNC and reminds people of what he inherited and fixed while the GOP plan will be to go back to the same exact policies that ruined the county.

Then Bill introduces the 1st woman ever to run for POTUS.

She is going to destroy any of the class of clowns the GOP are currently running. In order for them to win they need to find a military man or business person who did not hurt anyone.

[Patriot]

All the Democrats need is Hillary.

Just wait till Obama hits the 2016 DNC and reminds people of what he inherited and fixed while the GOP plan will be to go back to the same exact policies that ruined the county.

Then Bill introduces the 1st woman ever to run for POTUS.

She is going to destroy any of the class of clowns the GOP are currently running. In order for them to win they need to find a military man or business person who did not hurt anyone.

As I said, you're probably right. For some reason, democrats are only focused on winning the presidency. It appears to me that democrats in general are into that whole "supreme leader" thing and they are suffering in every other area of politics. They think the president controls everything, like a king or something. If you take a look around the country, democrats are only interested in the top spot. They aren't doing anything else.

While democrats show up in droves for presidential elections, they are getting smashed across the board in congressional elections, governors races and state legislatures. They have a few state strongholds, like ultra liberal New York, California, Hawaii, Washington, Oregon and Nevada. But the rest of the country is rapidly turning red.

Consider this:

Republicans now hold 64% of the state governor positions.
Republicans have total or split control of 76% of state legislatures.
Democrats have lost 913 state legislature seats since 2010.
Republicans have gained 69 seats in the House of Reps and 13 in the senate since 2008.
Democrats have unified control (the governor and state legislative majority) in only 7 states. Republicans have 25 states under unified control.

It doesn't matter if Hillary gets elected. Or Bernie Sanders. Or Kermit the Frog.

Their agenda won't go anywhere. No laws will be passed. A democrat in the oval office will be a lame duck.

[Wolfie]

Republicans control the NYS Senate and a majority of county and local governments as those elections are in odd numbered years. (NYS Republicans are the biggest spenders in NY history just like their federal brothers)

The Democrat voter is just plain lazy when it comes to non presidential years, and the GOP turnout is just a little better to get it done.

As for Hillary being a lame duck we will see, the GOP will need to start delivering or they will be put out soon, I see no love for them either and with demographics going against them, this may be the last GOP "Golden Years." Plus the black guy will be out.

The clock is ticking on the GOP as Senator Graham said the GOP is not generating enough angry white guys. This is where the Democrats win, they think LONG term and in the end liberals always win.

[my_old_glock]

No one is coming for our guns.

Well scratch that, GOP judges who grant women restraining orders to take their husbands guns away in domestics.

That's what I have been seeing.

And not a peep from the NRA or anyone else.

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[Geeman]

I have little faith in the upcoming generation(s). Some of them may have an understanding of some individual issues, but they are still Utopian-Socialists.

This shouldn't be a surprise.  The education system has been slowly indoctrinating the young for decades.  College professors put the icing on the cake.  Since all teachers must get run through the socially engineered college courses to get "licensed", each generation is more leftest than the prior.

Add the stark realities that school systems are hooked on federal funds and they will literally do anything to maintain funding.  The Fed says "jump" and they must.

Greg

[Geeman]

The clock is ticking on the GOP as Senator Graham said the GOP is not generating enough angry white guys. This is where the Democrats win, they think LONG term and in the end liberals always win.

I agree with the "clock ticking" on the GOP, and it's the one positive thing I see in politics today. 

It's ticking because more and more conservatives, more pro-constitution, more libertarians are refusing to be called republican and have moved to "independent".

More and more those that are elected as republicans are tired of the entrenched politics, and have driven out the old guard from positions of power, and cracks are forming in the foundation.  The people are tired of the slide this country is on, and the ONLY transformation is happening on the Republican side.  Dems and power grubbing republicans tried to kill the tea party, but look at the polls for Republican nomination.  Outsiders dominate because the people have had enough.

On the other side, Webb was what the Democrats used to be, and couldn't get past 1% in the polls.  Military service, no help.  Secretary of the Navy, no big deal.  Hero's aren't what is needed in the Democrat party.  Just socialist office holders elected by people that don't seek information.  Just give them free stuff and they will sell their souls.

Greg

[Wolfie]

Geeman you make great points and I will focus on 4 issues.

1. Tea Party, had a chance to be a real player, but they went GOP 100% and the establishment GOP used them to get back in power. McConnell and until recently Boehner, the same exact guys that let Bush run wild are back in power. If they included Ds they would be running the show right now and that racist tint they have does not help at all.

2. Republicans calling themselves Indies and still voting GOP 100% at general elections are still Republicans.

3. Webb, Tester and Manchin are my type of Democrats. I would spend my own money to campaign for Webb. I will not do anything for Hillary.

4. Democrats have been giving away free stuff since the birth of the nation. They gave the Germans, Irish, Jews and Italians "free stuff" and now its a issue when hispanics are getting free stuff. As for the socialist charge no one does that better than the GOP. After all who socialised the losses in the Great Recession after the corporations took all the profits? R E P U B L I C A N S