Did Hillary just give the election away

[Wolfie]

Geeman you make great points and I will focus on 4 issues.

1. Tea Party, had a chance to be a real player, but they went GOP 100% and the establishment GOP used them to get back in power. McConnell and until recently Boehner, the same exact guys that let Bush run wild are back in power. If they included Ds they would be running the show right now and that racist tint they have does not help at all.

2. Republicans calling themselves Indies and still voting GOP 100% at general elections are still Republicans.

3. Webb, Tester and Manchin are my type of Democrats. I would spend my own money to campaign for Webb. I will not do anything for Hillary.

4. Democrats have been giving away free stuff since the birth of the nation. They gave the Germans, Irish, Jews and Italians "free stuff" and now its a issue when hispanics are getting free stuff. As for the socialist charge no one does that better than the GOP. After all who socialised the losses in the Great Recession after the corporations took all the profits? R E P U B L I C A N S

[Geeman]

4. Democrats have been giving away free stuff since the birth of the nation. They gave the Germans, Irish, Jews and Italians "free stuff" and now its a issue when hispanics are getting free stuff. As for the socialist charge no one does that better than the GOP. After all who socialised the losses in the Great Recession after the corporations took all the profits? R E P U B L I C A N S

I didn't know FDR was a Republican.

I would have voted Webb before at least half the bunch the Republicans put up.  I'm not with him on alot of the issues, but at least he is a man of honor.  You don't get much of a chance to vote "D" and not vote massive redistribution very often.

Republican insiders aren't any better.  Rather that redistribution to the poor, its giving big corporations what the want to suck $ out of the people's pockets and jointly hold power over their subjects. 

Pitiful to be honest. 

Greg

[Wolfie]

How did FDR create SS? After the GOP cratered the economy.

How did Obama create the ACA? After the GOP cratered the economy.

Here is a short list of GOP socialist programs the GOP created the last time they were in charge.

1. No Child Left Behind

2. Medicare Advantage

3. Prescription Drugs

4. Nation Building

5. TARP

Difference between the 2, Democrats pay for their programs the GOP does not.

[Geeman]

Difference between the 2, Democrats pay for their programs the GOP does not.

The difference between the 2 of us, I want nothing from government from either party, except for their constitutional responsibilities.  You are paid for, just like the rest of the supporters of the Democrats.

Don't worry.  Eventually the money runs out and the whole thing collapses.  Banks and big business will own the whole thing.... By design.

Greg

[Wolfie]

Geeman, you know who I am and claim I am a freeloader? How do you know?

I have been working since I was 12, joined the Army and recently retired from my law enforcement job. Everything I have I earned, I even saved and bought my house in principle by working side gigs.

Was a Republican still a conservative all my life until Obama.

Lost 200K under the GOP years in investments and made it all back and plus some under Obama.

My sweet 10mm collection happened thanks to President Obama.

PS: The money ran out when the GOP was in absolute charge and said debt does not matter.

[JMag1]

I have little faith in the upcoming generation(s). Some of them may have an understanding of some individual issues, but they are still Utopian-Socialists.

This shouldn't be a surprise.  The education system has been slowly indoctrinating the young for decades.  College professors put the icing on the cake.  Since all teachers must get run through the socially engineered college courses to get "licensed", each generation is more leftest than the prior.

Add the stark realities that school systems are hooked on federal funds and they will literally do anything to maintain funding.  The Fed says "jump" and they must.

Greg

Fairly spot on. Good post!

[Patriot]

Geeman, you know who I am and claim I am a freeloader? How do you know?

I have been working since I was 12, joined the Army and recently retired from my law enforcement job. Everything I have I earned, I even saved and bought my house in principle by working side gigs.

Was a Republican still a conservative all my life until Obama.

Lost 200K under the GOP years in investments and made it all back and plus some under Obama.

My sweet 10mm collection happened thanks to President Obama.

PS: The money ran out when the GOP was in absolute charge and said debt does not matter.

Presidents don't make laws. What does Obama have to do with your investments? He doesn't set policy. He doesn't set interest rates. A president really has no affect on the economy, unless his recommendations get passed through Congress, which hasn't happened because the republicans block everything he's tried.

Obama isn't the commander in chief of wall street.

[Geeman]

Obama isn't the commander in chief of wall street.

A quote from Thomas Jefferson...

I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs.

And the Federal Reserve is not under the control of the government, nor the people.

Greg

[Wolfie]

Presidents do have power over the economy, the GOP wanted the US auto industry to go under Obama saved it. Today its sales are highest since 911.

Energy, the all of the above approach is better than drill baby drill.

Just think how better the economy would have been if the GOP worked with Obama and took the 4-1 deal in favor of the GOP. They refused thinking they would beat him and then got one to one and now a 2 year deal taking debt deals out of the GOPs hand.

Its not a coincidence that more jobs are created during a Democrat presidents reign and its not even close.

[Patriot]

Presidents do have power over the economy, the GOP wanted the US auto industry to go under Obama saved it. Today its sales are highest since 911.

Energy, the all of the above approach is better than drill baby drill.

Just think how better the economy would have been if the GOP worked with Obama and took the 4-1 deal in favor of the GOP. They refused thinking they would beat him and then got one to one and now a 2 year deal taking debt deals out of the GOPs hand.

Its not a coincidence that more jobs are created during a Democrat presidents reign and its not even close.

Once again, it's not the president that makes laws. Obama can thank high job numbers on his Republican Congress, you know, the people that create the laws and regulations, and authorize spending.

Oh, and by the way, George Bush negotiated the auto bail out. Stage one was implemented under George Bush's watch, stage two was implemented under Obama, but was already set in place by Bush. Obama did nothing but put in motion a plan that had already been worked out by a REPUBLICAN congress and REPUBLICAN president.

[Wolfie]

Republicans who broke the economy fixed it.

I love it.

In June 2009, John Boehner sneeringly asked: "Does anyone really believe that politicians and bureaucrats in Washington can successfully steer a multi-national corporation to economic viability?" Other critics went well beyond economic arguments. The day the restructuring of General Motors was announced on March 30, 2009, Rush Limbaugh accused the president of simply wanting to "take over" the auto industry, so that it would "become another industry doing his bidding." As for how the bailout would work out, three months later Limbaugh added: "[Obama's] taking over more of these businesses and running them into the ground at the same time." The critics were having an effect. By June 2009, an NBC/Wall Street Journal poll found that the American people disapproved by a 53 to 39 percent margin of "the federal government providing loans and financial assistance to Chrysler and GM." Romney himself, on the campaign trail in early 2012, also accused the president of playing politics with the bailout, characterizing it as "crony capitalism on a grand scale," and added, "instead of doing the right thing and standing up to union bosses, Mr. Obama rewarded them." Were the critics right?

By September 2012, even Limbaugh himself had flip-flopped. Rather than continuing to bash Obama over the bailout, he found a new tune to sing: It worked, but the credit belongs to George W. Bush alone. "George W. Bush did the auto bailout. Yeah, Obama asked Bush to, but Bush did it. It was already done by the time Obama got there." Bear in mind that in April 2009, Rush had claimed that Chrysler and GM "bent over, [and] grabbed the ankles" because "everybody's scared of Obama." Leaving aside the reprehensible connotations of rape, Limbaugh has the president somehow morphing from an intimidating bully into an essentially uninvolved bystander. Why bring all this up now? This past month, U.S. auto sales reached their highest levels since September 11.

Just wait till the GOP takes credit for Obamacare too.

[Patriot]

This article predates Obama even being in office.

http://www.politico.com/story/2008/12/bush-announces-174-billion-auto-bailout-016740

"In September 2008, the Big Three asked for $50 billion to pay for health care expenses and avoid bankruptcy and ensuing layoffs, and Congress worked out a $25 billion loan. By December, President Bush had agreed to an emergency bailout of $17.4 billion to be distributed by the next administration in January and February."

[Wolfie]

Thats right Patriot thats why the GOP ran against it.

[Wolfie]

Specifically, Barack Obama was right when he acted more aggressively than any recent president to intervene in the running of a major industry. Doing so saved anywhere from two to four million jobs, and saved between $40 and $105 billion in net costs to the American people, according to an analysis done by the Center for Automotive Research. We must publicize and, yes, celebrate that success. We must do so because, despite all the evidence, despite the walk-backs and apologies issued by some who criticized the deal, the boogeyman is still out there. Marco Rubio, now considered by lots of smart people to be "the most likely candidate to win the Republican 2016 presidential nomination," had this to say just a few months ago about what the government did to save the auto industry:

I don't think that was the right way to handle it, but certainly our auto industry is important. Again, it was a problematic approach that the federal government took to doing it. But at the end of the day our industry has to be globally competitive. One of the things that makes them globally competitive ... is having a workforce that can do the work and also having tax policies, regulatory policies that ensures that America continues to be a place where all industries thrive including the auto industry.

[Geeman]

Auto industry wasn't bailed out.

The UAW was bailed out.  GM and Chrysler went bankrupt.  The money saved the union and the bankruptcy screwed the shareholder.  Imagine, the same taxpayer lost money AND had to pay the unions.

Am I the only one that sees a problem with the government choosing the winners and losers?  This was a success story? 

Shareholders screwed over in the bankruptcy, payed taxes to keep the union viable, and now looses more money with the fines handed down due to defective ignition switches.  Should have been jail time.

Its all a game to suck money out of the people's pockets.  Just bend over and take it.

Its worth mentioning that Ford needed no help.

Greg