A final word on Grand Power pistols and it's not good!

[Intercooler]

  As most here know, I seem to always volunteer to be the test mule. In preparation for the 10mm release I purchased a 9mm version K100. Sadly, I'm already regretting the purchase which I haven't even taken delivery of yet (sign the papers tonight). I set out trying to see what I need to do running up the ladder in ammo from fodder, NATO, +P, +P+ and then Underwood,  etc.... in the best forum currently for them: http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=225589&p=2515617#entry2515617

[Intercooler]

  Since posting that it has been a PM and response - fest of don't do it and semi-threats. Nothing unusual from what the Canadian representative has doled out already.

If the 9mm for whatever reason can't be shot with those ammos it's semi-useless to me and I suspect others as well. Heaven help us firing some of the 10mm stuff with no +P rating!!!!

[sqlbullet]

IC, what you need to get is an Arsenal Strike One.  It is a very solid firearms, polymer framed.  No one has any heartburn about running +p+ in the gun.  I have "one of those guys" as a friend.  You know, eats, drinks and deficates John Moses Browning and 45 ACP.  The Strike One made it's way into his cadre of handguns, and he likes it so much he is campaigning for a compact version he could *GASP* carry.

If I were to choose a gun to get in 10mm, it would be the Strike One.  And I might get one in 9mm as it is a pretty sweet gun.

[Intercooler]

 What do you or anyone else think about the responses there? It's like talking out of both corners of your mouth and not owning either.

[sqlbullet]

They clearly don't want to stand behind their product with +p+ ammo.  I would sell the gun and move on to one made by a company that is willing to stand behind their product.

[Intercooler]

You're thinking like me! As a 10mm community what should be our view about the future 10mm offering?

[sqlbullet]

I think there are some significant gaps in the 10mm offerings currently on the market.

I would love to see a truly compact 10mm that runs and is highly concealable.  The reality is my G29 doesn't conceal a ton better than my G20.  The issue is thickness.  I think the market would respond well to a G43 style single stack in 10mm.

There are plenty of "target/hunting" options for 10mm.

Some additional players in the high capacity service pistol category would be welcome.

Finally, while I love my G29, it is the ONLY player in the compact space that runs well enough to bet my life on.  A CCO sized 1911 in 10mm that was dead nuts reliable would be great.  A wide body CCO sized gun would also be great.

For new design, I like the idea of a Strike One in 10mm.  Solid design, low bore axis, all the advantages of the Glock platform but not a Glock.  I think it could be a real option for the gun of tomorrow.

[Intercooler]

What I meant was should we take off of this 9mm fiasco concerning ammos in the Grand Power's 10mm version?

[sqlbullet]

Pretty clear they are gonna waffle about what the platform will withstand.

But, then again, so does EAA, and yet the Witness guns are tanks as you know.

[Intercooler]

 That's not good news for that new 10mm waiting on the ATF! Even if I don't shoot that stuff someone will. If something happens the shock - wave will be strong on the Internet gun forums.

[The_Shadow]

It will be something to keep abreast of as they start to roll out into the market place here or overseas...

[Intercooler]

We found at least one frame and barrel issues with a heat treatment problem. I'm hoping this newer frame and better heat treatment has cured those.

[will965]

I would love a cz-75ish 10mm...I think it's a strong platform, its loved by 1 and all and it's a strong when shooting any ammunition.. I think cz could pull it off and not charge the common man $1200.00 for an overpriced German 8 round holding turd!.... At least that's my 10mm dream

[Bruno747]

Given the way we have been led around, I think it's clear what to expect from the 10mm should it ever actually become available in anything more than comments by our area rep.

These 10mm will have issues and it will take an act of God to get it fixed. Grand power corporate is fine with the way our area Rep represents himself and grand power. That in itself tells me it's not a company to give money to. 10mm offering or not.

Thanks to the one that tested this as it gave final confirmation of what I suspected already. If these were as good as grand power claimed, they would have been here for years out of sheer demand. More reputable importers would have been all over these.

Hearing that canuck was giving you borderline threats seems like a reason to contact corporate grand power and let them know.

As another thought, despite constantly hearing how these 9mm are selling like hotcakes, I have yet to see many reviews online.

Long post short, goodbye grand power. Going to go with a reputable company for any future firearm purchase.

[sqlbullet]

will965, I think the Witness line fits the bill for a Cz-75ish 10mm.  Unless you are saying you want the CZ brand.